Current The Western Australian Current Trials Thread

[_Mike_]

This thread has been started to provide users with the ability to discuss current prominent crimes pending or on trial before the WA Courts. Please keep in mind that any discussion of material, names and/or evidence protected by suppression orders cannot be mentioned here for legal reasons.

Without digressing to the levels seen in "other threads", the purpose of this thread is to allow reasonable discussion on crimes/trials before the Courts without the innuendo, nonsense, slander, stalking and thread derailing that has gone on previously.

Under no circumstances are users to post links to external forums. Media News Publications are approved & leave the conspiracy theories out.

I think you'll know exactly what the intentions are of this thread and it will be followed closely and shut down if it escalates as the last few threads did

 

[GreyCrow]

There is a significant court appearance tomorrow. What would an approximate time be or would it be in the general callover?

 

[Moonwatcher]

http://www.news.com.au/national/cou...t/news-story/6d3d0514998ce800dab1751f64164572

Registrar Whitbread adjourned the case to March 29 after a brief submission by prosecutors.

 

[Moonwatcher]

http://www.news.com.au/national/wes...l/news-story/a5962b247f8e5ba7236c0314b26bee92

Looks like his step daughter is visiting Bradley Edwards in jail as he awaits trial as the alleged CSK.

 

[Fish breath]

http://www.news.com.au/national/wes...l/news-story/a5962b247f8e5ba7236c0314b26bee92

Looks like his step daughter is visiting Bradley Edwards in jail as he awaits trial as the alleged CSK.

Nothing on the former wives on this front? http://www.smh.com.au/wa-news/accused-claremont-serial-killer-to-front-court-20170124-gty0sw.html I wonder if that's telling?

 

[Kurve]

This is very interesting.

"It's not over yet." Acting Commissioner sounds warning on unsolved cases.

http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/i...s-after-claremont-arrest-20170126-gtz69a.html

 

[Fish breath]

Hiding in plain sight... There are some obvious problems here but I think the police are on the right track - particularly in respect of SS. http://www.news.com.au/national/wes...e/news-story/851335ddc39172efce0bd09a4c6fe31e

 

[Dan Baker]

Its a big case. Dont be surprised if the next hearing is met with another 8 week ajournment to collate evidence as the prosecution builds the case.
Prosecution isnt going to give the defence their case in a shoebox.
Its an extremely complex case and there could be two further ajournments before a plea of Im going to guess not guilty unless the silk turns to him and says "You're #$/^&@"
Sarah has been left out of it because the prosecution doesnt want holes in the prosecution.
Prosecution does like to leave another whammy for when a prisoner has done their time and thinks they are home free.
If they are in prison, they are in prison and police can gather further evidence in the meantime.
Leaving Sarah out of it means they can lay further charges that the defence doesnt see.
Someone gets to sit more time. Either that or there is another perp that has been playing tag team.

 

[Dan Baker]

"It's not over yet." Acting Commissioner sounds warning on unsolved cases.

Maybe we can read too much into comments but I dare say more evidence is flowing in as we speak.
Police and prosecution are busy getting their heads around the further evidence.

 

[Dan Baker]

Im going with the Claremont victims tied, gagged and laid on the back seat.
Apparently the discovered victims were heavily intoxicated according police which is surprising when Ciara was only in the pub 15 minutes celebrating St Patricks day.
Its odd a lawyer pissed out her mind attempt to walk 5 kilometres to her parents house.

 

[Perth gal]

Im going with the Claremont victims tied, gagged and laid on the back seat.
Apparently the discovered victims were heavily intoxicated according police which is surprising when Ciara was only in the pub 15 minutes celebrating St Patricks day.
Its odd a lawyer pissed out her mind attempt to walk 5 kilometres to her parents house.

She had been in the city earlier having after work drinks. When you're drunk you feel invincible.

 

[GreyCrow]

Just a reminder

Under no circumstances are users to post links to external forums. Media News Publications are approved & leave the conspiracy theories out.

 

[Perth gal]

Im going with the parties the victims were with prior told police that they felt their friends were anebriated.
I dont feel invincible when Im pissed. I feel vulnerable. Loss of coordination.
Ciaras mother had said Ciara was extremely tired before she went out, exhausted even.
Ciara only went out because it was StPatrick celebrations.

Being drunk though you feel less inhibited and your judgement is impaired. She probably thought it was quicker and safer to walk rather than wait for a taxi.

 

[Dan Baker]

No doubt police feel there is other victims and possibly an accomplice.
I guess its easy to over analyse a statement.
Amazing the media are so quiet. No doubt there are suppression orders in place until there is a plea.
Looking forward to hearing court evidence and how the case plays out.
It appears many cars sold after 2012 and other licenced assets.

This is very interesting.

"It's not over yet." Acting Commissioner sounds warning on unsolved cases.

http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/i...s-after-claremont-arrest-20170126-gtz69a.html

 

[FrankGrimes]

Weren't 2 of the bodies found..?
Think if he used a stun gun it would leave marks or similar.

 

[Kurve]

Weren't 2 of the bodies found..?
Think if he used a stun gun it would leave marks or similar.

Stuns don't always leave marks if contact is over clothing, I've seen the prong marks on bare skin but they're not really noticeable and the bodies weren't found for weeks. The girls looked tidy and well maintained, I imagine them with nails and being left with some of him under them but maybe that's where they've got the DNA from. Someone at his work might remember him coming in with scratches on his face.

 

[Kurve]

A cattle prod is similar but I have a feeling it was cable used to strangulate inside the car then similar methods used in other crime such as karrakatta to restrain and lay them on the back seat.

He was moonlighting as a web guy using pre design web templates and content management systems.
He might have done some network courses at TAFE or UNI

• serial killers usually premeditate their crimes, frequently fantasising and planning with detail, including the specific victim (Ressler, Burgess & Douglas 1988)

• serial killers are likely to use similar event locations (but different physical locations) for their crimes, move the body from one location to another and dispose of the body in remote locations (Kraemer, Lord & Heilbrun 2004).

• serial killers most commonly use strangulation or beating as a means of killing (Kraemer, Lord & Heilbrun 2004)

http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/current series/tandi/341-360/tandi346.html

ps. Equally there has been a transition of coaxial cable to cat 5 and fibre.
He may have been a coax specialist but electronics engineer I doubt.

Yeah I think he might have done a few courses to keep up with technology, heard somewhere else he was promoted to engineer a few years ago.

The acting Commish warned of mistakes made by the investigators, I'm looking forward to finding out exactly what they were. If there's no trial, they'll probably be exposed in a documentary or someone will get a Walkley.

 

[Fish breath]

I wanna congratulate the police & their capacity to withhold the manner of death. I'm sure more info will become clear during the trial but it does render difficult discussions about whether there were ropes & stun guns difficult - if not fruitless. I still get to the question of why the girls went with him. I assume it was voluntary because public case and high risk of being seen. They get in the car, they chat away, they drive a ways, think they're on their way home & then he attacks. Just a theory. I think he kills them at home. Whatever he does requires privacy. Then he disposes of them. Not sure, of course, but the police going through all the homes is consistent with that. Of course, they are looking for dna & trophies, but the digging up the back yard suggests they are looking for SS & other bodies. (I apologise for the length of this post)

 

[Dan Baker]

Kerry Turner got in a car and wss found dead up near canning dam.
Kerry Turner apparently entered a vehicle on the intersection of Shepperton Hwy and Miller
Anyone have a coroners report of how Kerry Turner was murdered?
There appears no detail to how Kerry was murdered. Method?
It could draw a parallel to how others may have been murdered getting in car.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-06-28/kerry-turner-family-plead-for-help-25-years-after-perth-murder/7549252?pfmredir=sm&site=perth

Four weeks after she disappeared, Kerry’s body was found in bushland near Canning Dam, some 40km away. She had been murdered.

Found 4 weeks later would have lots of evidence you would think.

 

[GreyCrow]

Many people have been murdered by getting into cars. Kerry Turner is one of them. I hope one day there is a breakthrough in this case for her family more than anything. It seems the police have a fair idea of who murdered her but the connection of evidence isn't enough. The police need someone to break the silence.

From a similar link

Perth Acting Superintendent Peter Branchi said police believed there were people who knew what happened to Kerry and urged them to call Crime Stoppers.

“Over time allegiances change, people change and circumstances change, and someone who may have felt intimidated or uncomfortable sharing information with police back in the 1990s may now be in a position to do so,” he said.

This is code for ''we know who did it we just want someone to talk''

 

[Dan Baker]

Interesting Kerry Turners parents want it checked in light of recent arrest if there is any connection with the current POI.

She was a daycare worker like Jane Rimmer. Interesting police mention potential intimidation. Police obviously feel others have knowledge of the crime. 4 weeks police must have evidence still around. How is there not any DNA evidence?

 

[patsmith]

The burning question for those who have followed this case closely is this; how did he get them in the car?

It seems as though he has a perfect success rate, and while it was late at night it wasn't as if the streets were empty. Go to any nightclub district around the world at that time of night and you will see plenty of stragglers making their way home. This is especially the case on a busy night like Australia Day or St Patricks Day, and probably more so in an area like Claremont where most patrons live relatively locally.

To force a girl into a car in these circumstances is a huge risk, but we know that this was the MO in the Karrakatta rape. Rowe Park is a little way out of the action, and quite poorly lit, but why would he change his strike point to Stirling Highway? It's completely understandable that the cops were looking at taxi drivers etc, because it seems like the girls got in his vehicle without fuss (obviously we're assuming there was a vehicle involved, which seems fairly safe to do).

These questions will be peripheral though if the DNA evidence is sound. Maybe he felt that the Rowe Park/Karrakatta strategy was too risky (who knows, perhaps someone nearly disturbed him?) and changed his methods accordingly. But then why stay in Claremont? Why go from a straight-up blitz attack to something clearly more nuanced?

So many questions! Big thanks to the mods for giving us a place to discuss this case again. If you're feeling particularly crazy and want to post about cross-dressing, roid-raging footballer impersonators, just write it on a piece of paper and throw it in the bin.

 

[Kurve]

I don't really want to talk about cross-dressers but the police were particular in questioning a suspect's brother as to whether he'd seen said suspect in womens clothes. And I won't be mentioning it again, if nobody else does.

I agree, particularly for womens safety in the future it's important we find out how he got them in the car. If we can. I believe the Karrakatta rape victim had no warning (I can't supply a link for this atm), she was blitzed but can't remember much of it until she woke in the back of a van. I have suspicions, it's possible he used a stun gun which may explain it, they can cause short term memory loss and unconsciousness. Not much chance against them.

 

[patsmith]

I've never seen any mention of his brother being questioned about that, and I reckon I've read nearly every article written on this case. Nor do I recall the Karrakatta rape being reported on in such detail.

I agree that a stun gun is one possibility, especially for Karrakatta, but how would he have done it with the other three? It's a ridiculously risky strategy if they're anywhere near Stirling Highway. Maybe he did it once they were in the car, but that still doesn't answer the burning question.

EDIT: Just realised, were you referring to LW's brother? I think that was more in regards to any paraphilic tendencies rather than an implication of disguise. Probably just seeing if he had any strange sexual tendencies.

 

[Fish breath]

The burning question for those who have followed this case closely is this; how did he get them in the car?

It seems as though he has a perfect success rate, and while it was late at night it wasn't as if the streets were empty. Go to any nightclub district around the world at that time of night and you will see plenty of stragglers making their way home. This is especially the case on a busy night like Australia Day or St Patricks Day, and probably more so in an area like Claremont where most patrons live relatively locally.

To force a girl into a car in these circumstances is a huge risk, but we know that this was the MO in the Karrakatta rape. Rowe Park is a little way out of the action, and quite poorly lit, but why would he change his strike point to Stirling Highway? It's completely understandable that the cops were looking at taxi drivers etc, because it seems like the girls got in his vehicle without fuss (obviously we're assuming there was a vehicle involved, which seems fairly safe to do).

These questions will be peripheral though if the DNA evidence is sound. Maybe he felt that the Rowe Park/Karrakatta strategy was too risky (who knows, perhaps someone nearly disturbed him?) and changed his methods accordingly. But then why stay in Claremont? Why go from a straight-up blitz attack to something clearly more nuanced?

So many questions! Big thanks to the mods for giving us a place to discuss this case again. If you're feeling particularly crazy and want to post about cross-dressing, roid-raging footballer impersonators, just write it on a piece of paper and throw it in the bin.

A very informed and considered post. Thanks!