Tigers coach 09 and beyond

[Tigertom]

I would like to see the board fulfil TW’s contract until end of 09, but if results are required and TW keeps playing older players in front of younger ones in order to produce wins then what's the point. He may as well go early.


TW has shown some improvement this year however he is "under the pump" so to speak and if the board was to replace him at the end of this season we could do far worse than Choco Williams if he were available.

The board owes tiger members and fans some results. Not promises that don't eventuate.

 

[sante]

Wallace has to stay on.

 

[darcytiger]

I rekon persist with the Tanned Man. TBH, what has he done wrong? Playing a few experianced players (Hyde, Tivendale) who were dominating VFL as apposed to Rance, Collins, Conners ect. who have been good without being great. He did this when our year is still in the balance. Fair enough play the young un's when finals are out of the picture but we have been a real sniff for a while now and to have experiance instead of youth is fine.

Lets see what Terry can do with a competitive list. Lay off the bloke

 

[THE_GUN]

we know have 2 wins in a row , with the potentiall to win the next 3 mabe 4 games .

how can we sack a guy who has or might acheive 9 or so wins this year
he will be our coach for 2009 & lets see where we are at the end of next year before we start to think about a replacement for wallace.

 

[kainokaino]

terry wallace is doing things very smart imo,
even though some of the players in our team over the last few weeks wont be apart of our future, wallace is sending a message to the kids that there not going to get games undeservingly and that they have to earn there spot in the team week in week out.

Its good that we have players like hyde and tivendale on the list, even though most of us on here dislike them as players they add depth to the side, the younger players know that if they play poorly that wallace isnt afraid to drop them, which is good because at the end of the day its going to have the kids working harder for a spot in the team and realising that its not going to come easy.

Hughes is a perfect example of this

 

[foley4brownlow]

i duno what to make of wallace 1 week we hate him and are calling for his head and then the next we wont to persist with him

 

[TigerBabe]

Sign Terry beyond 2009.

He is a good coach.

 

[Ancient Tiger]

Where is Terry Tan when you need a cool and calculated opinion?

 

[Strawbs]

Wallace has to stay on.

Yep.

 

[JSFish]

Yep.

Yep also. Why would we sack him? Clearly taking us somewhere.

 

[nut]

terry wallace is doing things very smart imo,
even though some of the players in our team over the last few weeks wont be apart of our future, wallace is sending a message to the kids that there not going to get games undeservingly and that they have to earn there spot in the team week in week out.

Its good that we have players like hyde and tivendale on the list, even though most of us on here dislike them as players they add depth to the side, the younger players know that if they play poorly that wallace isnt afraid to drop them, which is good because at the end of the day its going to have the kids working harder for a spot in the team and realising that its not going to come easy.

Hughes is a perfect example of this

 

[sante]

Yep also. Why would we sack him? Clearly taking us somewhere.

Bullshit, didn't we say this a fortnight ago, JSFish?

 

[chrisjie]

If a supercoach becomes available like Malthouse, Eade or possibly Mark Williams you would have to entertain the idea.

If we finish off the season strong, then yes you keep him around for 09. But I wouldn't go around signing extensions right now.

 

[JSFish]

Bullshit, didn't we say this a fortnight ago, JSFish?

Look out Brian Royal and Jade Rawlings.

 

[Tigertom]

i duno what to make of wallace 1 week we hate him and are calling for his head and then the next we wont to persist with him

One week he is under pressure to bring results, so he brings back Tivendale, Hyde etc and we get pummelled. Everyone calls for his head?

Yes he has won two games in a row (just fell across the line in both) and yes we have a couple of easy games ahead so if we don’t beat the Blues, Bombers, Eagles and Demons will everyone still back him?

Lets not forget the games against the Dogs and Saints that we should have won, the second half fade out against the crows. These are all game plan and confidence related.

Don’t get me wrong I support Wallace and I think we owe it to him to see out his contract and maybe an extension but, if everyone wants results and TW has to change his plan or structure to get “a few wins” in the short term then we may as well look for another coach (like Chocco) to move us forward in 09 and beyond.

I look forward to watching him tonight on Footy Classified.

 

[genghiskhan]

You need to assess Wallace over the full five years not after two close win against bottom teams. So far, things are not looking good.

1) Not in the top 8 for 3.5 years despite recruiting read-made players such as Knoble, P. Bowden, Polak, Graham, Simmonds, Brown, McMahon and Morton.

2) Almost no media appeal. The problem with trying to spin, as Wallace did in the past, was that you lose credibility. I don't think Wallace could ever regain that trust now. Even if he is honest and above board, everyone will always be suspicious.

Wallace has got 1.5 seasons to make up for 3.5 seasons of failure. It wont be easy but it is possible. If he was a seasoned player who failed for 3.5 seasons then strung a couple of good games together would you keep him? Maybe yes, maybe no.

 

[Truetiger]

You need to assess Wallace over the full five years not after two close win against bottom teams. So far, things are not looking good.

1) Not in the top 8 for 3.5 years despite recruiting read-made players such as Knoble, P. Bowden, Polak, Graham, Simmonds, Brown, McMahon and Morton.

2) Almost no media appeal. The problem with trying to spin, as Wallace did in the past, was that you lose credibility. I don't think Wallace could ever regain that trust now. Even if he is honest and above board, everyone will always be suspicious.

Wallace has got 1.5 seasons to make up for 3.5 seasons of failure. It wont be easy but it is possible. If he was a seasoned player who failed for 3.5 seasons then strung a couple of good games together would you keep him? Maybe yes, maybe no.

Disagree with all your points. Seriously he took over the worst list a side could ever have in 150years. He said from the moment he got there it will take 5 years. So pfft to your comments. Dont think Terry Coached Knobel so get ur facts right

 

[Captain_Brown_7]

terry wallace is doing things very smart imo,
even though some of the players in our team over the last few weeks wont be apart of our future, wallace is sending a message to the kids that there not going to get games undeservingly and that they have to earn there spot in the team week in week out.

Its good that we have players like hyde and tivendale on the list, even though most of us on here dislike them as players they add depth to the side, the younger players know that if they play poorly that wallace isnt afraid to drop them, which is good because at the end of the day its going to have the kids working harder for a spot in the team and realising that its not going to come easy.

Hughes is a perfect example of this

Great post

Terry Wallace must and WILL stay on as coach. To suggest anything else is a leap backwards.

 

[telsor]

I would like to see the board fulfil TW’s contract until end of 09, but if results are required and TW keeps playing older players in front of younger ones in order to produce wins then what's the point. He may as well go early.


TW has shown some improvement this year however he is "under the pump" so to speak and if the board was to replace him at the end of this season we could do far worse than Choco Williams if he were available.

The board owes tiger members and fans some results. Not promises that don't eventuate.

So...Your argument is that if the coach doesn't feel he has the confidence of the board, he might take short term choices, and to avoid this, we need to sack him now.

Well, that kind of thinking is bound to inspire confidence in both this coach and those who follow him.

 

[tigers_of_old_08]

You need to assess Wallace over the full five years not after two close win against bottom teams. So far, things are not looking good.

1) Not in the top 8 for 3.5 years despite recruiting read-made players such as Knoble, P. Bowden, Polak, Graham, Simmonds, Brown, McMahon and Morton.

2) Almost no media appeal. The problem with trying to spin, as Wallace did in the past, was that you lose credibility. I don't think Wallace could ever regain that trust now. Even if he is honest and above board, everyone will always be suspicious.

Wallace has got 1.5 seasons to make up for 3.5 seasons of failure. It wont be easy but it is possible. If he was a seasoned player who failed for 3.5 seasons then strung a couple of good games together would you keep him? Maybe yes, maybe no.

IMO an over-simplified analysis - if you could call it that. The club was a mess when he came onboard and in the red. What could he have done differently with the resources available? Sack more players? Employ a different game plan? Be tougher & more demanding on a young playing group? Employ a clairvoyant to help with draft picks?

We are moving forward but it appears not fast enough for some supporters. Not enough wins for others. I agree he's not perfect, but I suspect there's a lot that goes on within the club which we know nothing about also.

So for now, I'm happy to continue to back Wallace because he's playing youth and trying to build a team for finals action, and lets face it, he's approach to fixing the playing group has been the most comprehensive we've seen for a long time at Tigerland.

Keep him.

Go Tigers

 

[genghiskhan]

Disagree with all your points. Seriously he took over the worst list a side could ever have in 150years. He said from the moment he got there it will take 5 years. So pfft to your comments. Dont think Terry Coached Knobel so get ur facts right

The side was almost good enough to make finals in Terry's first year so it couldn't have been that bad. I know he said it was a bad list. Of course, he wouldn't have looked good if he said it was a great list and he didn't take them to the finals.

Personally, I could never see the benefit of Wallace standing before the players and telling them that they were rubbish. It is not exactly the best way to build their confidence. The only benefit I can see coming out of that strategy is making Wallace's achievements seem greater. "Look at me, I've taken rubbish players and turned them into stars." Not a team player is our Wallace.

 

[Tivers]

I look forward to watching him tonight on Footy Classified.

Got excited for a sec. Automatically read it as On The Couch........
They will have to put a plastic cover on Caroline's chair !!!

 

[genghiskhan]

IMO an over-simplified analysis - if you could call it that. The club was a mess when he came onboard and in the red. What could he have done differently with the resources available? Sack more players? Employ a different game plan? Be tougher & more demanding on a young playing group? Employ a clairvoyant to help with draft picks?

We are moving forward but it appears not fast enough for some supporters. Not enough wins for others. I agree he's not perfect, but I suspect there's a lot that goes on within the club which we know nothing about also.

So for now, I'm happy to continue to back Wallace because he's playing youth and trying to build a team for finals action, and lets face it, he's approach to fixing the playing group has been the most comprehensive we've seen for a long time at Tigerland.

Keep him.

Go Tigers

What could have been done differently? He could have tried to build the players confidence instead of telling them that they were garbage. As well as helping the players, it would have helped address the culture of criticism amongst fans. How do you expect fans not to be critical when Wallace comes in and sets the standard of criticism to begin with.

For most of Frawley's rein, I thought the standard of players was quite good. For most of Wallace's rein, I have thought the same thing. I look at the playing list and think they should be safely in the 8. Definitely it looks like there is more talent on the list than on the Kangaroos or the Swans' lists. So if the players are good, what has gone wrong?

 

[Tigertom]

Disagree with all your points. Seriously he took over the worst list a side could ever have in 150years. He said from the moment he got there it will take 5 years. So pfft to your comments. Dont think Terry Coached Knobel so get ur facts right

Actually knobel played 21 games whilst TW was at the helm. as to whether he coached him or not, well the jury is still out on that one.

 

[waiting since 80]

He wanted 5 years to fix the problem at Tigerland, so lets give it to him, and judge him and Miler after that!...and as i've stated before(about 6 times), he would of had 5 PS drafts, 5 Nat drfts, 5 nov trading week periods, 5 years to implement a game plan!!!

There will be no excuses by then.
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