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OK, as everyone will know we playd the 'BEST' team 'EVER' last night and got walloped by 141 points. I understand the AFC board and coaching panel will be thinking totally different, but I believe the best way of judging your 'list' is by putting it against the best, and as was shown we have got a dozen or so players that are and never will be AFL football players at a regular standard acceptable.

MUST GO:
- Nathan Bock (Looks out of his depth at AFL level)
- Josh Krueger (This bloke is more trouble than he's worth. I don't care what he's done in under 18 level, he is riddled with injuries, very much like Laurence Angwin was, and we CAN'T afford to have players like that on our list.)
- Wayne Carey (Obviously has retired)
- Matthew Clarke (Should really retire)
- Rhett Biglands (Shouldn't be delisted but definitely put him on the table during trade week)
- Scott Stevens (Did NOTHING at Sydney, and it sums up James Fantasia's efforts as RM, perfectly that he got this DUD to Adelaide)
- Ian Perrie (Majorly out of favour, trade him, somebody else will want him, give him the right opportunity and he'll be one hell of a player, Much like Brent Guerra really)
- Mark Stevens (Waste of a space on our list. He has played bloody 5 or so matches in 2 years. Time to develop of CHF)
- Nigel Smart (Already new his time was up)
- Brett Burton (Put him at FF, or trade him. DON'T DELIST)
- Chris Ladhams (GAWN, to inconsistent, no opportunities)
- Matthew Bode (See LADHAMS)
- James Gallagher (See Bode)
- Jacob Schuback (Looks alright, but hasn't done much and is injured, which could well see him delisted.
- Kris Massie (Another piece of 'masterful' recruiting :mad:
- Hayden Skipworth (Has had PLENTY of opportunities, and looks like a little boy in a man's game)
- Ronnie Burns (WILL RETIRE) BAD IDEA TO RECRUIT!
- Robert Shirley (Been at the club for about 3-4 years, and hasn't improved since the first time he played.

NOW THAT'S 18 players, that need to go. Is there some sort of limit to how many we can delist???

KEEP UNLESS ONE HELL OF A TRADE

- Scott Welsh (Future Full forward, providing we don't recruit someone like Alistair Lynch in the hope we can win the 2005 premiership with some 'add ons'
- Nathan Bassett (Real trier. Has been fed to the Dogs by our lack of defensive players. I hear Cooney wants to return home, perhaps we could do a straight swap. Cooney for Bassett, so he can be with his brother???
- Luke Jericho (Football talent = Excellent / Thinking his **** don't stink = Awful.) Yes, Andrew Jarman was talknig about him in Fridays paper.
- Jason Torney (YES he isn't overly young, but he will be vital when rebuilding our defence.)
- Martin Mattner (Good 1st round draft pick and this lad should go)
- Ben Hudson (Looks ok, real hard in an under Ruckman, which are very Rare. Unless we where looking at a young 'proven' ruckman like Jolly from Melbourne then we'd keep him.
- James Begley (Excellent player, but has his price)
- Brent Reilly (See James Begley)
- Michael Doughty (Underrated, 1st round draft pick on offer and he'd go)
- Ben Rutten (Will develop into a good full back, but I can't see him being a Mal Michael)

OBVIOUS UNTOUCHABLES AND MUST KEEPS:
- Andrew McLeod
- Mark Riccuito
- Simon Goodwin
- Ben Hart
- Tyson Stenglein
- Tyson Edwards
- Trent Hentschel (Will play 200 + games for AFC)
- Graham Johncock.
- Fergus Watts

PLAYERS WE MUST FISH FOR IN THE TRADE PERIOD
- ADAM COONEY (Homesick, Having a tough time at the Dogs.)
- DARREN JOLLY (Always overshadowed by Jeff White at Melbourne)
- BRAD OTTENS: (Always wanted to come home, and with a change of scenery, he would almost certainly 'cure' out CHF problems.
- JASON CLOKE: (We hate him because he's Collingwood, but when you strip that away, I reckon he'd go alright sitting at Centre Half back for us.
- DAVID SPRIGGS I get the feeling, he's not well respected at Geelong and is a bit of a party boy. Change of scenery could do him some good. He'd fit into our midfield or on a wing pretty well and is only 23 years old.
- HARRY MILLER: Currently at Hawthorn. Pt Lincoln boy, who is much like Ronnie Burns. Only 19. A project crumbing forward line player.
- DANIEL HARRIS: Would cost a bit, and probably almost untouchable at the Kangaroos. Only 22.
- EDWARD SANSBURY: Very much like Harry Miller. Ideal crumbing pocket player. The Kangaroos appear to have put him in defence a lot this season, but his craft his done up forward.
- MARK JAMAR: Ex North Adelaide player. 3rd string ruckmen at Melbourne at the moment. Good backup for Hudson and Jolly.
- JARED RIVERS: The bloke is an absolute GUN at 19. The key factor here is money. This bloke is almost worth $400,000 a year, and if we throw that sort of money at him. NOW WAY can Melbourne match it.
- CAIN ACKLAND: Would really be doubting his own ability after how he's been treated at the Power. Not a ruckmen. Ideally you'd mould him into a strong hard tall leading forward. But not Ruckman material.
- DAMON WHITE: Only 20, and has the traits of a 'good' forward.
- AARON FIORA May want to return home!!!!! Would be good value if we could get him around Pick 50-70 in the draft. Good player running the lines off half back?
- BRENDON GODDARD: Saints will be stretched for money with Riewoldt, Gehrig etc etc. If they where short of room, paying their youngsters big bucks. I reckon this bloke would get the shove.
- DYLAN PFITZNER Project player. Quick, crumbing forward or even midfielder.
- MITCHELL HAHN There's something about him. He'd go alright on a half forward flank I reckon.
- JORDON MCMAHON: Quick witted, good skills. Would go alright in OUR midfield rotations.


IF WE COULD GET THE MAJORITY OF THOSE PLAYERS EITHER BY TRADING OR DRAFTING, THEN OUR ROUND 1 line up for 2005 could look like this.

Forwards: Graham Johncock - Brad Ottens - Ed Sansbury (Harry Miller)
Half Forwards: Trent Hentscel - Cain Ackland - Fergus Watts
Centre: David Spriggs - Mark Riccuito - Adam Cooney
Half Backs: Andrew McLeod - Jarred Rivers - Ben Hart
Backs: Jordon McMahon - Ben Rutten - Tyson Edwards
RUCKS: Darren Jolly - Simon Goodwin - Tyson Stenglein
INTER: Damon White - Mark Jamar - Daniel Harris - Dylan Pfitzner

Average age: About 24 years of age. It'd be considerably less, but when you've got the likes of Goodwin, Edwards, Hart etc, it goes up a bit, but obviously these players are still good enough to be in our best 22.
 
There's no way we're making list changes that big. 10 changes max, and probably not even that.

And some of those players you've listed are just as likely to be duds as what we've already got.
 
Originally posted by spindoctor
There's no way we're making list changes that big. 10 changes max, and probably not even that.

And some of those players you've listed are just as likely to be duds as what we've already got.
I agree completely.

People are seriously deluded if they think we can make that many changes in 1 year and get better. ITs a 2-3 year process not an overnight process that a lot of people here seem to think.:rolleyes:

And Jasons Cloke?????? Get off the grass he struggles to win a one on one contest. The moment his "3rd man up in a contest" role was taken away from him he has struggled. I am glad you (poptiffscherry) are not on the recruiting panel.:rolleyes:
 

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Originally posted by Stiffy_18
And Jasons Cloke?????? Get off the grass he struggles to win a one on one contest. The moment his "3rd man up in a contest" role was taken away from him he has struggled. I am glad you (poptiffscherry) are not on the recruiting panel.:rolleyes:

Don't tell me you disagree with Cain Ackland at CHF too?! :D
 
Originally posted by poptiffscherry
MUST GO:
- Nathan Bock (Looks out of his depth at AFL level)
Again how many AFL games has he played?????? He has been solid and he is still young. I don't think he ever was or ever will be a forward. To me he is a defender. I see him pretty much as another Nathan Bassett type. Keep.

- Josh Krueger (This bloke is more trouble than he's worth. I don't care what he's done in under 18 level, he is riddled with injuries, very much like Laurence Angwin was, and we CAN'T afford to have players like that on our list.)
Are you aware that if a player is under contract he cannot be delisted unless yo pay out his contract which counts as part of your salary cap?????? Even if we wanted to delist him we can't because this is his 1st AFL contract adn as such he cannot be delisted until it runs out regardless of the salary cap. Please check facts before posting ;)

- Matthew Clarke (Should really retire)
Agree

- Rhett Biglands (Shouldn't be delisted but definitely put him on the table during trade week)
Agree but only if you are getting a ruckman in return

- Scott Stevens (Did NOTHING at Sydney, and it sums up James Fantasia's efforts as RM, perfectly that he got this DUD to Adelaide)
How much do you know about operations of football department?????? Do you know the role of a RM and a football operations manager?????? If you did you would be bagging John Reid rather than James Fantasia. He is contracted so he won't be delisted. Trading him or keeping him are the only options

- Ian Perrie (Majorly out of favour, trade him, somebody else will want him, give him the right opportunity and he'll be one hell of a player, Much like Brent Guerra really)
One hell of a player?????? Solid depth player but not much more. Never going to be a player to build the forward line around or the player to rely on to win a game. Contracted so trading is the only option. As for Guerra comment, you are DREAMING.

- Mark Stevens (Waste of a space on our list. He has played bloody 5 or so matches in 2 years. Time to develop of CHF)
I think its time for Stevo to hang 'em up

- Brett Burton (Put him at FF, or trade him. DON'T DELIST)
Agree 110%

- Chris Ladhams (GAWN, to inconsistent, no opportunities)
Might survive but should go.

- Matthew Bode (See LADHAMS)
Bode will either be traded or kept. He will not be delisted. I would prefer to trade.

- James Gallagher (See Bode)
Delist

- Jacob Schuback (Looks alright, but hasn't done much and is injured, which could well see him delisted.
UNder contract so he will NOT be delisted. Keep.

- Kris Massie (Another piece of 'masterful' recruiting :mad:
Didn't hear you complaining last year or the year before ;). So you would have rather kept Eccles??????

- Hayden Skipworth (Has had PLENTY of opportunities, and looks like a little boy in a man's game)
Delist.

- Ronnie Burns (WILL RETIRE) BAD IDEA TO RECRUIT!
Again what was it we gave up for him?????? He was worth it and I think he has paid it off last year. He was never recruited to be THE player.

- Robert Shirley (Been at the club for about 3-4 years, and hasn't improved since the first time he played.
Agree but he might be kept if we trade Stenglein. We do need a tagger.

NOW THAT'S 18 players, that need to go. Is there some sort of limit to how many we can delist???
No but if you wanted tog et rid off that many tell me how do you plan on replacing them??????


KEEP UNLESS ONE HELL OF A TRADE

- Scott Welsh (Future Full forward, providing we don't recruit someone like Alistair Lynch in the hope we can win the 2005 premiership with some 'add ons'
Too inconcsistent. Trade if possible but most likely keep

- Nathan Bassett (Real trier. Has been fed to the Dogs by our lack of defensive players. I hear Cooney wants to return home, perhaps we could do a straight swap. Cooney for Bassett, so he can be with his brother???
You must be p|ssed of high thats the only explanation I can come up with for thi thread. Scott Bassett is likely to be delisted anyway and do you think Bulldogs would be that stupid to trade a #1 pick from last year's draft for a skinny 3rd tall defender with 3-4 years left in the tank. The ABSOLUTE best you can hope for Bassett is a LATE 2nd round draft pick even then you would be pinching yourself to see if thats really what is on offer. Bassett's trade value is MINIMAL

- Luke Jericho (Football talent = Excellent / Thinking his **** don't stink = Awful.) Yes, Andrew Jarman was talknig about him in Fridays paper.
Talented and has potantial but his attitude is questionalbe.

- Jason Torney (YES he isn't overly young, but he will be vital when rebuilding our defence.)
He is a definite keep. An extremely underrated player and will be vital in rebuilding process.

- Martin Mattner (Good 1st round draft pick and this lad should go)
I am convinced that you are either p|ssed or high. Whoo in their right mind would offer a 1st round pick for Mattner?????? If you are offered a 2nd rounder take it and RUN.

- Ben Hudson (Looks ok, real hard in an under Ruckman, which are very Rare. Unless we where looking at a young 'proven' ruckman like Jolly from Melbourne then we'd keep him.
Keep him. He has shown that there is something to work with there.

- James Begley (Excellent player, but has his price)
The only way he could leave is to go to Port. Ain;t gonna happen. Keep.

- Brent Reilly (See James Begley)
Definite Keep

- Michael Doughty (Underrated, 1st round draft pick on offer and he'd go)
1st Rounder?????? Plase stopp smoking the pot. Again if we are offered a 2nd rounder, take it and run. Not worth much at all.

- Ben Rutten (Will develop into a good full back, but I can't see him being a Mal Michael)
Keep him. We have a FB to work with. Players of that build and ability are hard to find. Something to with with definetly. Keep.


PLAYERS WE MUST FISH FOR IN THE TRADE PERIOD
- ADAM COONEY (Homesick, Having a tough time at the Dogs.)
Will cost and arm and a leg but worth chasing.

- DARREN JOLLY (Always overshadowed by Jeff White at Melbourne)
Now you're talking. Would be a good get. We need to target players that are not getting their opportunities at their current clubs but are clearly good enough to play AFL footy.

- BRAD OTTENS: (Always wanted to come home, and with a change of scenery, he would almost certainly 'cure' out CHF problems.
CHF I am not sure about be he could help us in ruck depatment and sneak down to FF/FP for a rest and kick a couple of goals

- JASON CLOKE: (We hate him because he's Collingwood, but when you strip that away, I reckon he'd go alright sitting at Centre Half back for us.
You're kidding. He can't win a one on one contest to save his life. He is OVERRATED. We have better options on our list.

- DAVID SPRIGGS I get the feeling, he's not well respected at Geelong and is a bit of a party boy. Change of scenery could do him some good. He'd fit into our midfield or on a wing pretty well and is only 23 years old.
Worth considering. Probably would be better off considering Corey Enright

- HARRY MILLER: Currently at Hawthorn. Pt Lincoln boy, who is much like Ronnie Burns. Only 19. A project crumbing forward line player.
I am a fan BUT I can't see Hawks trading their young gun in their rebuilding process.

- DANIEL HARRIS: Would cost a bit, and probably almost untouchable at the Kangaroos. Only 22.
Good luck in getting him I am a huge fan but will cost an arm and a leg.

- EDWARD SANSBURY: Very much like Harry Miller. Ideal crumbing pocket player. The Kangaroos appear to have put him in defence a lot this season, but his craft his done up forward.
Wouldn't mind getting him. Wouldn't be knocking down doors though

- MARK JAMAR: Ex North Adelaide player. 3rd string ruckmen at Melbourne at the moment. Good backup for Hudson and Jolly.
You want a poor man's version of Rhett Biglands??????

- JARED RIVERS: The bloke is an absolute GUN at 19. The key factor here is money. This bloke is almost worth $400,000 a year, and if we throw that sort of money at him. NOW WAY can Melbourne match it.
OVERRATED. Zones off a lot more than he should. Never has he stood a quality tall and even average ones kick goals on him. As soon as he comes against a decent opponent he gets beaten. Trent Hentschel killed him in less that a quarter of footy. Overrated and simple is not worth anywhere near the money you are suggesting. I am glad you're not in charge. He would cost a lot more than he is worth because of media hype.

- CAIN ACKLAND: Would really be doubting his own ability after how he's been treated at the Power. Not a ruckmen. Ideally you'd mould him into a strong hard tall leading forward. But not Ruckman material.
He is more of aruckman material than a forward. I woudl stay away from this one.

- DAMON WHITE: Only 20, and has the traits of a 'good' forward.
This bloke I would go 100 miles an hour to get and don't take no for an anwser. A walk up start to our side.

- AARON FIORA May want to return home!!!!! Would be good value if we could get him around Pick 50-70 in the draft. Good player running the lines off half back?
We have too many HBF as it is and do you honestly think Richmond would trade him for pick 50-70?????? I don't

- BRENDON GODDARD: Saints will be stretched for money with Riewoldt, Gehrig etc etc. If they where short of room, paying their youngsters big bucks. I reckon this bloke would get the shove.
No way in hell St. Kilda would let him go and if he wants to leave it sure as hell won't be Adelaide. More chance of me becoming a Collingwood supporter

- DYLAN PFITZNER Project player. Quick, crumbing forward or even midfielder.
Is this the bloke from Central Distict?????? Last time I checked he was 195 cm and I haven't seen too many crumber at that height. He was overlooked in last years draft. Rookie List at best.

- MITCHELL HAHN There's something about him. He'd go alright on a half forward flank I reckon.
He is OK but will he be in our best 22, five years down the track??????

- JORDON MCMAHON: Quick witted, good skills. Would go alright in OUR midfield rotations.
Soft as butter. Not interested.



You have good intention but some of the sugestions are bordering on fairytale ;) There is no easy way out of this and its a 3-5 year process.
 
Re: Re: Time To Go!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by Stiffy_18


Scott Welsh: Too inconcsistent. Trade if possible but most likely keep


Looks like he might have rediscovered his love of football. Only missed because of the flu, and there is every chance he is ready to step up regularly.

Don't be too quick to write him off. He has been very consistent the last four weeks.
 
Re: Re: Re: Time To Go!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by spindoctor
Looks like he might have rediscovered his love of football. Only missed because of the flu, and there is every chance he is ready to step up regularly.

Don't be too quick to write him off. He has been very consistent the last four weeks.
True but every time he string a good month together he missed a game through injury or flu.

He will most probably come back in next week so hopefully he can continue where he left off.
 

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