Roast Time to take over James

[TheGreatBarryB]

So when is he going to take over and make Thompson a real assistant. **** this Geelong shit. We're not them. They say it will pay off in the future, but if it's the secret to success why aren't other teams doing it? Has North tried to bulk up its players? Do Carlton and St Kilda look any bulkier?

And let's start making moves when things aren't going well. When those rush of goals happened in the 2nd and Dempsey started to lose it, it was time to shore things up. Hurley to the backline.

When the team needs a blast, don't leave it up to Thompson to deliver it.

Respect Bomber but after two years it's time Jimmy cut the apron strings and makes this team his own. Rant over.

 

[George Washington]

secret to success:

North
Carlton
St Kilda

Implying Geelong under Thompson weren't succesful.






Okey mete.

 

[yaco55]

Gbb has made some good points - Geelong is a super team - It's a myth to say they are so good, because their players are strong - This is a small component of their success - Hawks and Collingwood beat them and there are players aren't as strong.

All players get bigger after 4 or 5 pre-seasons - But you dont have to be the biggest to win a premiership.

 

[Eleven 38]

I'd be looking at the Geelong Hawthorn and Sydney way of doing things well before North Carlton and st.kilda.

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

Implying Geelong under Thompson weren't succesful.




Okey mete.

Don't be so bloody silly. Yes they built up but that wasn't the sole reason to their success.
Hawthorn is exactly full of big strong bodies, neither is Sydney.

Look at the Pies...Sidebottom, Beams, thomas, Pendlebury ...not exactly Ling-sized arses, or shaped like Rook, Hunt etc.

 

[Lord Nicholson]

Still waiting for the 'Pies dynasty, too.

 

[Coopster09]

Don't be so bloody silly. Yes they built up but that wasn't the sole reason to their success.
Hawthorn is exactly full of big strong bodies, neither is Sydney.

Look at the Pies...Sidebottom, Beams, thomas, Pendlebury ...not exactly Ling-sized arses, or shaped like Rook, Hunt etc.

ummm if u look to last years team to this years we r bigger but if u compare last years team to a collingwood,hawthorn,sydney team, last years team we were no way near big enough and now this year we r matching them for size and fitness that was seen earlier in the year but injuries cost us that fitness, for some reason we were way behind the ball and now we are matched in both areas, now comes the complexes of the game... skills,gameplan ect...

also i wanna add just how much knights set us back we have a list but behind in GAME IQ and fitness.. thank **** we got rid of him!!!!!!!

sorry if this is confusing its sunday and im hungover and tired (drowning my sorrows from yesterday)

 

[Synth]

Adelaide bulked up this year.

Just sayin'

 

[yaco55]

Stop the Presses.

Geelong was successful because all the players had big bodies.

Nothing to do with the game plan,talent,skill,attitude,belief etc, etc.etc.

 

[yaco55]

Don't be so bloody silly. Yes they built up but that wasn't the sole reason to their success.
Hawthorn is exactly full of big strong bodies, neither is Sydney.

Look at the Pies...Sidebottom, Beams, thomas, Pendlebury ...not exactly Ling-sized arses, or shaped like Rook, Hunt etc.

Good post.

Whether we like it or not, footy is an aerobic game - name me another sport that involves as much running - Yes it has changed a bit with more intense running at times,but you still need a high base level of fitness.

Anyway scathing articles from Rohan Connolly and Mark Robinson in tomorrow's paper. Neither miss much - I am unsure which one is more scathing.

 

[yaco55]

ummm if u look to last years team to this years we r bigger but if u compare last years team to a collingwood,hawthorn,sydney team, last years team we were no way near big enough and now this year we r matching them for size and fitness that was seen earlier in the year but injuries cost us that fitness, for some reason we were way behind the ball and now we are matched in both areas, now comes the complexes of the game... skills,gameplan ect...

also i wanna add just how much knights set us back we have a list but behind in GAME IQ and fitness.. thank **** we got rid of him!!!!!!!

sorry if this is confusing its sunday and im hungover and tired (drowning my sorrows from yesterday)

I agree with your point about Game IQ - It's sadly lacking in our players.

Dont be mislead by our fitness - Robinson after being appointed stated in an newspaper article that the aerobic fitness of the players was fine,but that he would concentrate on extra strength to counter fatigue. We've had leaders in the field Quinn/Cormack/Robinson in charge of fitness - There is no way that three highly people in their field would have us behind the ball.

You continually have above average injury lists during the season, and you soon lose fitness compared to teams, who have been relatively injury free.

 

[astrowizzle]

I agree with your point about Game IQ - It's sadly lacking in our players.

Dont be mislead by our fitness - Robinson after being appointed stated in an newspaper article that the aerobic fitness of the players was fine,but that he would concentrate on extra strength to counter fatigue. We've had leaders in the field Quinn/Cormack/Robinson in charge of fitness - There is no way that three highly people in their field would have us behind the ball.

You continually have above average injury lists during the season, and you soon lose fitness compared to teams, who have been relatively injury free.

1000% agree with this. The injuries we have had were always going to catch up with us. Its not just that the players lose match fitness its also that 3-4 new faces are coming in and out of hte team each week. When these faces are expected to start replacing KPPs then you are in real trouble. Conincidently most of our losses and definately our smashings have happened when we had way too many KPP out. Hopefully this is the Apex if the injuries for us as it has been 10 long years since i can remember us getting through a season without a wholloping of injuries.

 

[dnbassador]

Has anyone Realised this year Adelaide has bulked up a huge amount
Last year shit loads of Injuys
This year a handful of injurys

 

[BrunoV]

I love this.

If you are serious, Hird takes credit for everything. The good and the bad.

He isn't the first coach to makes some mistakes so he doesn't need to be protected from them. I just hope that he learns from it.

 

[laxation]

Has anyone Realised this year Adelaide has bulked up a huge amount
Last year shit loads of Injuys
This year a handful of injurys

I forget, last year did they start well and finish poor or the other way around? Or did they just suck all year...
Might have been 2010 they started good and finished bad, I can't remember

 

[BrunoV]

I forget, last year did they start well and finish poor or the other way around? Or did they just suck all year...
Might have been 2010 they started good and finished bad, I can't remember

Started quite well without being great (beating Hawthorn is the only stand out result I can come up with off the top of my head).

 

[Lord Nicholson]

They got towelled up by Freo at home in Round 2, IIRC.

Not a great result. Very ordinary all year, with a few notable exceptions being highly competitive against Collingwood for 3 quarters, knocking of Sydney on the same night that we beat Geelong, and... eh... not much else. Thumped by Melbourne, overrun by Port, smashed by Brisbane at home (!).

Writing was on the wall when they just looked so much more free under Bickley, even taking it right up to the eventual premiers at one stage. That didn't last, but you could see that once the shackles were off they were going to be a very dangerous side.

 

[Slattery_20]

Erm.
Obviously Besanko didn't get the memo that everyone else on bigfooty did.

Hird coaches all the losses.
Thompson all the wins.

Thompson coached the first three quarters of round 1; rounds 2-4; 5-9; the last quarter of round 11; 13 & 14; and round 16.
Hird all the rest.

I'm sure he's telling them all to pull injuries, miss targets, not run out games, and not put their head over it. Question is why?

 

[supahoops]

I'd be looking at the Geelong Hawthorn and Sydney way of doing things well before North Carlton and st.kilda.

If you're looking at Geelong our reserves are flying at the minute. Particularly well-coached IMHO..

 

[bombermick]

The injury issue can be fixed - hopefully. It's the fact we have so many dumb players that worries me more. So many who bite off more than they chew or continually abuse umpires. Just shut the hell up.

 

[I Remember Bluey]

If you're looking at Geelong our reserves are flying at the minute. Particularly well-coached IMHO..

And if I wanted your opinion, I would have asked for it on the Geelong board.

I didn't so

P#ss off.

 

[Mercurial89]

I remember hearing that the vast majority of the team were hardly training around the time of the geelong game, hell crameri has barely trained since mid year. You don't train for 6 weeks and your going to struggle to beat anyone.

Id also argue against anyone who says Sydney, geelong, pies aren't big strong sides. Our program wasn't to just get big it was to be strong, to take the hits and bowl people over. Sydney have ALWAYS been a strong contested side, yet they aren't giants. You don't need to be a tank to do that, i commented a week or so on Stevie J, the guy is not big..at all, but he was knocking people over and taking hits like a power forward.

THIS is what we are trying to build, not all about size. For the most part it is working, if anyone remembers earlier in the year jetta getting lined up by someone, he just ran through him, Hurley running through people, crameri still getting a handball out with 3 blues hanging off him last weekend. We are getting there.

But like i said earlier if you cant train, you cant compete.

People asking for hird to lose it Clarkson style, and berate the players, need to stop kidding themselves. He will not do that, especially not in the public eye. He is ruthless, but he will do it behind closed doors, on the training track. One on One, where it has the most affect. And then he will front up to the media and cop their questions and take the blame like he always does, and will continue to do, because he is a very smart person and a champion. Whats to be gained from him showing weakness and berating the players? just fuel the media fire that is already comparing him to Knights.

This is the reason Bomber does the media, this is the reason bomber has a go at the players on match day, they have a good relationship hird and bomber, they will continue the good cop bad cop routine in the public eye. If anyone listens to hird's press conferences lately you can see that he is struggling to maintain his cool, the ruthless side does want to come out. He mentions winning, every presser he mentions it 3-4 times, he hates losing he wants to win, and as long as we as supporters try to be positive and support him and the club when EVERYONE else wants them to fail, He will win.


/rant

 

[Kong]

The OP obviously didn't hear about the mid year crisis meeting Hird called in 2011.

Players didn't sleep right for weeks.

 

[Mr Mojo Risin]

I'm sure the OP is tight with the club and knows what happens behind closed doors.

If you look at the way we play there are stark differences between us and Geelong of 2007-10.

I don't have time to go into it right now, but start with the kick to handball ratio stats and go from there to the soft forward press as opposed to keeping a more traditional structure. The differences are so numerous I cannot believe people fall for the old 'we are just copying the Geelong model' line just because we have Thompson as a Senior assistant.