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[Kane McGoodwin]

Re sponsors, we can only go on what Chapman is telling us, and that is that our bluechip sponsors - which are large, respected organsiations who make decisions not on emotion or personal feelings, but pure commercial grounds - are giving Trigg their full support. Given Chapman has done this in such a public manner, do you really think he is making this shit up? He simply would not sublicly state this without their endorsement to do so.

In terms of declining sponsorship generally, is it not more than likely that this is to do with the Australian, and global, economic climate, as opposed to South Australian businesses not liking him and/or thinking he is a poor CEO of the AFC, who is prone to making "poor judgements".

Do you think AFC would actually lose sponsors if AFC made a decision to terminate Trigg because of his implicit role in tis Tippett mess? I doubt it personally.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Stop passing off media reports as evidence.

Umm... we pleaded guilty

 

[Brown_DOG68]

Perhaps, the Club's/Board's risk management position was to plead guilty and instructed Trigg (even if he didn't want) to plead guilty? Perhaps, they indicated that that was a requirement for Trigg to remain as CEO after the six months of exile?

Oh, so now he is a martyr? He didn't ever do anything wrong, but he's taking a hit for the club because the board told him to?

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

So if Trigg had come out and provided you with his version of events, all very detailed what happened and why, would you have believed him??

Would be better than part of the story we are getting at the moment or blaming his bad decisions on pressure from supporters. At the moment it just looks like a cover-up/spinning the best possible story & no remorse (except that he was caught out).

 

[Big Gazoongas]

Ok come in a different way then maybe you tell us why he and Crows etc got big fines and why lost key draft picks and gave Tippett away for nothing .
So tell us what he is not guilty of from those media reports and maybe we should have sent you to AFL instead of those costly lawyers.
But especially like now coming out now that it is us the supporters fault .

This whole discussion has now become side tracked from my initial point, which was that no matter what Trigg says he is doomed. Nothing that has been posted since has changed my mind on that.

Lets face the facts here, the people that want Trigg gone aren't going to accept an apology or his version of events, you only have to read through some of the post to come to that realisation.

What he is or isnt guilty of I have no idea, neither do you neither does anyone on this board. Now unless there is a BF poster that was present in all the back room negotiations and the meeting on the 30/11 and seen all evidence from those meetings please come forward and provide us with all the proof and evidence people constatntly refer to. Its also time people stopped passing off media reports and speclation as facts or evidence to justify their perception on Trigg.

I am over people making it sound like an applogy will change anything, or will change their view or their perception on the past events. I would rather people say "I dont care what he says I want him gone" rather than some apology what will do nothing other than give these people more ammunition to throw at Trigg.

Chapman and the board have made their decision they are looking to move on, time for some on this board to do the same.

What I also find ironic is that Trigg has been singled out here, rightly or wrongly. It has been Chapman and the Board that has backed Trigg to the hilt with both the Rendell and $kirt sagas.
Why aren't these same people asking for Chapman and the Board to resign???? They have endorsed Trigg so by default they should also go, but all we here about is Trigg.

My personal opinion is that Trigg is bloody lucky to have survived this, no doubt about that, but Chapman and the board have made their decision. Now Chapman is no mug, nor are the members of our board. Im happy to back their decision at this point as they are the only ones that know pretty much the truth, events and evidence in these dealings.

What I really give a damn about is the Crows, the footy club, from this point forward not individuals looking for a self gratifying pissy apology that won't change a thing.!!!!

 

[Stripple]

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Stop passing off media reports as evidence.

he pleaded guilty, we pleaded guilty.

Regardless of our side of the story for all intense and purposes we are guilty.

 

[Brown_DOG68]

This whole discussion has now become side tracked from my initial point, which was that no matter what Trigg says he is doomed. Nothing that has been posted since has changed my mind on that.

Lets face the facts here, the people that want Trigg gone aren't going to accept an apology or his version of events, you only have to read through some of the post to come to that realisation.

What he is or isnt guilty of I have no idea, neither do you neither does anyone on this board. Now unless there is a BF poster that was present in all the back room negotiations and the meeting on the 30/11 and seen all evidence from those meetings please come forward and provide us with all the proof and evidence people constatntly refer to. Its also time people stopped passing off media reports and speclation as facts or evidence to justify their perception on Trigg.

I am over people making it sound like an applogy will change anything, or will change their view or their perception on the past events. I would rather people say "I dont care what he says I want him gone" rather than some apology what will do nothing other than give these people more ammunition to throw at Trigg.

Chapman and the board have made their decision they are looking to move on, time for some on this board to do the same.

What I also find ironic is that Trigg has been singled out here, rightly or wrongly. It has been Chapman and the Board that has backed Trigg to the hilt with both the Rendell and $kirt sagas.
Why aren't these same people asking for Chapman and the Board to resign???? They have endorsed Trigg so by default they should also go, but all we here about is Trigg.

My personal opinion is that Trigg is bloody lucky to have survived this, no doubt about that, but Chapman and the board have made their decision. Now Chapman is no mug, nor are the members of our board. Im happy to back their decision at this point as they are the only ones that know pretty much the truth, events and evidence in these dealings.

What I really give a damn about is the Crows, the footy club, from this point forward not individuals looking for a self gratifying pissy apology that won't change a thing.!!!!

You should have stopped here.

 

[Big Gazoongas]

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he pleaded guilty, we pleaded guilty.

Regardless of our side of the story for all intense and purposes we are guilty.

So did Walker on two occassions this year when he was reported, many on this board said he shouldn't have, so he was guilty as charged too yes??

So can you give an expalantion as to why he has been backed by Chapman and the board?
Please don't use the Boys club as a reason.

 

[Big Gazoongas]

You should have stopped here.

Pot, kettle black

 

[ftmch]

Do you think AFC would actually lose sponsors if AFC made a decision to terminate Trigg because of his implicit role in tis Tippett mess? I doubt it personally.

That's not the context of these posts. There is no dispute Trigg has monumentally cocked up re this Tippett saga. I'm just addressing the perception that he was a f**k up even before these events unfolded.

The fact out corporate sponsors are happy for our Chairman to come out and say that Trigg has their (the sponsors) full support, in spite of his balls up in relation to this issue, surely suggests that are more than happy with where their investment in the club is at, and where it is heading, with Trigg at the helm.

 

[bjn1960]

Oh, so now he is a martyr? He didn't ever do anything wrong, but he's taking a hit for the club because the board told him to?

No, I was not implying that at all. Far from it. If I were in Triggs position, I would have resigned and I feel he should also resign.

However, my post only ever attemped to offer a possible reason for Trigg's (poor) demeanor and public reaction to the penalties, particularly considering, the diametrically opposted ones of Chapman.

You having a go at me without considering my motives, is what Big Gazoongas is aluding too.

 

[Deaneus!]

The fact out corporate sponsors are happy for our Chairman to come out and say that Trigg has their (the sponsors) full support, in spite of his balls up in relation to this issue, surely suggests that are more than happy with where their investment in the club is at, and where it is heading, with Trigg at the helm.

I note that a sponsor's biggest issue is whether they get the exposure they are paying for, and probably not whether or not we win, or are well-governed.

 

[Stripple]

So did Walker on two occassions this year when he was reported, many on this board said he shouldn't have, so he was guilty as charged too yes??

So can you give an expalantion as to why he has been backed by Chapman and the board?
Please don't use the Boys club as a reason.

Yes his record will show he was guilty. I don't think he was, but he pleaded that way and admitted he had to change his technique. What has trigg done?

Using the board keeping him on as justification as to why he was kept on makes no sense. If he wasn't backed in everyone who has just sided with the board would be ok with it as well. That's not having an opinion on the situation it's deferring it upwards.

There is no reason I can see as to why anyone would keep on someone who has pleased guilty to cheating.

I would like someone to justify it beyond arguments such as "the board have baked him in so he must be doing something right" or " it's not that big of a penalty, it was just a small mistake" we were hit with one of the largest sanction in the AFL ever, and yet our club has held no one to account. If we fought the conviction and pleaded our innocence until we were blue in the face and then were found guilty I would be more inclined to seeing this as the AFL screwing us over and Trigg not deserving to go. However if we accept the guilt we have to except the responsibility of ownership of the offense.

Instead we have tried to have our cake and eat it too. Plead guilty but then say we are not guilty.

Put it this way if I please guilty to murder to get a reduced sentence because it looks like I'm going to be found guilty despite my innocence, how would the public precise me?

 

[crowman_23]

So did Walker on two occassions this year when he was reported, many on this board said he shouldn't have, so he was guilty as charged too yes??

So can you give an expalantion as to why he has been backed by Chapman and the board?
Please don't use the Boys club as a reason.

Drawing a very long bow.

 

[BACCS]

A reserves side in a meaningful non-SANFL comp and voting rights for members are clearly the most important steps for our club to take to secure a winning future and pimp up the trophy cabinet imo. 1000x more important than moving to AO which is more or less shuffling deck chairs

Don't disagree with your ideas, but I struggle to see how these will the difference to us winning another flag.

 

[Stripple]

Also BG can you give me a reason as to why Trigg was kept on with out using the boards backing as a justification?

Have we increased attendances, memberships, revenue, or had undeniable on field success? Are we in the cutting edge of any field concerning the AFL?

 

[Big Gazoongas]

Drawing a very long bow.

Drawing a reasonable comparison. Two situations where individuals were charged, both pleaded guilty yet we want to (conveniently) interpret them differently.

In any case this is not the main point of what I have been posting.

 

[jenny61_99]

Joel is staying in Adelaide next year

Very brave boy. Be interesting to see if dad ever comes to watch him play, or whether that honor will be bestowed only on the golden child?

 

[headache1]

Drawing a reasonable comparison. Two situations where individuals were charged, both pleaded guilty yet we want to (conveniently) interpret them differently.

In any case this is not the main point of what I have been posting.

An absolutely laughable comparison is more like it.

 

[Big Gazoongas]

Also BG can you give me a reason as to why Trigg was kept on with out using the boards backing as a justification?

Have we increased attendances, memberships, revenue, or had undeniable on field success? Are we in the cutting edge of any field concerning the AFL?

Trigg will only keep his job with the support of the Chairman and the board, without that he has no job.

 

[Big Gazoongas]

An absolutely laughable comparison is more like it.

And a predictable response from you

 

[jenny61_99]

Oh come on Carl, why does it need to gel with other facts and common sense?
If Trigg provided a detailed version of events, his version of events that many on this board dearly crave, that was even slightly different to what has been reported we all know what would have been said on this board.

Exactly.

 

[jenny61_99]

Do we? Has it been said that the 11 games doesnt include Preseason?

Yes. Cannot play nab cup.

 

[Stripple]

Trigg will only keep his job with the support of the Chairman and the board, without that he has no job.

But why have they backed him in? Have a look at the upside of Steven thread not much goal kicking going on.

 

[Big Gazoongas]

Also BG can you give me a reason as to why Trigg was kept on with out using the boards backing as a justification?

Have we increased attendances, memberships, revenue, or had undeniable on field success? Are we in the cutting edge of any field concerning the AFL?

Stripple, lets cut to the chase here. Are you a fan of Trigg, yes or no?