I agree with the bolded, have never disputed that.
Most people here saw pick 23 as a nothing pick a month ago, whats changed now?
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Most people here saw pick 23 as a nothing pick a month ago, whats changed now?
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In terms of penalty, just cataloging what we've actually lost:
2012 Draft - pick #20, pick #54 - given up as a goodwill measure
2012 Trade Period - whatever draft picks we could have theoretically got if we were able to trade Tippett... say, #23 and Jesse White (at least)
Grand Total - picks #20, #23, #54, Jesse White
Equivalent of 2 first round and 1 third round pick anda potato a fourth/fifth round pick.
How much more will we have to give?
2012 Draft - pick #20, pick #54 - given up as a goodwill measure
2012 Trade Period - whatever draft picks we could have theoretically got if we were able to trade Tippett... say, #23 and Jesse White (at least)
Grand Total - picks #20, #23, #54, Jesse White
Equivalent of 2 first round and 1 third round pick and
How much more will we have to give?
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I personally dont see much difference between pick 23 and losing tippett for nothing. rewind 4 weeks and most of the board agreed with me.
inb4 'but thats different'
yes, as a result of whatever has transpired we have missed out on pick 20 and 54, but i maintain that including tippetts trade value as something we've lost is problematic because he A: wasnt contracted B: nominated 1 club and refused to talk to any others and C: has acted in his own interests with what appears to be no regard for anyone else he might hurt along the way.
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I have been reading this thread with interest, posted once in my support for you guys ... even though I cannot stand AfC.
I just cannot believe what an absolute w***er Tippet is.
Seriously though this hole saga is such a B grade movie .... as a Carlton supporter I know personally what its like to be popcorn for the masses but I just cannot help but feel for the supporters of the AFC.
Its just such a huge clusterf$&% and in the end its the fans and the players who suffer because of a seriously flawed, yet talented jerk off and and administration that had what looks like a brain fart at the time.
I mean seriously, hindsight is a wonderful thing, but how could anyone have predicted that Tippet was such a piece of human filth?
The thing that really gets my goat is that none of this would have happened should he have chosen QLD as his preferred destination.
In my book, the gentleman's agreement to send him to his home state if he still wanted to leave after his contract expired was fair enough ... it gave AFC the chance to try to keep him and gave him a fair enough carrot to stay (not to mention what you were paying him!) ... the side deal that came to light just a huge brain fart ... why oh why this happened is just too stupid to get involved in ... simple fact is you were still under the cap so f%&$ it.
How that amoeba then turns around and nominates Sydney ... this is what sticks in my craw.
To me it just shows what an absolute merc this guy is.
Lets get one thing straight YOU gave him his shot. YOUR system developed him into what he is. HE shat all over you in a way I, in all my years following the AFL, have never seen.
I wouldn't touch this douche with a ten foot pole ... There is a part of me that wants him to end up in Sydney just because I think he is poison and that they will get their just desserts if he goes there.
I wouldn't mind seeing him go to GWS as long as he never tastes success!
All in all I just wish that the AFL grow some balls and shoot the waste of space.
Needless to say after all this is done and dusted I will have a soft spot for the AFC (irk!)
I can honestly say 3 things
1) Tipprat is the king of w***ers
2) AFC have been reemed for trying as hard as they could to keep a two faced w***er
3) unfortunately your club has provided amazing entertainment in the boring off season for the rest of us die hard AFL fans.
Personally what you have lost is enough for mine, hope you don't get anything else but knowing the AFL they will hit you again as a deterrent for others because your list can take a hit at the moment.
One big difference between AFC and Carlton and why you won't feel a similar penalty (justified or not) is that we had a crap list before the penalties so they compounded our problems and left us in the mire for ten years.
Needless to say good luck AFC supporters ... I may get white line fever but wrong is just wrong and what is happening to you guys because of that absolute waste of human space is just deplorable ... SEND OUT A FRIGGEN HIT SQUAD!
I just cannot believe what an absolute w***er Tippet is.
Seriously though this hole saga is such a B grade movie .... as a Carlton supporter I know personally what its like to be popcorn for the masses but I just cannot help but feel for the supporters of the AFC.
Its just such a huge clusterf$&% and in the end its the fans and the players who suffer because of a seriously flawed, yet talented jerk off and and administration that had what looks like a brain fart at the time.
I mean seriously, hindsight is a wonderful thing, but how could anyone have predicted that Tippet was such a piece of human filth?
The thing that really gets my goat is that none of this would have happened should he have chosen QLD as his preferred destination.
In my book, the gentleman's agreement to send him to his home state if he still wanted to leave after his contract expired was fair enough ... it gave AFC the chance to try to keep him and gave him a fair enough carrot to stay (not to mention what you were paying him!) ... the side deal that came to light just a huge brain fart ... why oh why this happened is just too stupid to get involved in ... simple fact is you were still under the cap so f%&$ it.
How that amoeba then turns around and nominates Sydney ... this is what sticks in my craw.
To me it just shows what an absolute merc this guy is.
Lets get one thing straight YOU gave him his shot. YOUR system developed him into what he is. HE shat all over you in a way I, in all my years following the AFL, have never seen.
I wouldn't touch this douche with a ten foot pole ... There is a part of me that wants him to end up in Sydney just because I think he is poison and that they will get their just desserts if he goes there.
I wouldn't mind seeing him go to GWS as long as he never tastes success!
All in all I just wish that the AFL grow some balls and shoot the waste of space.
Needless to say after all this is done and dusted I will have a soft spot for the AFC (irk!)
I can honestly say 3 things
1) Tipprat is the king of w***ers
2) AFC have been reemed for trying as hard as they could to keep a two faced w***er
3) unfortunately your club has provided amazing entertainment in the boring off season for the rest of us die hard AFL fans.
Personally what you have lost is enough for mine, hope you don't get anything else but knowing the AFL they will hit you again as a deterrent for others because your list can take a hit at the moment.
One big difference between AFC and Carlton and why you won't feel a similar penalty (justified or not) is that we had a crap list before the penalties so they compounded our problems and left us in the mire for ten years.
Needless to say good luck AFC supporters ... I may get white line fever but wrong is just wrong and what is happening to you guys because of that absolute waste of human space is just deplorable ... SEND OUT A FRIGGEN HIT SQUAD!
When Kurt chose Sydney do you think he was confident of getting there? Here's a clue, Blucher on day 1 said we should honor our agreement and let him go for 22, he was born in Sydney and has family there.
If there wasn't an agreement do you think Kurt might have said to Sydney "look I want to come but how are you going to get me? Adelaide are going to want something back, are you prepared to give it?" if he wasn't confident of getting to Sydney he may have chosen one of the QLD clubs because it's pretty obvious he is shitting himself about going to GWS via the PSD.
I think its highly likely he and his manager filled sydney in and they worked together to get the best result for those 2 parties while shafting adelaide. but that tells me tippett was willing to work against us while still on the list and would have shafted us some other way. the 'tippett loophole' is one possible way
Who says we would only have been offered pick 23 if that deal didn't exist?
With no agreement there is only 2 ways he gets to Sydney, a trade or PSD. He had no other way of shafting us. Stop using your imagination to pretend the illegal agreement didn't cost us valuable compensation for Tippett.
youve got to admit its a possibility.
Sydney knew about the deal or they didnt. (personally i think they did
If they knew about it surely they would have understood it was against AFL rules and in all three parties interests to keep it under wraps. knowing that they still felt justified offering only 23+white and from all reports didnt budge.
If they didnt know about the deal then they still felt justified in offering only pick 23+white and from all reports didnt budge.
Surely you understand that when a player and the club he wants to go to work together against the players current club then the players current club is going to have a VERY tough time getting anywhere near his value in return.
When that club has the last pick in the PSD then they either offer fair value or risk not getting him. Considering the contract they offered him I doubt it was a case of, oh well, if we don't get him so be it. Your thinking on all of this is bordering bizarre.
3 ways. a trade, PSD or a delisted free agent.
PSD = no compensation. delisted free agent = no compensation. working with the club he wants to go to = little to no compensation.
cant make it much simpler.
could be that was Sydneys estimate of the very minimum we would accept without forcing the PSD, knowing they had Tippett working for them.
So you think the Crows would delist him so he becomes a free agent and we lose him for nothing? Have you been drinking?
I havent seen anyone quote the rules as to when we have to delist and how that impacts the delisted free agent window, so at this point i would say its a bit of an unknown whether we would/wouldnt/no choice
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Players who have refused to sign a contract from their current club do not count as delisted free agents apparently.
The only players that become delisted free agents are those not offered contracts.
So, speccy, time to admit the without the agreement the odds are we would have received better compensation than pick 22?
Based on Tippetts conduct to date i dont see it personally.
I stand corrected.
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is this what demetriou will be using on adelaide?
Its ok - the club has experienced the whole thing many times ..... willingly...
Because you are being stubborn. His only way of shafting of us without the agreement was threatening the PSD. He clearly is shit scared of going to GWS so without the safety net of the agreement it is highly unlikely he would go down that path.
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