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Which AFC deserter were/are you most salty towards?

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Elite Crow said:
Caro reckons we will cop at least a year draft picks. :( :mad: Crows to back Trigg and Harper and bring them back after suspension o_O :mad: And Kurt to miss at least half a year :D :p
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The rules as posted previously don't allow for suspension of games. He is either fined, banned from getting to club he wants to get to for 3 yrs, or not allowed to nom for draft for 12 months.
 
Vader said:
If they don't make them suspended, then surely the AFC must take this to court. Surely we could argue that we would have been denied natural justice, given that our penalty would have exceeded that handed to Carlton a decade ago - when Carlton's was by any measure the significantly worse offence.
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Finding some difficulties with penalties:

1. If we fessed up, pleaded guilty, and voluntarily gave back draft picks from this year .......then where is the acknowledgement for the consideration promised by Anderson IF we get suspended from the draft for 3 years :confused:

2. If the AFL are now charging individuals as well as club .......and the club board proves it was unaware of the activities of its staff ......does the club get penalized the same as before when officials hid behind the club :confused:

It seems to me that the "plea bargain" should have cut a year off .....or had the 3rd year suspended??
 
Unlike the AFL tribunal, Friday's hearing will be closed to the media.

It's expected AFL Commission chairman Mike Fitzpatrick will announce an outcome shortly after the hearing concludes.
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Dang.
 
juzzo said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlton_Football_Club_salary_cap_breach
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So Carlton for systematic rorting of the salary cap and deliberately exceeding .......gets less penalty than us who never exceeded salary cap, fessed up and negotiated a plea bargain


Surely that cannot be the outcome .......but then again we're talking about the AFC management :rolleyes:

They will cop more than Carlton .....and then thank the AFL for their support and considerations :rolleyes: ........never been so angry at this club ....NEVER !!!!!

BTW fancy the club putting on the website membership drive the day before the judgement from AFL .......how F...g deluded is this club !!!
 

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Peter J said:
The rules as posted previously don't allow for suspension of games. He is either fined, banned from getting to club he wants to get to for 3 yrs, or not allowed to nom for draft for 12 months.
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could he be banned from going to Sydney as part of his punishment ? ....do the AFL have that authority? and would it stick in court?

Surely a fine and deregistration for min same period as Harper/ Trigg .......6 months
If it costs Trigg/harper their jobs & income .....surely the player is just as culpable

Pity Blucher ........has to be 12 months suspension min
 
Is there anyone else hoping we iggy be using dean bailey as a bargaining chip.

The AFL want tanking to go away and might be looking at finding melb innocent.

We just remind them that if they slam us bailey might remember more about certain meetings.

I can dream can't I?
 
Stripple said:
Is there anyone else hoping we iggy be using dean bailey as a bargaining chip.

The AFL want tanking to go away and might be looking at finding melb innocent.

We just remind them that if they slam us bailey might remember more about certain meetings.

I can dream can't I?
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What are you on? :eek:
 
Elite Crow said:
Caro reckons we will cop at least a year draft picks. :( :mad: Crows to back Trigg and Harper and bring them back after suspension o_O :mad: And Kurt to miss at least half a year :D :p
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Can't ........their prescense simply reminds too much of this incident

I have no doubts memberships WILL be affected

Agree on Tippett penalty ....6 months

Agree on one years draft picks ......hopefully 2012 plus 2013 suspended on good behavior bond 10 years
 
Donkey Magoo said:
From Emma Whales article yesterday, the worst bits were when it looked like we had tried (badly) to cover it up. Hopefully that was Journalistic licence.
I am hoping, that by pleading Guilty, we have given the AFL enough room to grant leniency whereas if we fought it then they would be forced into full force against us.
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is that a charge & penalty against individuals rather than club?

If the board were presented with information from Trigg that gave the board comfort that we were AFL rules compliant .......then how is club penalized under this new regime of personal responsibility ??
 
After hearing a bit about how Chapman has conducted himself with State Bank from various people I know, I have no doubt he will move on Trigg (and Harper) if he sees fit.

There is just no way on earth he wants this club's brand tarnished any further, and I think people have to accept he will make the right call based on umpteen years of experience, regardless of what you agree with or not.
 

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Kane McGoodwin said:
The breach of trust - attempted cover-up/not being truthful to supporters through this whole process is just as bad as the incompentent actions/non-actions of management.

I was surprised when it was mentioned we were looking forward to the hearing & fighting the charges as many were supposedly not correct ... yet now we appear to be pleading guilty to everything. If true, this is basically signing off that there is no point of return for those implicitly involved.
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****ing hell mate, at least wait until tomorrow. They may be pleading guilty, but none of us know how much we are willing to accept (i.e. how severe we believe the punishments should be), and may be pleading guilty to lessen the charges. The club has never maintained they were innocent, just that there was stuff getting reported which simply isn't true.

So seriously, at least give them a chance to speak first for christ sakes before acting like a total loon.

They have been as truthful to the public as they could have been, given the circumstances. But hey, if you're pissed off, that's your prerogative.
 
Wood_Duck said:
Have heard this arvo that Adelaide may have been cautioned by the AFL over defending themselves 'too vigorously'. The AFL were very keen to convince Adelaide to plead guilty.

Not exactly sure what to make of that.
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What a surprise :rolleyes: .................... Vlad lives up to his name
 
Wayne's-World said:
could he be banned from going to Sydney as part of his punishment ? ....do the AFL have that authority? and would it stick in court?

Surely a fine and deregistration for min same period as Harper/ Trigg .......6 months
If it costs Trigg/harper their jobs & income .....surely the player is just as culpable

Pity Blucher ........has to be 12 months suspension min
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Yes the AFL do have the authority under their own rules to prevent him from going to Sydney
 
BACCS said:
After hearing a bit about how Chapman has conducted himself with State Bank from various people I know, I have no doubt he will move on Trigg (and Harper) if he sees fit.

There is just no way on earth he wants this club's brand tarnished any further, and I think people have to accept he will make the right call based on umpteen years of experience, regardless of what you agree with or not.
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:thumbsu: hope you're right

If as anticipated the club already knows its penalties .......how significant is it that Chapman accompanied Trigg

How significant is it that Trigg did not attend the CEO meeting .......a crucial meeting from what i understand

BTW .......how is it possible for Chapman to work on this 12 hours a day, 7 days a week ........there's no possibility there was enough evidence/preparation warranting that time input ......unless it was additional hours to his normal work load outside the club

But gee good copy and spin doctoring to the supporters who envisage lamps on in Crows offices up to midnight
 
Wood_Duck said:
For me the only question that remains is , did we plead guilty to shoplifting or aggravated robbery?
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Sums up my views on it right now. Which is why people really need to wait until tomorrow before going all out on the people involved.

I have no doubt Trigg (and probably Harper) won't last, but I will wait to make a final judgement until tomorrow, just like everyone should.
 
BACCS said:
They may be pleading guilty, but none of us know how much we are willing to accept (i.e. how severe we believe the punishments should be), and may be pleading guilty to lessen the charges. The club has never maintained they were innocent, just that there was stuff getting reported which simply isn't true.

So seriously, at least give them a chance to speak first for christ sakes before acting like a total loon.

They have been as truthful to the public as they could have been, given the circumstances. But hey, if you're pissed off, that's your prerogative.
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After tomorrow's result it'll be interesting to refer back to the club's email to members:

"Throughout the past three years and the recent trading period, it was always the club's intention to comply fully with all AFL rules on the draft and player payments."
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Peter J said:
Yes the AFL do have the authority under their own rules to prevent him from going to Sydney
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Would those rules standup in court though ?

Or if he nominates a price and is excluded from Sydney ......it can be argued no restraint of trade as 16 other clubs have ability to meet his terms .......if he prices himself out of the draft then tough

If he has to Monday to nominate terms ....surely tomorrows outcome will influence his terms for the PSD and may open the door to GWS who can afford to wait
 
JohnG said:
Would that only apply if they can prove we knew about the agreement and in a way held the crows ransom to the deal right?
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IF Tippetts father was involved in negotiations ....then Tippett Jnr can be held accountable by association B4 and after the fact

cannot plead ignorance as I am sure there's probably emails to Kurt or his management on 3rd party deals and progress
 
JohnG said:
Would that only apply if they can prove we knew about the agreement and in a way held the crows ransom to the deal right?
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John the rule as stated only referred to the penalties for a player engaging in Draft tampering. So no I don't think it relies on anything Sydney did, just that Tippett entered into the agreement with us.
 
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