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[Draft Bored]

You're seriously telling people who have been members of this club since its inception that they should go and support another team if they're unhappy with recent events, and how the club has dealt with said events, when you've just decided to sign up for the first time ever?

Unbelievable.

No, I said they should support another team if they can't move on and get past the recent events.

 

[Slippery Pete]

AFGM, on points 2-4, based on my convo with Chapman and assuming he is telling the truth, he claims it's yes to all 4 questions. .

That's correct.... And so then it just comes down to semantics and each person's definition of "incompetent."

Unfortunately in this case, Rob's is the only one that matters.

 

[headache1]

No, I said they should support another team if they can't move on and get past the recent events.

Oh, well that's completely different then.

 

[Slippery Pete]

If the AFL are truly interested in preserving the integrity of the TPP, they need to provide an amnesty for the clubs to get their houses in order, then do a club by club audit. As it stands, we are now behind the 8 ball, because we need to be squeaky clean.

You're forgetting that in the time it took for this investigation to be complete (including inviting the AFL in to to a rectal probe on us), every other club in the AFL cleaned out their files/hard drives/ kitchen sinks.

We're even further behind the eightball than you think.

 

[noddy]

I agree with everything you've said above Jars - everything. That's genuine damage in many senses of the word.

My post saying that I expected there to be no collateral damage was purely on the topic of memberships. As I said, we may lose a handful as a response to what has happened, which I expect to be more than outweighed by additional members getting on board in advance of the move to Adelaide Oval.

As for your comments re Trigg, I've consistently stated that in the Corporate world in which I have operated all my working life, even it be it my best employee, I would have had to sack Trigg. It wouldn't have been an option.

However, the Footy world seems to run on different values as Adelaide are only one of many clubs that have broken the rules and been caught, while I believe the others all have but just haven't been caught. I would even supect that what we have been found guilty of might be relatively minor to some that have snuck through in the past.

Moreover, we don't know all the details, and probably never will, which is why I've said consistently that I'd accept Rob Chapman's decision on Trigg as to whether he sacked him or retained him.

Just on Trigg, he certainly didn't do himself a lot of favours in the interview on 5aa last night, whereas Chapman shone by comparison.

While there is nothing wrong with assertiveness, Trigg must learn during his 6 month sabbatical to adjust his way of speech so that it doesn't sound like arrogance or inappropriate self-justification which endears him to nobody.

As one of the most important mouth-pieces of the club, some humility and a dash of human warmth wouldn't go astray either.

Just one question macca why did Trigg not do the honorable thing & resign regardless of how the AFL & our board felt?

 

[asdfasd]

I don't know who I'm more disillusioned with, the club hierarchy, or the supporters that are prepared to gloss over all of what has happened and who are prepared to offer blind support for those that have lead this club through absolute shit and have undermined all of the hard work the playing group and coaching staff have done during the year. No wonder Trigg and co treat us with absolute contempt - everyone laps it up. We even have people stating that they have bought memberships for the first time due to this debacle. Jesus christ...

 

[Wright Away]

THE LOGIC BEHIND NOMINATING AS A PORT SUPPORTER IS THAT I DO NOT GET COUNTED IN THR CROWS MEMBERSHIP NUMBERS. WHILE STILL BEING ABLE TO WATCH THE CROWS.

 

[Wright Away]

It is called making a half arsed stand.

 

[macca23]

Just one question macca why did Trigg not do the honorable thing & resign regardless of how the AFL & our board felt?

Just speculating, it would be hard to give up a $400k to $500k p.a. position, when you have a massive ego and think that you have always done a great job. IMO he sees this only as a blip on the overall radar plus he thinks that he has been set up to some extent by the Tippett camp.

However, only Trigg could really answer that one, nodster.

 

[boffo]

In the 5aa interview where he was questioned by a couple more of the South Australian boys club, I noticed the repeated attempts to downplay what they did as 'mistakes'. These weren't inadvertant mistakes but a deliberate attempt to secure the services of a player by breaking the rules. It is time to say 'we were wrong', not we made a little mistake...sorry, spilt the milk on the bench...lets quickly move on, I'll get the dishcloth and we will be more careful. The AFC has not even begun to own this and deal with it.

Thanks BF.

And the thing that really annoys me now is Chappie trying to spin the line that it's a courageous decision to keep Trigg, the easy thing to do would have been to let him go.

He also says he's spoken to all the sponsors, all the players, and the staff (i.e. all the people who matter) and every one of them want to keep Trigg. Doesn't that make keeping Trigg the easy decision?

Spin, spin, spin.

 

[Tex200]

Just one question macca why did Trigg not do the honorable thing & resign regardless of how the AFL & our board felt?

My view on this is the its pretty obvious Trigg wanted his day in court. In his own mind the charges on draft tampering in particular, could have been beaten.

As part of the settlement process he was guaranteed his job for pleading guilty. I recall predicting that outcome some time ago.

This also explains his current demeanour which hints at some bitterness for having to fall in line.

 

[boffo]

Cut it out you lot.

rfctiger - I agree cutting memberships hurts the club much more directly than it does the administration of the club, but there is literally no other recourse us fans can take. Yes, we can petition, yes, we can make noise, but that's already happened. Trigg has been smashed from all corners and yet he's still there.

How about a complete boycott of the NAB cup? Let's go for record low attendances.

 

[boffo]

Recently seen on Trigg's bookshelf in his office:

sign on his desk....

'The buck does not stop here'

 

[sworc36]

I don't know who I'm more disillusioned with, the club hierarchy, or the supporters that are prepared to gloss over all of what has happened and who are prepared to offer blind support for those that have lead this club through absolute shit and have undermined all of the hard work the playing group and coaching staff have done during the year. No wonder Trigg and co treat us with absolute contempt - everyone laps it up. We even have people stating that they have bought memberships for the first time due to this debacle. Jesus christ...

I can't see how you dont get it. Those supporters that you talk about are the ones that dont really give a crap about the politics and just care about what happens on field and want to be a part of our on-field success...who wouldn't Those supporters have also been there since day one and have made the club one of the most supported and financially stable clubs in the AFL.....Without them we would just be another Port Power. As for the newies, they want to be part of the Adelaide Oval and after last years season, would you blame them?

 

[boffo]

I can't see how you dont get it. Those supporters that you talk about are the ones that dont really give a crap about the politics and just care about what happens on field and want to be a part of our on-field success...who wouldn't Those supporters have also been there since day one and have made the club one of the most supported and financially stable clubs in the AFL.....Without them we would just be another Port Power. As for the newies, they want to be part of the Adelaide Oval and after last years season, would you blame them?

So it doesn't worry you that this management incompetence has diminished our future chances of on-field success?

In such an even competition, those 5 or 6 first and second round picks we lost are going to hurt in 2 years time, and last for a decade.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

rfctiger - I agree cutting memberships hurts the club much more directly than it does the administration of the club, but there is literally no other recourse us fans can take. Yes, we can petition, yes, we can make noise, but that's already happened. Trigg has been smashed from all corners and yet he's still there.

Look at what the Kangas did with the GC relocation. Like you, they had no say about the board back then, and their fight was at even worse odds than you. What they did successfully manage though was to galvanize their membership effectively into a single voice under the "Roosistance" banner.

To pull it off is tough, you need to be loud enough to get media support (but not too loud so you are treated like a joke). Gotta be professional and focused though, too many supporter protests lose traction because no one knows what they want. Its embarrassing when you finally get a hearing, but find out 13 different agendas are in play.

If you are serious, that would be the first question I'd be asking. What do you want? Trigg/Harper/Chapman gone? Spill of the board? Guarantee of membership voting rights when the SANFL eventually agree to flog you off (i.e. to avoid this ever happening again by making the board truly accountable to its membership)?

As an outsider, its the last one I'd be pushing for, but I know you guys are in a very different world footy wise for this stuff than we are in Melbourne.

 

[macca23]

My view on this is the its pretty obvious Trigg wanted his day in court. In his own mind the charges on draft tampering in particular, could have been beaten.

As part of the settlement process he was guaranteed his job for pleading guilty. I recall predicting that outcome some time ago.

This also explains his current demeanour which hints at some bitterness for having to fall in line.

Well put and I'm sure that you are right Peter.

The major weakness in Trigg's thought process though is that the Tippett clan have stuck rigidly to blaming him rather than accepting blame themselves e.g. re who actually suggested the extra side agreement guaranteeing Tippett easy passage out of the Crows.

Even if Trigg did actually cancel this arrangement verbally with Tippett's manager as he claims, because Trigg didn't put anything in print, if we had disputed the draft tampering charge it would have resorted to a "he said she said " situation, which would have meant nothing, even if in fact, everything was as Trigg said, because he didn't put it to them in print and get them to acknowledge their acceptance in the same matter.

And yes, he does seem very bitter when he speak about it. He obviously feels that he's been made the fall guy.

 

[Tex200]

Anyone hear Sheedy on SEN today. According to a poster on Sydney board Sheedy is now putting it out that a Melb club is now in the hunt for Tippett?

More Sheedy BS?

 

[Deaneus!]

Have to love Sheedy sometimes. Whether or not it's BS, he certainly knows when to pipe up with a rumour that may or may not be true.

 

[feenix67]

You're forgetting that in the time it took for this investigation to be complete (including inviting the AFL in to to a rectal probe on us), every other club in the AFL cleaned out their files/hard drives/ kitchen sinks.

We're even further behind the eightball than you think.

Oh no, Im well aware how far behind we are.... that's why our stupidity is lamentable.

 

[mattymac]

A reserves side in a meaningful non-SANFL comp and voting rights for members are clearly the most important steps for our club to take to secure a winning future and pimp up the trophy cabinet imo. 1000x more important than moving to AO which is more or less shuffling deck chairs

 

[DREAM TEAM BUFF]

Anyone hear Sheedy on SEN today. According to a poster on Sydney board Sheedy is now putting it out that a Melb club is now in the hunt for Tippett?

More Sheedy BS?

A WA club will be in the hunt next.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Just speculating, it would be hard to give up a $400k to $500k p.a. position, when you have a massive ego and think that you have always done a great job. IMO he sees this only as a blip on the overall radar plus he thinks that he has been set up to some extent by the Tippett camp.

However, only Trigg could really answer that one, nodster.

Money is always the reason Macca .........Trigg simply wouldn't get the same opportunity & money if he left Adelaide UNLESS he headed to Eastern States.

Don't think North Melbourne won't be in his ear over the coming months

 

[Marty64]

A reserves side in a meaningful non-SANFL comp and voting rights for members are clearly the most important steps for our club to take to secure a winning future and pimp up the trophy cabinet imo. 1000x more important than moving to AO which is more or less shuffling deck chairs

Chance of the SANFL letting a reserves side for either AFL team is what? Zero is my guess.

 

[Tex200]

A WA club will be in the hunt next.

I know you were not serious but Freo have confirmed they are not interested.