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[asdfasd]

No but if more people think you have integrity than those that think you haven't then you probably have integrity. This is after all the premise of our justice system, that's how a jury works.

Jurors are actually presented with facts and evidence before making a decision, whereas we were excluded from the hearing itself, and have only been fed seemingly contradictory messages from the club. I'd say most people in Nazi Germany thought Hitler was of great integrity, but that was no indication of his actual character. I hate to invoke Godwin's law so early on, but there you have it.

 

[Hodgy]

Jurors are actually presented with facts and evidence before making a decision, whereas we were excluded from the hearing itself, and have only been fed seemingly contradictory messages from the club. I'd say most people in Nazi Germany thought Hitler was of great integrity, but that was no indication of his actual character. I hate to invoke Godwin's law so early on, but there you have it.

My point exactly although I have no idea who Godwin is. If we don't have enough evidence to make a judjement on someones character then you shouldn't try. In this case I can't see that we have any evidence at all to assasinate Trigg's character, all I was doing was responding to someone who said opinion on character shouldn't be decided by a vote, whereas in fact this is done in our courts. Although I must say I haven't heard anything contradictory from the club and if anyone in Nazi Germany actually thought Hitler had great integrity then they needed the men with the white coats to come and pay a visit.

 

[Donkey Magoo]

Jurors are actually presented with facts and evidence before making a decision, whereas we were excluded from the hearing itself, and have only been fed seemingly contradictory messages from the club. I'd say most people in Nazi Germany thought Hitler was of great integrity, but that was no indication of his actual character. I hate to invoke Godwin's law so early on, but there you have it.

Ah Nazis, where would Internet discussion boards be without them!

Carl your questions were very good, although I do sit in the camp of less written the better when it comes to secret deals, I do think that a letter confirming that we thought the other deal was not in operation would of been better.

 

[Jars458]

No but if more people think you have integrity than those that think you haven't then you probably have integrity. This is after all the premise of our justice system, that's how a jury works.

What rubbish. At the very least you need a reasonable person test and it seems the majority of Crows supporters who lap up everything the club feeds them could not be considered to be reasonable persons.

 

[Jars458]

You can run for a position on the board if you want.

You really are a joker. Just watch what happens to the three people who put their name up for the board. They will be summarily dismissed without explanation. How do I know? I ran for the board, and it happened to me. I was not allowed to release my supporting info, there was no vote, and no explanation from the Commission as to why I was overlooked. Its a closed shop, and and a boy's club.

 

[Hodgy]

What rubbish. At the very least you need a reasonable person test and it seems the majority of Crows supporters who lap up everything the club feeds them could not be considered to be reasonable persons.

Now there's a great argument. I'm right so everyone else who disagrees are not a reasonable person. Don't get lonely up there on that pedastal mate?

 

[Jars458]

Just because we pleaded guilty doesn't mean the charges were true or accurate. In business myself I have had several times where a client has taken us to court over a total crock of shit complaint but our lawyers have advised doing a deal instead of fighting. This is because the 10% chance that you will lose $100k has to be weighed against giving up $5k in a settlement. This happens all the time and while it absolutely grates to have to give them any satisfaction, it is better for your organisation in the long run. Honestly our Club has done very little wrong here if anything and the unified support that we are showing now is just what good organisations do and will hold us in good stead for the future.

I have regular dealings with 2 of our current board and I can assure you that they both are really good at what they do. I for one am backing their judgement all the way.

These deals are done without admitting liability. Completely different thing to plead guilty to charges and get a penalty based on teh charges being admitted. We can't say we didn't do it and then plead guilty. Surely you can see that??

 

[boffo]

Reid was a rogue, an entity unto himself. He had pissed off most people he worked with. It doesn't surprise me one bit that he would have done this off his own bat. The way Triggy handled it was poor (not getting the rescission in writing) no doubt, but he is no cheat. I understand with the underwriting of TPPs, should they have had to pay any shortfall, it would have been included on reports to the afl.

Thanks Jen, you had hinted at this before, that JR was 'let go', and IIRC he was on the way out before this 'parting gift to the club'. I do find it very hard to believe that Triggy wouldn't be informed, or wouldn't make sure he informed himself of the details of such an important contract though, especially if he thought Reidy was a loose canon.

 

[Jars458]

Now there's a great argument. I'm right so everyone else who disagrees are not a reasonable person. Don't get lonely up there on that pedastal mate?

It often does mate yes. Intergrity isn't an easy thing to have and maintain. And in any case, I am sure there are thousands of people who agree with me, so in this case, its a pretty packed pedestal.

 

[Hodgy]

You really are a joker. Just watch what happens to the three people who put their name up for the board. They will be summarily dismissed without explanation. How do I know? I ran for the board, and it happened to me. I was not allowed to release my supporting info, there was no vote, and no explanation from the Commission as to why I was overlooked. Its a closed shop, and and a boy's club.

Or else you just weren't very good at your job.

 

[Jars458]

Or else you just weren't very good at your job.

Well that's entirely possible but I wasn't given the chance to prove that one way or another

 

[boffo]

Now there's a great argument. I'm right so everyone else who disagrees are not a reasonable person. Don't get lonely up there on that pedastal mate?

Hodgy, it's not being on a pedestal to expect competence from highly paid executives.

 

[Hodgy]

Hodgy, it's not being on a pedestal to expect competence from highly paid executives.

I never said it was. I just pointed out that thinking you are right because the majority of people "don't pass a decent person test in your eyes' does

 

[Hodgy]

It often does mate yes. Intergrity isn't an easy thing to have and maintain. And in any case, I am sure there are thousands of people who agree with me, so in this case, its a pretty packed pedestal.

I think maybe we are starting to see why they thought that you wouldn't make a great member of the board. But I am thankful that we have you out there keeping such a high level of integrity up for the rest of us mere mortals.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Wow, you've obviously scared him Carl

Think it is going to take a long, long time to soin answers to Carl's questions ... & pretty sure there will be some that they don't want to answer!

 

[Jars458]

I think maybe we are starting to see why they thought that you wouldn't make a great member of the board. But I am thankful that we have you out there keeping such a high level of integrity up for the rest of us mere mortals.

Always happy to help lesser beings get better.

 

[MRB37]

Thanks Jen, you had hinted at this before, that JR was 'let go', and IIRC he was on the way out before this 'parting gift to the club'. I do find it very hard to believe that Triggy wouldn't be informed, or wouldn't make sure he informed himself of the details of such an important contract though, especially if he thought Reidy was a loose canon.

That kinda makes the idea of his "parting gift" sound more sinister.

 

[Wood_Duck]

Think it is going to take a long, long time to soin answers to Carl's questions ... & pretty sure there will be some that they don't want to answer!

I reckon he would rather lose a club member than answer those questions.

 

[Smoooothy]

hey carl, did you post these questions that you asked in this thread?

just interested in seeing what they don't want to answer. my old man got answers almost immediately

 

[BrissyCrow]

FWIW Andrew Demetriou thinks we are cheats

http://www.fiveaa.com.au/audio_andrew-demetriou-talks-penalties-to-cornesy-and-rowey_105973

I listened to the interview and I feel that AD thinks the individuals are cheats not the club. There's a slight difference. I also have been reading on the net where people are calling the AFC fans cheats. What a load of horseshit. I dont consider myself a cheat.

 

[boffo]

I think maybe we are starting to see why they thought that you wouldn't make a great member of the board.

I think I can see why they were confident of keeping Triggy without suffering a loss of memberships.

 

[boffo]

That kinda makes the idea of his "parting gift" sound more sinister.

Well, I wasn't implying Reidy was trying to leave us with a dead fish. Wasn't he told to do 'whatever it takes'?

As I've said before, I believe the club would help set up 'commercial income' all the time, and this was not a 'one off mistake', this was a one off because the tippets wanted it in writing and then the relationship with the tippets soured and they were going to expose it.

 

[scottwade]

It's just all the stuff from this thread people have been asking. In hindsight I asked too many questions. Should have kept it to 2-3 key ones.

Dear Carl

Thank you for your email and your support since 1992.

I can understand a level of frustration from some supporters that they believe that there are questions that remain unanswered.
However acting on legal advice, the club is constrained as to what information we can provide in the public domain.
Rest assured the Board has considered the questions you have raised and based on the facts before us we believe our actions before, during and after the AFL Commission hearing have always been undertaken in the best interests of the club.

We have instigated a governance review to ensure our internal procedures are best practice and I wish to make it clear that no members funds will be used to pay any fines or costs in this matter.

Given the circumstances outlined above I hope we can be confident of your continuing support.

Rob Chapman.

 

[MRB37]

Well, I wasn't implying Reidy was trying to leave us with a dead fish. Wasn't he told to do 'whatever it takes'?

As I've said before, I believe the club would help set up 'commercial income' all the time, and this was not a 'one off mistake', this was a one off because the tippets wanted it in writing and then the relationship with the tippets soured and they were going to expose it.

I know you weren't, was just joking about it.

 

[Wood_Duck]

Dear Carl

Thank you for your email and your support since 1992.

I can understand a level of frustration from some supporters that they believe that there are questions that remain unanswered.
However acting on legal advice, the club is constrained as to what information we can provide in the public domain.
Rest assured the Board has considered the questions you have raised and based on the facts before us we believe our actions before, during and after the AFL Commission hearing have always been undertaken in the best interests of the club.

We have instigated a governance review to ensure our internal procedures are best practice and I wish to make it clear that no members funds will be used to pay any fines or costs in this matter.

Given the circumstances outlined above I hope we can be confident of your continuing support.

Rob Chapman.

Thanks Rob.