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[Elite Crow]

But it's not 1 1/2 years is it.

1 and a half seasons then.

 

[Elite Crow]

Kurt and Sydney will very quietly sign a contract extension for an extra two years in the next couple of weeks, if his manager is not to busy. There will be no publicity.

Now that hes there, I hope so and it costs you plenty

 

[Smoooothy]

just on goodes, dont forget half of his wage is tied up being a veteran (i think..)

 

[Elite Crow]

Assuming of course he plays every game once the suspension has ended. Odds are he will need some reserves games to get him up to match fitness. How many? Who knows? So maybe they'll get just 10 games from him in year one. what if he gets injured? Overs if you ask me. Serves them right.

Its even worse than that. Tippett wasnt known for his consistency. So how many good games are they going to be paying him for?

 

[alex_is_on_fire]

1 and a half seasons then.

But it's not even that. He is still paid per season, he just doesn't play.

Hence why they had an article this morning about him earning $70,000 per game based on 11 games. It's not different to paying someone who dopes a knee round 1 and missed 22 weeks. He still gets paid.

Therefore, it's 2 seasons and the averaged will decrease.

 

[Wood_Duck]

Kennedy is supposed to be on $250k

Exactly. Do you reckon the managers of Kennedy, Hannebery, Reid etc aren't salivating at the thought of their next contract negotiation.

 

[Smoooothy]

is there a chance we could throw some coin at sam reid next year perhaps?

 

[MRB37]

is there a chance we could throw some coin at sam reid next year perhaps?

He signed a 5 year deal last year I believe.

 

[alex_is_on_fire]

is there a chance we could throw some coin at sam reid next year perhaps?

As just said, 5 years deal.

However, I hope we throw some massive dollars at Gary Rowan and get getting Dangerfield in his ear about his actual worth.

 

[Elite Crow]

But it's not even that. He is still paid per season, he just doesn't play.

Hence why they had an article this morning about him earning $70,000 per game based on 11 games. It's not different to paying someone who dopes a knee round 1 and missed 22 weeks. He still gets paid.

Therefore, it's 2 seasons and the averaged will decrease.

I know he will get paid. My point is Sydney signed him up for a known 33 games plus finals. They arent paying him to play 44 minor round games plus finals. So its fair to say they have signed him up for effectively one and a half seasons, oh and plenty of training sessions .

 

[Untouchables22]

I think it was $950,000 for year one, to get to Sydney and then $350,000-$400,000 for year 2. Then they will renegotiate a salary.

More like, and then he will go on to fulfill the contract that he signed with GC. It was actually a contract for 2015, and AFGM was right all along.

 

[weekend at bernies]

It's happened plenty of times before (Luke Ball the most recent prominent example).

But he was basically pushed out of St. Kilda because Ross Lyon did not want him there

 

[alex_is_on_fire]

I know he will get paid. My point is Sydney signed him up for a known 33 games plus finals. They arent paying him to play 44 minor round games plus finals. So its fair to say they have signed him up for effectively one and a half seasons, oh and plenty of training sessions .

Do you deliberately go out of your way to be obtuse or is it just a very special talent you have when you quote me?

No club ever signs a player for x amount of games because the club simply doesn't know how many games that player will actually player. There are way too many variable that can change. So they simply sign them year length contract (1,2,3 and in some cases 5) with a hope of getting 22 games out of them plus finals. They have a base salary and then bonus built into them.

In the AFL system, having performance based contracts went out years ago. When clubs had performances based contracts, that was when you could sign someone for X amount of game per season.

So yes, Sydney will only get a maximum of 11 games plus final for Kurt Tippett in 2013 but when they do their salary cap budget, the amount they are willing to pay him will be based in a 12 month period.

 

[rayven]

http://www.triplem.com.au/adelaide/player/

national triple m drive show discussing the swans culture and how tippett will effect that, right now.

 

[weekend at bernies]

In the end of the day.
GOOD RIDDANCE !!!!

 

[alex_is_on_fire]

national triple m drive show discussing the swans culture and how tippett will effect that, right now.

See, before all this shit when down, no one and I mean no one said he was a dick head, a bad egg or anything like that. Yes some supporters said he was over paid and his market value on performance was way too high, but we’re talking about culture.

The most common comment attributed towards Kurt Tippett was, he's a good bloke. He is likable; he gets along with everyone but can come across as being a little bit aloof. That is no issue; Tony Lockett was and still is very aloof.

This brings me to the insinuation that he will railroad the Swans culture away from its stoic and transient ways to a negative individualistic attitude is very baffling.

Now, I get that some Crows people and football supporters are very disappointed in how he left, and this has left a sour taste in the current crow’s player’s mouth but I doubt he was going to be on their Christmas card list anyway. He left. Game over. Very few relationships end in laughter, this was no different.

But now he’s officially gone and living in a city that seems to make him happy. He never wanted to live in Adelaide and only tolerated the city for the money the club was paying him and the bonds he developed at the club. But that certainty isn't anything to worry about in terms of damaging a clubs ethos or how his behaviour will influence the swan’s culture.

Once he is at the club and training, no one will care how much he is getting paid, that won’t influence anyone attitude towards making friends with him and he certainly won’t be ostracised based on a perception some know very little about.

So the question is, how will Kurt Tippett ruin the Swans culture?

EDIT: Sydney supporters, please don't like this as if you think I'm on your side. I'm not. I'm not one of you and I don't post for glory points. I just don't like people transferring anger towards the wrong person and area.

 

[Cap]

I haven't heard a single person suggest Kurt Tippett was a good bloke.

 

[alex_is_on_fire]

I haven't heard a single person suggest Kurt Tippett was a good bloke.

Before he decided to leave, did you hear anyone say he was a bad egg either?

 

[Crowbots are dead]

See, before all this shit when down, no one and I mean no one said he was a dick head, a bad egg or anything like that. Yes some supporters said he was over paid and his market value on performance was way too high, but we’re talking about culture.

The most common comment attributed towards Kurt Tippett was, he's a good bloke. He is likable; he gets along with everyone but can come across as being a little bit aloof. That is no issue; Tony Lockett was and still is very aloof.

This brings me to the insinuation that he will railroad the Swans culture away from its stoic and transient ways to a negative individualistic attitude is very baffling.

Now, I get that some Crows people and football supporters are very disappointed in how he left, and this has left a sour taste in the current crow’s player’s mouth but I doubt he was going to be on their Christmas card list anyway. He left. Game over. Very few relationships end in laughter, this was no different.

But now he’s officially gone and living in a city that seems to make him happy. He never wanted to live in Adelaide and only tolerated the city for the money the club was paying him and the bonds he developed at the club. But that certainty isn't anything to worry about in terms of damaging a clubs ethos or how his behaviour will influence the swan’s culture.

Once he is at the club and training, no one will care how much he is getting paid, that won’t influence anyone attitude towards making friends with him and he certainly won’t be ostracised based on a perception some know very little about.

So the question is, how will Kurt Tippett ruin the Swans culture?

I dont think that people are suggesting that his personality will derail the culture. The big risk is how others react to what has happened, the perception he is in it for himself and his pay packet. If he struggles for form it would be hard to believe that all 40 players on the list would be understanding (including many pemiership players who have legitimate claims for more $). If he rips it up (which would mean kicking goals) then I agree with you it will have no effect on the culture.

 

[Schulzycrow]

Alex, If you think Swan premiership players won't care that he is earning triple their pay you are kidding yourself. They will want their slice of the pie when their contract comes up and all the other clubs will be in the ears of the young guns for the Swans...Tippett is getting this you can get this.

He has all the pressure on him to perform for the $$ he is getting. Now if he can recapture 09 well then it probably won't be a problem. It reportedly got to him being in the fishbowl that is Adelaide...if he doesn't perform, kick the goals he should kick then I think the culture will be eroded and I think this is what most others think as well.

Its all on him and he has shown himself to be mentally weak in this area in the past.

 

[alex_is_on_fire]

I dont think that people are suggesting that his personality will derail the culture. The big risk is how others react to what has happened, the perception he is in it for himself and his pay packet. If he struggles for form it would be hard to believe that all 40 players on the list would be understanding (including many pemiership players who have legitimate claims for more $). If he rips it up (which would mean kicking goals) then I agree with you it will have no effect on the culture.

I don't think it matters if they are a premiership player or not, but did you hear any of those rumblings when he was a Crows player?

Sure, from supporters you did but you are talking about the players making these grips.

 

[fairfooty]

Can't help myself. Culture is essentially the ' way we do things around here' and ' how you get along around here'. It's shared values and beliefs and the unwritten rules around codes of behaviour that exist in all groups.

I could talk about cultural elasticity and brittleness but I'm sure you get the idea.

In recruiting, 'cultural fit' is regraded as the most critical factor for success.

The Swans culture has been defined somewhere as team and self sacrifice. Assuming that's right then IMO there is no worse fit to that sort of culture than a player with values (and behaviour) similar to Tippetts.

We are going to find out just how 'elastic' or 'brittle' the Swans culture really is.

And IMO we've absolutely dodged a bullet with our young playing group.

 

[alex_is_on_fire]

Alex, If you think Swan premiership players won't care that he is earning triple their pay you are kidding yourself. They will want their slice of the pie when their contract comes up and all the other clubs will be in the ears of the young guns for the Swans...Tippett is getting this you can get this.

I actually don't think they will care. This saga has been going on close to 70 days now, don't you think the player would have gone to Longmire or the board and said, we don't want this guy at our club or in our playing group, they would still be picking him up?

Either the culture is very flimsy or the suspect behavior and amount of money Kurt Tippett is reportedly getting isn't an issue.

That culture has been strong enough to weed out some very dominating personalizes, so I suspect the amount of money he is getting isn't an issue. Also, when the time does come to sign these others, Kurt Tippett will be on far less so it won't be an issue.

 

[Crowbots are dead]

Alex, If you think Swan premiership players won't care that he is earning triple their pay you are kidding yourself. They will want their slice of the pie when their contract comes up and all the other clubs will be in the ears of the young guns for the Swans...Tippett is getting this you can get this.

He has all the pressure on him to perform for the $$ he is getting. Now if he can recapture 09 well then it probably won't be a problem. It reportedly got to him being in the fishbowl that is Adelaide...if he doesn't perform, kick the goals he should kick then I think the culture will be eroded and I think this is what most others think as well.

Its all on him and he has shown himself to be mentally weak in this area in the past.

I have heard from some of his former team mates that he is mentally a bit soft. You are spot on that it is funny for someone that perhaps doesnt like the pressure he is quite happy to put a price on his head that is massive overs. The pressure he felt in Adelaide will be NOTHING if he doesnt perform.

 

[alex_is_on_fire]

The Swans culture has been defined somewhere as team and self sacrifice. Assuming that's right then IMO there is no worse fit to that sort of culture than a player with values (and behaviour) similar to Tippetts.

What values, what behaviors?

He values can not cont into question. He played his part over the 3 years of his contract and what behavior issue? just because he didn't want to live in Adelaide, doesn't mean he behaved poorly. The Crows offered him a very good deal and a way out at the end of this contract and at this time - he asked to go. Don't blame him for asking the Adelaide Football Club to hold up the end of there bargain FFS.

That was the deal and he wanted to leave.

Other than the questionable text, his behavior hasn't been any different.