Tonights umpiring thread !

[MrChristo]

Pretty vocal bunch for 2 teams that could barely win a game aren't you!!

Is that like me saying that I used to feel sorry for Richmond being shit, until they took Muppet McMahon off our hands and gifted us with Callan Ward?

As for Saints fans, you might want to worry more about next week, where (hopefully!!) it will be 22 on 22, not 25.

No **** off morons.

 

[MrChristo]

Bitter and irellevant. Typical bulldogs comment. I know my team are rubbish but it has nothing to do with what you're all crying about. Will you smile if St Kilda beat Geelong?

I notice none of you intuders are actually denying anything that is being said here?...and I'm not entirely sure how you can even contemplate calling others out for sooking with Richo and Joel Bowden as club leaders...

Bitter? Kevin Bartlett and a whole host of others along the track...RFC breeds bitterness...

Curl up and die.

 

[Bodicifer]

I felt sorry for the dogs last night. Heartbreaking loss.

Not anymore, though. Too many unrealistic bitching supporters. Too often, I feel that some of the dogs fans let the club down by playing victim and complaining about things that they are wrong about.

Sure, the decision at the start of the 3rd quarter was soft, but why the hell did Lake even do it? Quite a dumb thing to do.

And Aker admitted to the deliberate decision on 'Before the Game'.

AND please stop questioning Riewoldt's integrity just because you are bitter about him winning the game for St Kilda. He is a champion and much less of an actor than Brad Johnson.

All the best for next year.

a) you obviously didn't see the Riewoldt/Lake incident nor listen to Aker on Before The Game stating that the umpire said that if one of them is bumped and falls to the ground he is going to pay a free kick. If McInerney the cheat paid that then he should have paid about 3 others every game to every team.

b) Riewoldt is a champion player, absolute gun. Would love him at the Dogs. He is kissed on the c*ck by a lot of umpires though

c) Richmond supporters are the quickest to turn on their own, cut up their memberships.

c) what are you doing on our board anyway? Your season finished in about round 5. Shouldn't you and Weagles Fan be snorting lines with Cuz?

 

[Jimthegreat]

Doggies had it all going against them. Umpires, kicking at goal and unlucky in the end. If only you'd put through those one's against Geelong you'd have been playing Collingwood this weekend, won, giving us the Cinderalla GF we should've had in 1997.

Everyone would like to see the Dogs win one (except against my team of course but it would make it more bearable).

 

[LondonBulldog]

Ward also had contact to the head in a marking contest 45 metres from goal in the last quarter


Few decisions went against us. I hate the delibrite rule. You can run the ball over the line if there is pressure when you have opportunity to keep the ball in yet Aker is paid when he kicks it 40 metres?

Yet overall couldn't care less about the umpires. Its a loser mentality, fact is we had enough of the play to win it, yet our forward structure is still wrong and has been for years. Time to do something about it.

 

[Bodicifer]

Ward also had contact to the head in a marking contest 45 metres from goal in the last quarter


Few decisions went against us. I hate the delibrite rule. You can run the ball over the line if there is pressure when you have opportunity to keep the ball in yet Aker is paid when he kicks it 40 metres?

Yet overall couldn't care less about the umpires. Its a loser mentality, fact is we had enough of the play to win it, yet our forward structure is still wrong and has been for years. Time to do something about it.

Disagree...I think what last night higlighted was tghat we can match it with anyone and that if McInerney was not umpiring the result could have been different. Riewoldt kicked 4, one from a gift, one off the ground, and 2 from power forward marks. Kosi did nothing, Gardiner did nothing (up forward), King did nothing (up forward).

 

[NoName]

God you bunch of sooks..

Go back to your own board you idiot. The Aints played their Grand Final last night will get pumped next week.

 

[MrChristo]

Disagree...I think what last night higlighted was tghat we can match it with anyone and that if McInerney was not umpiring the result could have been different. Riewoldt kicked 4, one from a gift, one off the ground, and 2 from power forward marks. Kosi did nothing, Gardiner did nothing (up forward), King did nothing (up forward).

Post of the year!

(Except for all those post where I posted [effectively] the same post! )

 

[LondonBulldog]

Bodicifer,

What our skill, fast movement with a power forward we would have been 5 goals in front at quarter time. Its not what power forwards did for st.kilda its what they didn't do for us!!!!

 

[_STREET_]

worst decision ever. absolutely pathetic.
that flog should never be allowed to umpire a game ever again

 

[Bodicifer]

Bodicifer,

What our skill, fast movement with a power forward we would have been 5 goals in front at quarter time. Its not what power forwards did for st.kilda its what they didn't do for us!!!!

I know where you are coming from but I don't think the game was lost by us last night because we didn't have a power forward. My argument is that if McInerney the cheat wasn't umpiring we more than likely would have won and everyone would be saying "see, you don't need a 'power forward' to win big finals games". Yes it would be very very very nice to have Nick Riewoldt in a Bulldogs jumper but I disagree that we lost because we didn't have one. I normally don't blame umpires for things given that they normally stuff up but it tends to go both ways. Last night was a disgrace from McInerney. Chmaberlain and McBurney did a god job but McInerney should be asked to hand in his whistle.

 

[MrChristo]

Ever seen this in your lifetime?

On a slightly serious note, it does show a couple of things...

i) Consistancy means nothing...
ii) Finishing top 2 means everything!!

Eagles from 02 went...
Low finals finish, bundled out early...
...03, 04...ditto...
05, top 2, lost GF.
06 top...won GF.
07 high finish, bundled out in straight sets.
08, 09 gutter trash.

Top 2 is where it's at. Whether it be the week off, or simply that you're better than the 'rest'...
...we're just not quite there...

 

[MrChristo]

Bodicifer,

What our skill, fast movement with a power forward we would have been 5 goals in front at quarter time. Its not what power forwards did for st.kilda its what they didn't do for us!!!!

If anything, I believe you have your argument the wrong way around.

First quarter we had all the play, an open forward line...missed a couple of easy ones on the run.

In the second half we unfortunately occassionally resorted to bombing long to nothing...but again, as has already been said;
a) How often were we outmarked?
b) How well did equivalent Kosi go up the other end?
c) More shots at goal against the perceived "perfect" forwardline, so not sure what anyone could expect.

St. Kilda played exactly the same game we did...despite having 2 monster forwards...
...sure, Riewoldt had 10+ marks...but 7-8 of them on the wing, so who cares?! Murphy does the very same thing for us.
Again, as has been said, he ony really kicked 2 goals...

Given they had Riewoldt, Kosi, King and Gardiner...and most of the time none of them played forward of the ball, it proves that big forwards are a thing of the past, or at best, an after thought.

We won every battle out there (*slump*...besides the 'yellow' ones), but somehow (not!), lost the war.

 

[Zeno The Great]

I really also reluctant to post here, as i think umpires very rarely influence results. Last night was the first time in my life, i actually contemplated that there could be a fix - i know it is 99% unlikely, but never in my life have i seen such blatant umpiring. I watched the game with 9 otehr supporters, all neutral supporters, and everyone was asking what the hell is going on, many of them were also asking if there had been millions placed on the game.

It is not the saints fault that they got the frees, the only st kilda person who should be ashamed is Riewoldt, he lost respect of everyone of us in the room last night going down like he had been shot twice in the 3rd quarter from tiny bumps.

I actually couldn't care less who wins next week, but there needs to be something done by the AFL to ensure those yellow maggots never officiate again and ruin the hopes and dreams of so many thousands of people. The saints 3 or 4 goals from the terrible decisions was teh difference at the end of the game.

Shatterd and discusted.

 

[flamethrower]

Shane McInerney virtually handed St Kilda 3 of their 1st 4 goals.

1. Holding the ball/incorrect disposal against Shaggy. WTF he kicked the ball as he was being tackled.

2. Free kick to Tim Callan in 2nd Q. Was paid where the incident occurred, rather than where the ball was at the time, despite McInerney being told by Steve McBurney that the free kick should be down field. You can clearly hear this on the umpire's microphone. Callan turned the ball over, resulting in McQualter's goal, when the ball should have been on the wing.

3. The Riewoldt dive. It wasn't smart play by Brian, but I suppose their is an expectation that an AFL footballer would not flop after such minimal contact.

However, we should not have been in the position to allow these "free kicks" to influence the results. A return of 3.9.27 in the 1st and last quarters cost us the game.

1997, 2008, 2009....deja vu all over again.

 

[RedWhite&Blue]

My two cents worth;

In a tight tough game with so much pressure, the free kick paid to Riewoldt was a disgraceful, inconsistent, momentum changing decision. That sort of contact was happening all around the ground all night. Why would the Lake incident be plucked out? It was hero call by McInerney, nothing more nothing less. To quote a previous coach, if he gets a GF berth I'll spew.

Unfortunately key decisions seemed to go against us all night. The first goal to StKilda in the second quarter when Shaggy clearly kicked the ball, was simply staggering and managed to kickstart St Kilda.

The holding the ball decision against Ward on the boundary line was a terrible decision, particularly when the umpires refused all night to pay more blatant free kicks for holding the ball against St Kilda...Steven Baker anyone.

The obvious over the shoulder ruck infringement to Hudson late in the game should have been paid.

The deliberate out of bounds against Aker was a legitimate decision. Aker's intent was clear.

The last Riewoldt goal was touched but there is no way it could have been called so. The Eagleton kick appeared to be a goal but it is difficult to be certain when it's that close.

The reality is we had our chances. The difference between winning and losing was Riewoldt (despite Morris's might job) but I have no doubt we were the better team in general play. Sometimes there is no justice in the world and we appear to be the victims too often.

Are you ****ing serious??? What planet are you from. That descision was the most incosistent, bullsh1t descision this year. The guy kicked it 50 metres into clear space and you actually beleive it was a correct descision. That descision alone turned the game, I was there and witnessed it. Bulldogs players caught unawares because it was a regulation ball-in. At least 4 times after this Saints players paddled the ball out of bounds and no free. Your not nearly living up to your name 'Always Right' maybe change your username to 'Totally wrong'.

 

[BBBaz]

It is a sure sign that something stinks with the umpiring when you can show up at the game, look at the list of umpires and think "shit, we're going to be up against it tonight. To be honest, while I was incredibly angry and frustrated about the umpiring, I was never really surprised. We have been screwed on a number of occasions by those pr*cks - the only real surprise was the extent of the incompetence. Realistically though, nothing will happen. No action will be taken, and it really wouldn't be a surprise if those muppets got the job again next week. By Monday, this issue will be dead and buried as far as the media and the AFL are concerned and us (the players, club and supporters) will be left to deal with the fallout. Now if Collingwood had been screwed so comprehensively by the umpires there would be a royal commission into it. Of course, it wouldn't be allowed to happen to Collingwood in the first place would it?

 

[RedWhite&Blue]

Disagree...I think what last night higlighted was tghat we can match it with anyone and that if McInerney was not umpiring the result could have been different. Riewoldt kicked 4, one from a gift, one off the ground, and 2 from power forward marks. Kosi did nothing, Gardiner did nothing (up forward), King did nothing (up forward).

Yes, but we don't have next week to capitalise on it. When you are in a cut-throat final it is totally irrelevant if you have proved you can mix it with the best... but still lose. That's why it is so frustrating, no one except Bulldogs supporters really give a F$ck that we were hard done by the umpires. What's the saying, 'Winners are grinners and losers can please themselves' unfortunatelty there is no recourse in footy for bad umpiring descisions. You just have to bend over and take whatever they give you.

 

[SonOfScray]

Yes, but we don't have next week to capitalise on it. When you are in a cut-throat final it is totally irrelevant if you have proved you can mix it with the best... but still lose. That's why it is so frustrating, no one except Bulldogs supporters really give a F$ck that we were hard done by the umpires. What's the saying, 'Winners are grinners and losers can please themselves' unfortunatelty there is no recourse in footy for bad umpiring descisions. You just have to bend over and take whatever they give you.

Agree. The lesson therefore is to take that stuff out of the equation.

Learn how to kick goals Dogs, set a new standard. Or play blokes that can do it.

 

[Max469]

It will be hard game for the Scumpires in the Grandfinal.

They will be umpiring the 2 most protected protected species of the 2009 season.

They will be confused, because they wont know who to give the decision too.

I don't usually comment on them but this was an important game for both teams - consistency should have been the key.

The Lake / Roo debacle was a joke - if that is how they wanted it played why was it not done on Sat night - because the same thing happened - hello, no free.

It is all over now - next year is another year.


That all being said, we had our chances, our kicking for goal all year has been off - this didn't change of Friday night.

 

[Coooooooneyyyyyyyy]

If anything, I believe you have your argument the wrong way around.

First quarter we had all the play, an open forward line...missed a couple of easy ones on the run.

In the second half we unfortunately occassionally resorted to bombing long to nothing...but again, as has already been said;
a) How often were we outmarked?
b) How well did equivalent Kosi go up the other end?
c) More shots at goal against the perceived "perfect" forwardline, so not sure what anyone could expect.

St. Kilda played exactly the same game we did...despite having 2 monster forwards...
...sure, Riewoldt had 10+ marks...but 7-8 of them on the wing, so who cares?! Murphy does the very same thing for us.
Again, as has been said, he ony really kicked 2 goals...

Given they had Riewoldt, Kosi, King and Gardiner...and most of the time none of them played forward of the ball, it proves that big forwards are a thing of the past, or at best, an after thought.

We won every battle out there (*slump*...besides the 'yellow' ones), but somehow (not!), lost the war.

To be honest i thought Morris did a great job on Riewoldt.

 

[GetDimmaBack]

Having read through all posts here, one thing is evident...

To all apologist, umpire justifying Saints fans on this thread:

You are not defending yourself against Dogs supporters alone.
The rest of the league agrees with us!

 

[Jimthegreat]

Are you F*cking serious??? What planet are you from. That descision was the most incosistent, bullsh1t descision this year. The guy kicked it 50 metres into clear space and you actually beleive it was a correct descision. That descision alone turned the game, I was there and witnessed it. Bulldogs players caught unawares because it was a regulation ball-in. At least 4 times after this Saints players paddled the ball out of bounds and no free. Your not nearly living up to your name 'Always Right' maybe change your username to 'Totally wrong'.

That might have been all well and good until Aker himself admitted on Before The Game that his aim was solely for the boundary. They've paid those types of "deliberates" all year.

Interesting too Reiwoldt's kick off the ground was touched BUT Reiwoldt's boot was still on the ball. Nice close up of the kick and the bent fingers. Fingers would've been off the ball once Reiwoldt had finished kicking it meaning a goal. A nice close up of that on the Footy Show.

 

[Alpha Male]

Re: ARSE wipe umpire !

I'm a fairly laid back sort of guy, but if I hear one person over the next few days defend AFL umpires, I will smash their face to kingdom come. Critical decisions throughout the night favoured St Kilda, regardless of the overall free count, which I have no stat for anyway. Critical "holding the ball" (actually incorrect disposal) - Hargrave penalised whenhe kicked it, on three occasions, at least, Saints players were tackled with prior opportunity and dropped the ball one-handed - no penalty. Morris's mark against that soft **** on the Southern stand wing. Why should I instruct my children to have any respect for those little yellow , seriously?? Jeff Gieschen, you are a ****ing moronic arsewipe, you useless goat-****er. I feel better now, think I might read a book before bed.

It's fans like you that are a blight on the game.

Yes it was written in the heat of the moment and I'm sure that now, a couple days later, you would be more than ready to take back these two statements but really let's be honest, even if you did mean it, you can't back it up.

I came on here to offer empathy. I was hoping that maybe a few of you guys would jump on board our bandwagon as a fellow "hard-luck" club.

I don't care how close the game is. 1 point or 100. The umpires are not the reason a team EVER loses. If the Dogs kicked straight in the first quarter the game may have turned out differently.

I hope that you don't teach your kids to be umpire bashers.

You still have a job, home and a family that I'm sure you love. Yes it would be heart breaking to think about Fridays game but in reality it has no impact on your life what so ever.

Like I said I didn't come on here to troll. Most of you have my sympathy and empathy.

Good luck for next season.

 

[davo ramone]

Re: ARSE wipe umpire !

It's fans like you that are a blight on the game.

Yes it was written in the heat of the moment and I'm sure that now, a couple days later, you would be more than ready to take back these two statements but really let's be honest, even if you did mean it, you can't back it up.

I came on here to offer empathy. I was hoping that maybe a few of you guys would jump on board our bandwagon as a fellow "hard-luck" club.

I don't care how close the game is. 1 point or 100. The umpires are not the reason a team EVER loses. If the Dogs kicked straight in the first quarter the game may have turned out differently.

I hope that you don't teach your kids to be umpire bashers.

You still have a job, home and a family that I'm sure you love. Yes it would be heart breaking to think about Fridays game but in reality it has no impact on your life what so ever.

Like I said I didn't come on here to troll. Most of you have my sympathy and empathy.

Good luck for next season.

Dont come here,moralise and then expect us welcome you with open arms.

Empathy? **** off!

If you didnt get the help from the umpires you wouldnt have been back in the game! But I'm forgeting something, you guys played poorly and we played out of our skins