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Kahuna

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Listening to the last bit of a convo on SEN and they raised a few good points about the Tennis heat policy.

-They get a break every three games, while cricket players play for hours without a break.
-They don't play if it is too hot so why should a fire fighter in full uniform just go home because it is too hot.

Discuss!
 
Kahuna said:
Listening to the last bit of a convo on SEN and they raised a few good points about the Tennis heat policy.

-They get a break every three games, while cricket players play for hours without a break.
-They don't play if it is too hot so why should a fire fighter in full uniform just go home because it is too hot.

Discuss!
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- Playing tennis is a lot more strenuous than playing cricket.
- Playing tennis isn't a matter of life and death
 
Keep in mind the rubber courts radiate the heat and it gets very very very hot out there, and it's bad enough just sitting in it, running around for hours in the direct sunlight in temperatures that would be upward of 60-70 degrees is inhuman
 
la47 said:
Keep in mind the rubber courts radiate the heat and it gets very very very hot out there, and it's bad enough just sitting in it, running around for hours in the direct sunlight in temperatures that would be upward of 60-70 degrees is inhuman
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Ever batted for a couple of hours on a 40 degree day? I wish you could go get a drink and sit in the shade every few minutes, tennis players are all over paid whingers.
 

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i agree that tennis players get much longer and substantial breaks than cricketers but calling them overpaid whingers, i woudnt go that far. Playing tennis on a 40 degree day is = to just over 50 degrees on court i'm led to believe which is just unreal.
Both sports are extreml;y difficult to play in such heat and players should be applauded for the efforts they make in such extreme conditions. Getting a few more breaks here and there for their efforts should be accepted.
 
Power21 said:
Ever batted for a couple of hours on a 40 degree day? I wish you could go get a drink and sit in the shade every few minutes, tennis players are all over paid whingers.
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There is a big difference in playing a couple of hours of tennis and batting for a couple of hours.I do both so i know the difference.Have you tried serving at 200 kph with a 65lbs (racket tension)? it will kill your shoulder if you are not trained to do it plus all the strain that goes with the serving motion.It can take a lot out of you. In a 3 set match, according to the stats a play runs anywhere between 20-25 miles.I play club tennis here in europe and when its like 35 C its impossible to play more than an hour.
 
I think its a bit of both. Yeah, the players safety should always be paramount, but I'm pretty sure the organisers who devised the EHP would have been aware of how much the players could cope with. Add to that that tennis players are notorious for being whingers (and overpaid, and prententious, but thats another story) and you dont really know what to believe. Someone like Sharapova coming out and having a whinge doesnt really say much- we are talking about a player known for having a whinge at other players, grunting (think of the energy THAT takes out, and not getting along with anyone). But when a guy like Federer comes out and says something you do take notice more (and FWIW he did say that sometimes they have to bite the bullet and play even though it may be very uncomfortable). And yet when Sampras and Hingis won in 1997 the temperature were even higher- and yet I dont seem to recall any controversy over heat then.
I have played tennis for 12 years, in 40 degree heat, and while it is very tough and very draining, it is not health threatening if you take the proper precautions (fluids, breaks, appropriate shading, etc.) These are elite sportsmen and women at peak fitness- what you and I can stand doesn't really apply, a higher standard should naturally be set.
 
Who says you have to have a state of the art roof?

Just stick up a shadecloth :D
 
Kahuna said:
Listening to the last bit of a convo on SEN and they raised a few good points about the Tennis heat policy.

-They get a break every three games, while cricket players play for hours without a break.
-They don't play if it is too hot so why should a fire fighter in full uniform just go home because it is too hot.

Discuss!
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Top argument you've got here kahuna.

1) Tennis players get a break of 90 seconds each change of ends which is after every two games, not three.

2) Cricketers get a 5 min drinks break each hour and at the end of the second hour go off for either a) Lunch 40 min, b) Tea - 20 minutes or c) go home, end of the day.

But there is another aspect not discussed by anyone yet, and that is while the professional players get well paid (a first round loser receives $19,000+ including meal vouchers, free transport and many other perks) which is not bad for an hour or two's work, is the staff needed to run the event so the players get paid.

Not only were the players on the court but the umpire, linespeople, ball kids, court security and various match officials. They dont get paid anything like the money a professional gets but are expected to remain upright and on the job even if the temp on court hits 50c. Further up in the stands more security, FOH staff & Supervisors are expected to remain in position, in the sun just doing their job.

So the heat ruling is not just for the so called "overpaid, soft, whingers" (the players) but the safety for the many staff needed to get and keep each match running.

As regards your firefighters example well.... doesnt really deserve discussing.
 
RustyHawk said:
Top argument you've got here kahuna.

1) Tennis players get a break of 90 seconds each change of ends which is after every two games, not three.

2) Cricketers get a 5 min drinks break each hour and at the end of the second hour go off for either a) Lunch 40 min, b) Tea - 20 minutes or c) go home, end of the day.

But there is another aspect not discussed by anyone yet, and that is while the professional players get well paid (a first round loser receives $19,000+ including meal vouchers, free transport and many other perks) which is not bad for an hour or two's work, is the staff needed to run the event so the players get paid.

Not only were the players on the court but the umpire, linespeople, ball kids, court security and various match officials. They dont get paid anything like the money a professional gets but are expected to remain upright and on the job even if the temp on court hits 50c. Further up in the stands more security, FOH staff & Supervisors are expected to remain in position, in the sun just doing their job.

So the heat ruling is not just for the so called "overpaid, soft, whingers" (the players) but the safety for the many staff needed to get and keep each match running.

As regards your firefighters example well.... doesnt really deserve discussing.
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You missed an important point, cricket players (not batters), can go off the field whenever the want to, as long as its under 30 minutes and not more than 3 times a day.

Linesman are subject to change every hour.

Another important fact is the tough scheduling of tennis season.Most of the players are coming from another tournament and considering tennis basically has no offseason, you cannot compare it to cricket.Its a ridiculous argument to claim playing cricket for 2 hours is the same as playing tennis for 2 hours (competitive tennis that is)
 
You can't really comment unless you actually properly play both sports, what TP said is absolutely correct. Tennis is far more strenuous than Cricket.
 
Total Power said:
There is a big difference in playing a couple of hours of tennis and batting for a couple of hours.I do both so i know the difference.Have you tried serving at 200 kph with a 65lbs (racket tension)? it will kill your shoulder if you are not trained to do it plus all the strain that goes with the serving motion.It can take a lot out of you. In a 3 set match, according to the stats a play runs anywhere between 20-25 miles.I play club tennis here in europe and when its like 35 C its impossible to play more than an hour.
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The average 3 set match goes for 2 hours 20 minutes say, give or take 20 minutes?

And you say 'stats' say a player can run 20-25 miles...That freakin 32 to 40 km :rolleyes: in 2 and third hours :cool: give or take

The best runners in the world do 42km in 2 hours 8 minutes, olympic atheletes who train for this soley

Therefore take away the time the players swap ends have breaks and etc they cover this distance in less time than the quickest people on earth :eek:

I think i'm going to call bull******** on this one
 

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Total ponce

I was responding to this comment from Kahuna "-They get a break every three games, while cricket players play for hours without a break." Not sure where to find. Try post no1.

I never made the comparison of two hrs cricket vs two hours tennis so essentially your whole post is a waste of space and time... pretty much just like you.

One final point

Wow, you have BOTH a tennis racket and a cricket bat and you've even played both WOW you must be some sorta hero. :p

Remember, come to SA where they dont have the AFL Grand Final, Aussie Grand Prix, Australian Open, World Swiming Champs etc etc etc.
 
somthing people forget

On rebound ace especailly the court temp is around 25-30 degrees hotter than air temp

ie 30 degrees in the air is almost 60 degrees on court

imagine what 40+ degrees is like :eek:

No matter what the sport, the players health and safety must come first
 
If players don't like it, don't come down to Melbourne. It is always hot in January. If you don't like the heat, don't play in it, simple. Tennis is also 'survival of the fittest'.

The tennis players of the last 10 years or so have played in the same conditions and they did not whinge about it. I think some players just can't handle it.
 

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Power21 said:
Ever batted for a couple of hours on a 40 degree day? I wish you could go get a drink and sit in the shade every few minutes, tennis players are all over paid whingers.
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Typical idiotic comment.Comparing playing cricket and tennis in 40 degree heat just proves what a moron you are
 
Bombers_Forever said:
If players don't like it, don't come down to Melbourne. It is always hot in January. If you don't like the heat, don't play in it, simple. Tennis is also 'survival of the fittest'.

The tennis players of the last 10 years or so have played in the same conditions and they did not whinge about it. I think some players just can't handle it.
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maybe we can play the French Open in Paris now (it would be cold) and play the Australian Open here in June
 

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