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I only like Lateralus now. It's therapeutic...the lyrics are kind of inspiring.

can sometimes listen to Undertow, really can't stand 10 000 Days.
 
As a Radiohead and Tool fan, I am seriously over having to deal with claims of elitism.

It's rock and roll FFS. If ya like it, then fine. If ya don't then fine...just check your unnecessary inferiority complex at the door!
 

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Ed_Gein said:
.... that people rate so highly?

Personally think most of their fans have mass wankfests over them. But why do they insist on being elitist pricks most of the time?

I'm not going to lie and tell you i like TOOL, i used to, but then for some reason Maynard turned me off the music. (Maybe because he is a pretentious tool.)

Any special reason why the music is looked at with a deeper meaning rather than whats on offer at face value? I really don't buy it.

Even though i don't really like TOOL i can sit and have a listen and take the blinkers off and take a balanced view on it. Yes i have a couple of their albums and have seen them live.

Enlighten me (some of you) elitest TOOL fans, what is it about them that makes them (Supposedly) so much better musically and everything else you spit garbage out about them, than everyone else.
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I love Tool, but can't be ****ed explaining why to you.

Can you give an example?
 
FIGJAM said:
As a Radiohead and Tool fan, I am seriously over having to deal with claims of elitism.

It's rock and roll FFS. If ya like it, then fine. If ya don't then fine...just check your unnecessary inferiority complex at the door!
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Mastablingbling said:
I love Tool, but can't be ****ed explaining why to you.
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Exactly.
 
Magnum said:
They're good, but I think people overrate them because they haven't been exposed to all that's out there and its their first taste of 'complex' music.
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Don't buy that at all. I have a ****load of prog-rock/prog-metal albums (or whatever "Complex" music is defined as), but I always come back to Lateralus as one of my all time favourites.

Why? I guess I could do the typical tool fan thing and go on about fibonacci sequence, Faaip De Oaid conspiracy theories and that fact that most people don't have the intelligence to properly understand, let alone could they begin to comprehend their utter brilliance, but instead I'll just say it's solid songwriting throughout the whole album. I'm a sucker for the loud and soft transitions, gradual builds and epic climaxes and this album is packed with them and they are all done to perfection. The lyrics are great, despite the subject matter going well over my head. And it features one of my favourite vocalists at his absolute peak.

At any length, I don't feel the need to explain to someone why they are one of my favourite bands, especially when this someone is willing to dismiss a band because the lead singer comes off as "pretentious"...

Yes, how shocking, a pretentious prog rock/metal lead singer.... :rolleyes:
 

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FIGJAM said:
As a Radiohead and Tool fan, I am seriously over having to deal with claims of elitism.

It's rock and roll FFS. If ya like it, then fine. If ya don't then fine...just check your unnecessary inferiority complex at the door!
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Gee, you are EXACTLY like me.

Do you also like, say, Pink Floyd, Wilco, etc.
 
Magnum said:
They're good, but I think people overrate them because they haven't been exposed to all that's out there and its their first taste of 'complex' music. It's like how people think Danny Carey is the greatest drummer in living memory.
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Danny Carey isn't the best drummer on the planet, but he is a seriously good one actively practicing and writing coherent music in a band, rather than having to record and sell wankfest drum videos that would have been sold in stores like Brashs in the 90's, and now over-populate YouTube. Bonham may not have been the best ever either, but he laid tracks like Kashmir and No Quarter, and thus if he were alive today, I'd give him a hand job for it!

Irrespective, it's difficult to argue that they are devoid of talent. As I said in the "Overrated Bands" thread, there is a difference between disliking a band and them being overrated. Tool are collectively pretty talented irrespective of whether you like them or not.

And in terms of their "formula" (influences), they kind of effectively crossed over heavy metal with prog rock, which have always been generally liked in equal measure by similar types. That's not to say it hadn't been done before by the likes of Dream Theatre, but Tool had a pretty good pop sensibility and crossed over well with the post-grungers (ie. lacking the 1980's hair band factor).

Again, it's just rock and roll and if ya don't like em, don't listen to em. And just because they are popular against your opinion doesn't mean there is some sort of elitist club either.
 
Good on you Danny Carey.

There seems to be a plague like hatred over this band atm like an Essendon bandwagon but I'd take Tools music over the slosh Metallica are producing atm any day of the week.
 
10KD was a fall from grace,but Aenima was godly for its time and some of it still is, and Lateralus is better than 99% of the music out there. And yes, i HAVE heard all the music out there. Close enough anyway.

Anyway, even the most elitist TOOL fan is deluding themselves if they think 10KD was anything other than a steaming **** compared to Lateralus and Aenima.
 
I don't think calling Tool fans elitists is really all that accurate. From my own view I would say i like the idea of the two distinct styles of play which they bring together to form an album which can give the feel of a journey. Lateralus is a good example of this. Even the title track in itself takes you on a bit of a journey with lots of nice twists and changes. Sometimes quiet and sometimes powerful. They also have the ability to bring out a brilliant powerful song such as Vicarious.

So I would say yes i do expect a lot from them and i do like how in depth their music goes but I wouldn't say that make me as a fan an elitist. Compare this to say a Madonna album and you can see that one is more about putting out pop hits that sound good on the radio or video hits etc.. whilst one is more concerned with coming out with an overall great sound or perhaps trying to fulfill a musical idea. Also Maynard's lyrics are personal and very well written. He writes about things which he feels passionate about. Tool fans are still trying to figure out what all the songs are about but many of them are quiet clever and in many cases quiet complex just as the music is.

Pink Floyd fans have copped the elitist tag for years and like Figjam said so have Radiohead fans. I'm a Muse fan as well and I notice they seem to cop the tag to some degree as well. I guess if you are a fan of a style of music which wants to go further then just your normal radio friendly pop then people may see that as being somewhat superior. Perhaps it is more a case of them feeling inferior?

I guess it all comes down to personal taste. Some people are happy to play Mariah Carey or whatever the latest is and some of us like to search a little further. Then again many of us play a bit of everything. I actually have a large amount of Bob Dylan so nothing wrong with a bit of variety.
 

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Suspense said:
Don't buy that at all. I have a ****load of prog-rock/prog-metal albums (or whatever "Complex" music is defined as), but I always come back to Lateralus as one of my all time favourites.

Why? I guess I could do the typical tool fan thing and go on about fibonacci sequence, Faaip De Oaid conspiracy theories and that fact that most people don't have the intelligence to properly understand, let alone could they begin to comprehend their utter brilliance, but instead I'll just say it's solid songwriting throughout the whole album. I'm a sucker for the loud and soft transitions, gradual builds and epic climaxes and this album is packed with them and they are all done to perfection. The lyrics are great, despite the subject matter going well over my head. And it features one of my favourite vocalists at his absolute peak.

At any length, I don't feel the need to explain to someone why they are one of my favourite bands, especially when this someone is willing to dismiss a band because the lead singer comes off as "pretentious"...

Yes, how shocking, a pretentious prog rock/metal lead singer.... :rolleyes:
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Good post! :thumbsu: I'm a massive Tool fan, the thing that I really like about them is they stand up to analysis at all levels. If you want to really go deep you can find all sorts of interesting stuff (like the Fibonacci sequence for the beat pattern in Lateralus) but you can still enjoy them on the surface (the simplicity of the Stinkfist riff is awesome too!)

I try not to be a Tool fanboy, i know how annoying they are, they're just good. And if you don't like em fair enough, plenty of people don't.
 
Hell I'm a music elitist and proud of it.

My post wasn't to rip on Tool, they are one of my favourite bands. Aenima is one of the greatest albums created.

Any band like tool who find a reasonable degree of commercial success will always be overated because as I said mainstream listeners don't know any better and hear this quality music that they've never heard before, they think it's the greatest music since sliced bread & they suddenly think they're some kind of 'muso' by listening to it.

It's like how people think Halo is the greatest FPS of all time (to use a computer game analogy)

So I'm certainly not ripping on tool, just explaining how they can be 'overrated'... I just think there a plenty of equally talented bands out there who are never heard and have absoutley no 'hype' about them.
 
The long and the short of it is this - Some people like 'em and their weirdo live shows (see Maynard standing at the back of the stage at BDO a few years ago) and some people don't.
Personally, I like 'em. I like the weirdo stage shows and the stuff that Maynard has done over the years(painting himself, business card of "jesus h christ, denials about everything regarding marriage, kids etc). Why? They keep things interesting and lack the "blandness" of some more mainstream bands (Creed etc) and do things their own way.
However I can also accept that Maynard's a bit weird and that they s**t people!
 
While already having a respect for the music, I'm about to submerge myself over the next month in all the albums (I now have the catalogue, ioncluding bootlegs, etc), their history, approach for musical inspiration for writing, etc. Is there some good sources out there?
 
Ed_Gein said:
.... that people rate so highly?

Personally think most of their fans have mass wankfests over them. But why do they insist on being elitist pricks most of the time?

I'm not going to lie and tell you i like TOOL, i used to, but then for some reason Maynard turned me off the music. (Maybe because he is a pretentious tool.)

Any special reason why the music is looked at with a deeper meaning rather than whats on offer at face value? I really don't buy it.

Even though i don't really like TOOL i can sit and have a listen and take the blinkers off and take a balanced view on it. Yes i have a couple of their albums and have seen them live.

Enlighten me (some of you) elitest TOOL fans, what is it about them that makes them (Supposedly) so much better musically and everything else you spit garbage out about them, than everyone else.
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I love Tool cause its something different. Much more based on rhythm rather than melody which would not suit all listeners as it is somewhat an aquired taste.
 

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