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[jod23]

Gee Dutchy those red and black glasses are shocking, everytime you put them you make rediculous remarks

 

[The Dutchman!]

Hay, butt att letch ey caan schpell!!

 

[Seth]

This will always spark much debate. But seriously, Tony WOODS - That has just been added for comedy right!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

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[Blues2001]

Originally posted by The Dutchman!:
Pretty much agree with TD - pretty good attempt all in all (leaving aside Woods and absences noted).

I'm not game to do one myself (hats off for trying - its too hard to do it justice from London) but I would rate Kouta and Hird as joint top on last year's form, then Carey, Buckley, Voss and Grant in no particular order.

Putting on the red and black glasses...

Fletcher is top 10
Lloyd and Mercuri are both top 15
Misiti, Caracella, Blumfield, both Johnstons, Hardwick and Solomon on 2000 form should all be in at least the top 50 if not 40 - you can't tell me you'd say no to any of those guys... Heffernan and Wellman just miss out...

On other fronts, McKay and Ratten are both top 15 material but Whitnall needs to develop his game for longer IMHO.

Re: Wirra (like Kelly) - when fit - top 20 and higher - when injured - not in the top 50 I'm afraid.

As a Blues fan, I'd really disagree and put Whitnall above McKay quite clearly. Two years in a row he has led the AFL in marks - second in the goalkicking last year form CHF and not FF - McKay is an inspiration, but Whitnall is far more important. I'd have him top 15 for sure. His game will develop more, and in my biased opinion he will be the top CHF in the league in 3 years time, quite easily. Sorry but Lance is the one player at Carlton who I get all worked up about if someone decides they don't rate him.

 

[Tom FC]

There were a few positions in this I expected to have to defend. They were:

Cresswell at 19
Woods at 36
Stevens at 20

Basically, these are all players I rate very highly. I admire Cresswell's ability to continually get effective possessions season after season, whether Kelly and Schwass are firing or not. I admire Woods' ability to feed Thompson, Barker and Holland so well, and still manage to shut down his opponent. Very few players have the ability to be offensive and defensive at the same time.
Stevens is the key to the Port midfield. He is quick, hard at the ball, a smart player and an excellent kick and handball.

Don't forget, the key to this list is the most influential, or potentially influential players in the league, so I stand by putting Bell at six.

I didn't forget Lance Whitnall. I don't have anything against him, it's just I feel his success is based at least partly on the abilities of the Carlton midfield, and I couldn't find a player to leave out. Sorry Blues2001, but personally I think McKay is better.

Thinking back, Wirrpunda probably should have got in somewhere or other, but I'm not sure where. There's not one player on that list I'd want to kick out.

Dutchy's a bit harsh saying there aren't enough Essendon players. There are seven, which is twice the average of three per club.

Thanks to everyone for the positive feedback. With a couple of exceptions, everyone was really very constructive.

[This message has been edited by Tom FC (edited 20 March 2001).]

 

[Blues2001]

Originally posted by Tom FC:
There were a few positions in this I expected to have to defend. They were:

Cresswell at 19
Woods at 36
Stevens at 20

Basically, these are all players I rate very highly. I admire Cresswell's ability to continually get effective possessions season after season, whether Kelly and Schwass are firing or not. I admire Woods' ability to feed Thompson, Barker and Holland so well, and still manage to shut down his opponent. Very few players have the ability to be offensive and defensive at the same time.
Stevens is the key to the Port midfield. He is quick, hard at the ball, a smart player and an excellent kick and handball.

Don't forget, the key to this list is the most influential, or potentially influential players in the league, so I stand by putting Bell at six.

I didn't forget Lance Whitnall. I don't have anything against him, it's just I feel his success is based at least partly on the abilities of the Carlton midfield, and I couldn't find a player to leave out. Sorry Blues2001, but personally I think McKay is better.

Thinking back, Wirrpunda probably should have got in somewhere or other, but I'm not sure where. There's not one player on that list I'd want to kick out.

Dutchy's a bit harsh saying there aren't enough Essendon players. There are seven, which is twice the average of three per club.

Thanks to everyone for the positive feedback. With a couple of exceptions, everyone was really very constructive.

[This message has been edited by Tom FC (edited 20 March 2001).]

That's ok Tom FC, I can't make you rate him.

But I must say I was very pleased that you put Nick Stevens as high as you did. I for one think that you shouldn't have to defend that selection - he's a sensational player.

As for Dutchy's call, well you could make a case for those players, but that doesn't necessarily mean they should all be there. Personally, I would have given Caracella ('the skunk') the boot and put Blumfield in.

 

[sabre_ac]

Originally posted by Rooboy 96:
So Sab just out of curiousity how come you have not replied to the bet I put to you... on freo's board... have a little guts... money where your mouth is Junior... in future... Don't offer a bet if you can't back it up...

Sab BTW... when was the last time Bell kicked five goals playing out of the middle... King does it all the time... but your allowed your opinion... even if it is wrong...

Rooboy check your own board I offered you another bet long ago.
I have put my money were my mouth is senior,in fact going on last years perfromance I have taken more of a risk than you have.

So Rooboy are you saying that your clubs leaders were wrong in handing Bell the best and fairest?

I didnt think so

Now I wonder who is wrong here?

 

[Pessimistic]

Did you consider John Hay ? He's the young equivalent of the Allann Jean's description of Conan Ayres - a 'good driver in heavy traffic'

 

[The Dutchman!]

On their GF games there is no leaving Cashfield - errr Blumfield or Caracella out but I might relent on Jason Johnston..

I take on board what you say about Whitnall too Blues2K1, to be honest just haven't seen enough game tapes with him on them - plus, when I was in Melb for the GF, I saw him walking into Jenny Craig weight loss centre near the corner of Collins and Swanston - which was a tad comical and hence detracted a little from his mystique - plus I didn't think he did much against us in the 2000 PF.

But the stats are impressive.

 

[Tom FC]

I definitely considered Jonathon Hay. I think he's one of the best full-backs in the league. However, he doesn't have the rebounding abilities of Graham and Leppitsch, nor the dominance of Dustin Fletcher. Another problem,if I'd put in Hay I'd have felt obliged to include Rawlings as well. The two seem to complement each other beautifully.

[This message has been edited by Tom FC (edited 21 March 2001).]

 

[WCE2000]

hmmmmm, ok, I think we can all get off Tom's back about Woods. the first 3 or 4 times was ok, but just every post bagged him for putting woods in.

as i said earlier, good attempt tom.

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[Westy Boy]

Originally posted by Tom FC:
Don't forget, the key to this list is the most influential, or potentially influential players in the league

Using this logic, would you think that Grant should have been rated above the likes of someone like Yze (and a few others)?

Realistically, he's one of only a few of our players who could win a match off his own boot (as well as being a focal point)..... whereas Yze could have quiet match and you can easily see a Woewodin/Powell etc. stepping up into that kind of role....
IMO, someone like Yze is far less influential/ important.

Sorry to be a pain TomFC. Although I disagreed with Grants position (a lot

), i liked the list. Good on ya for takin out the time to make it.

 

[The Dutchman!]

Westy

You might have noticed I rated Grant in the top 5....

Just MHO of course.

 

[jod23]

Originally posted by The Dutchman!:
Hay, butt att letch ey caan schpell!!

Hay!! Are yous sugestting thet i kant spel!!


Il have yous no that i can spel gust fine thancyou!

 

[Westy Boy]

Originally posted by The Dutchman!:
Westy

You might have noticed I rated Grant in the top 5....

Just MHO of course.

Dutchman,
Have I told you that you are by far the best judge of footballers on bigfooty?

Was very pleased to see that Dutch. For years he's been labelled as a 'pretender'/overated etc. ( because he hasn't stamped his authority on enough games in the Carey/Hird mould ), and it's a tag that has irritated me.

It's somewhat understandable, because to be rated highly, players have to be compared against the best- But in saying that, I don't think it's entirely fair for people to almost automatically dismiss him as second rate .... just becuase he isn't 'The' Best. It's almost as if it's his fault that he's a great/fantastic footballer ....but not quite a "champion" (although he is in my eyes)-

Sorry about waffling on Dutchy- don't get to mention Grant much - onus always seems to be on (bagging) Buckley, Hird and Carey around here.

[This message has been edited by Westy Boy (edited 21 March 2001).]

 

[The Dutchman!]

bag away Westie old son... Grant for mine is the player than Alessio should be but that Carey is a lot better than - doesn't not make him a top 5 or 6 player though... if he was CHF for Carlton everyone would never stop backing him - kinda like the way ppl react to Hirdy...

Jod, generally the spelling is just fine - just a rather clanger there in the sentence where you were effectively calling me an idiot!! No jury in the world would convict me buddy..

 

[Blues2001]

Originally posted by The Dutchman!:
On their GF games there is no leaving Cashfield - errr Blumfield or Caracella out but I might relent on Jason Johnston..

I take on board what you say about Whitnall too Blues2K1, to be honest just haven't seen enough game tapes with him on them - plus, when I was in Melb for the GF, I saw him walking into Jenny Craig weight loss centre near the corner of Collins and Swanston - which was a tad comical and hence detracted a little from his mystique - plus I didn't think he did much against us in the 2000 PF.

But the stats are impressive.

Yeah he played a shocker in the prelim against you guys. But he hasn't been all bad against the Bombers - 99 prelim he was good, and in rd 5 last year he was close to BOG against you:
http://www.afl.com.au/news/story_174825.htm

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Originally posted by Blues2001:
As a Blues fan, I'd really disagree and put Whitnall above McKay quite clearly. Two years in a row he has led the AFL in marks - second in the goalkicking last year form CHF and not FF - McKay is an inspiration, but Whitnall is far more important. I'd have him top 15 for sure. His game will develop more, and in my biased opinion he will be the top CHF in the league in 3 years time, quite easily. Sorry but Lance is the one player at Carlton who I get all worked up about if someone decides they don't rate him.

Not starting a Blues war on the main board here but...

I do rate Whitnall and recognise that because that he is capable of dominating for the Blues even more than McKay has done. He is a key position player that can dominate and as such can potentially become one of the greats of the club. Trouble is when the chips are down, he can go missing. With maturity I know this will change but the runs are not quite on the board. Andy McKay however has been a shining light no matter how the Blues are travelling. He has proven himself. He will never be compared to the greatest in the game but this is as much to do with his size and position as anything else. I thank God for Andrew McKay and look forward to sitting back and watching Lance Whitnall fulfill his boundless potential.

 

[jod23]

Dutch, i know my spelling was fine except for that damn word Rediculous?? Rediculos Rediculoiujolau??

How the F*ck do you spell that word !!

Hold on.....

Ahhhhhhhhh i knew Red looked weird. Its a Frikking I LOL

This post is Ridiculous

 

[Blues2001]

Originally posted by The Old Dark Navy's:
Not starting a Blues war on the main board here but...

I do rate Whitnall and recognise that because that he is capable of dominating for the Blues even more than McKay has done. He is a key position player that can dominate and as such can potentially become one of the greats of the club. Trouble is when the chips are down, he can go missing. With maturity I know this will change but the runs are not quite on the board. Andy McKay however has been a shining light no matter how the Blues are travelling. He has proven himself. He will never be compared to the greatest in the game but this is as much to do with his size and position as anything else. I thank God for Andrew McKay and look forward to sitting back and watching Lance Whitnall fulfill his boundless potential.

Fair enough...what I most want to say is that Whitnall is the most important player as far as our setup goes. Its not easy to cover McKay if he got injured buts its nearly impossible for us to cover Lance. Our forward line would be a mess without him.

 

[Rooboy 96]

Originally posted by sabre_ac:
Rooboy check your own board I offered you another bet long ago.
I have put my money were my mouth is senior,in fact going on last years perfromance I have taken more of a risk than you have.

So Rooboy are you saying that your clubs leaders were wrong in handing Bell the best and fairest?

I didnt think so

Now I wonder who is wrong here?

Sab I must have missed that offer of a bet... please place it on the front page again... if you really did...

I actually think McCartney had a far more consistently good year then Bell... and by a long way... where Bell does excel is his ability to play good finals footy... pitty he wont have the chance now...