Could be a replacement for Wood...
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I would be shattered to lose English. He was killing it before his concussion.
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I think we just have to plan for him playing next year, restrictions easing - therefore people can travel and another good year on and off field for us and him. Make it hard for him to leave us...
Unless someone comes along and offers us Max Gawn for him.....
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If he does go, and I think he will, it makes you wonder if it is worth drafting a skinny ruck/key position player, especially one from interstate.
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Every Club has those stories tho...
Brownlow night I asked my Melbourne supporting brother-in-law (*) where Jimmy Toumpas would be watching Wines' speech...
(*) Yes, that does mean my brother-in-law's sister is also a life long Melbourne supporter. Who happened to be at the GF.
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Every Club has those stories tho...
Brownlow night I asked my Melbourne supporting brother-in-law (*) where Jimmy Toumpas would be watching Wines' speech...
(*) Yes, that does mean my brother-in-law's sister is also a life long Melbourne supporter. Who happened to be at the GF.
And to think Saints could have had Petracca, Bont and Naughton.
Imagine those three with King.
Ouch!
If we can add a competitive ruck I feel we can change our midfield structure to be a more flexible arrangement. Baz with another preseason should be injected into the midfield rotations.
Over to you Sammy Power work your magic
I can’t help but think that if a key position player from one of the grand final teams was seriously looking at asking for a trade someone in the footy media would be all over it.
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Melbourne had a charmed run with injuries which is a massive leg up. Let's see how they fair if they get something like the league average
"Some additions" is not exactly a first ruck and experienced KPD though is it? Which was what my post was highlighting.
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Jfc. Surely no one believes Ben Brown was the difference on the weekend?
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It’ll be interesting to see what happens with English if we get the ruck deal done early
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Some notes:
It's time Beveridge and the coaching staff realize Zaine Cordy cannot be trusted as a Key-Defender. I don't mind him as a player, but he should be fighting guys like Dale, Wood, Crozier, Williams and Duryea for a spot in the team as a medium-sized defender. He regularly struggles in matchups against bigger bodied opponents, and is a very clear weakness in our defence when trusted with those responsibilities.
Might not be a popular opinion, but I think we should consider moving Aaron Naughton back into defence, at least at some point within the next two years. To be an elite forward at AFL level requires a balance of both excitement factor and consistency, and as exciting as he looks at times, he's still inconsistent. It felt like he didn't know how to get into the game during the Grand Final, even with his opponent Steven May struggling, and this is far from the first time. He reminds me of Michael Hurley earlier in his career, who had some exciting games up forward, but never really found consistency until he was finally moved back into defence by Bomber Thompson in 2014. Jeremy McGovern was another similar case.
Melbourne set the bar for defensive structure in 2021 with two tall lockdown defenders (May and Petty) and one interceptor (Lever). I think it makes sense to roll with something similar with Naughton, Keath and Gardner. With Tarrant nominating Richmond as his preferred destination, there is a very thin pool for key-defenders this trade period.
It's time to ask some tough questions with Tim English. Started the season really well as a third tall forward/second ruck, then got concussed, was out for 4 weeks, and was mediocre to poor for the rest of the year. Even when Lewis Young and Stefan Martin started taking the burden of the #1 ruck away from him, he was still largely ineffectual up forward. He's 24 this year, and still getting physically bullied like a 19 year old. He urgently needs to challenge himself in the off-season to amp up his strength and aggression, otherwise I don't think he should be in the best 22.
Stefan Martin should not be on the list next year under any circumstance. His recruitment in the first place was strange considering he only played 8 games for Brisbane in 2020, which included a worst on ground performance in the Preliminary Final. While he was an improvement on English as the #1 ruck, he's just not AFL standard anymore. Got pantsed by Nankervis in round 7, wasn't particularly good against Port in the Preliminary Final and was very poor in the Grand Final. Stefan Martin at his best was a great crash and bash ruckman, but this type of player does not provide much value as a 35 year old.
Things we should target:
AFL-ready ruckmen - One isn't enough either, we need at least two. I'm worried we won't recruit any though, Beveridge is very finicky with ruckmen.
A tall forward - I know a lot of people think it should be a defender here, but I believe Naughton, Keath and Gardner should the the foundation of our defence in 2022. One of the big problems in the Grand Final and the season overall is that we have too many players in the forward line who aren't natural forwards. In the (unlikely) event of Naughton moving back, along with Bruce being out for most of the year, I wouldn't mind us targeting someone like Tom Lynch (ade), Rory Lobb or maybe one of the better state league forwards. Ugle-Hagan should get a long run of games next year.
Small forward(s) - Not sure how many quality options are available, but there is definitely room for improvement here. Weightman is the only player on our list who's shown the capacity to be an elite small forward. Rhylee West should also be given far more opportunities than he was given last year.
It's time Beveridge and the coaching staff realize Zaine Cordy cannot be trusted as a Key-Defender. I don't mind him as a player, but he should be fighting guys like Dale, Wood, Crozier, Williams and Duryea for a spot in the team as a medium-sized defender. He regularly struggles in matchups against bigger bodied opponents, and is a very clear weakness in our defence when trusted with those responsibilities.
Might not be a popular opinion, but I think we should consider moving Aaron Naughton back into defence, at least at some point within the next two years. To be an elite forward at AFL level requires a balance of both excitement factor and consistency, and as exciting as he looks at times, he's still inconsistent. It felt like he didn't know how to get into the game during the Grand Final, even with his opponent Steven May struggling, and this is far from the first time. He reminds me of Michael Hurley earlier in his career, who had some exciting games up forward, but never really found consistency until he was finally moved back into defence by Bomber Thompson in 2014. Jeremy McGovern was another similar case.
Melbourne set the bar for defensive structure in 2021 with two tall lockdown defenders (May and Petty) and one interceptor (Lever). I think it makes sense to roll with something similar with Naughton, Keath and Gardner. With Tarrant nominating Richmond as his preferred destination, there is a very thin pool for key-defenders this trade period.
It's time to ask some tough questions with Tim English. Started the season really well as a third tall forward/second ruck, then got concussed, was out for 4 weeks, and was mediocre to poor for the rest of the year. Even when Lewis Young and Stefan Martin started taking the burden of the #1 ruck away from him, he was still largely ineffectual up forward. He's 24 this year, and still getting physically bullied like a 19 year old. He urgently needs to challenge himself in the off-season to amp up his strength and aggression, otherwise I don't think he should be in the best 22.
Stefan Martin should not be on the list next year under any circumstance. His recruitment in the first place was strange considering he only played 8 games for Brisbane in 2020, which included a worst on ground performance in the Preliminary Final. While he was an improvement on English as the #1 ruck, he's just not AFL standard anymore. Got pantsed by Nankervis in round 7, wasn't particularly good against Port in the Preliminary Final and was very poor in the Grand Final. Stefan Martin at his best was a great crash and bash ruckman, but this type of player does not provide much value as a 35 year old.
Things we should target:
AFL-ready ruckmen - One isn't enough either, we need at least two. I'm worried we won't recruit any though, Beveridge is very finicky with ruckmen.
A tall forward - I know a lot of people think it should be a defender here, but I believe Naughton, Keath and Gardner should the the foundation of our defence in 2022. One of the big problems in the Grand Final and the season overall is that we have too many players in the forward line who aren't natural forwards. In the (unlikely) event of Naughton moving back, along with Bruce being out for most of the year, I wouldn't mind us targeting someone like Tom Lynch (ade), Rory Lobb or maybe one of the better state league forwards. Ugle-Hagan should get a long run of games next year.
Small forward(s) - Not sure how many quality options are available, but there is definitely room for improvement here. Weightman is the only player on our list who's shown the capacity to be an elite small forward. Rhylee West should also be given far more opportunities than he was given last year.
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Can you post the article please?
Paywall sorry mate I was hoping someone else could.
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Western Bulldogs ruckman Tim English is keen to remain at the club long-term but will wait until midway through next season until considering a new deal.
English was unable to assert himself in the ruck this year and Melbourne’s centre square dominance against the 34-year-old and Stef Martin was critical in the momentum-changing third term.
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The Dogs are on the lookout for ruck and defensive cover even as they offer Martin another one-year deal to remain at the club.
Port Adelaide ruck-forward Peter Ladhams is contracted but on the market and Geelong is one of several clubs that is aware he is very gettable.
![Port ruckman [PLAYERCARD]Peter Ladhams[/PLAYERCARD] is searching for a new club, while Tim English will wait to talk a new deal with the Bulldogs. Picture: AFL Photos/Getty Images](data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7 "Port ruckman [PLAYERCARD]Peter Ladhams[/PLAYERCARD] is searching for a new club, while Tim English will wait to talk a new deal with the Bulldogs. Picture: AFL Photos/Getty Images")
Port ruckman Peter Ladhams is searching for a new club, while Tim English will wait to talk a new deal with the Bulldogs. Picture: AFL Photos/Getty Images
The Cats have a welter of mid-range picks and, despite re-signing Rhys Stanley, would be one club that could benefit from the 23-year-old’s services.
Geelong has a tight cap, given its established stars, but a player like Ladhams, entering the last season of a three-year deal, would not require a massive financial commitment, despite his upside.
The Dogs are yet to register a strong interest in Ladhams, despite their awareness of his desire to play more ruck after being stuck behind Scott Lycett at Port.
English’s partner, Rudi Ellis has just signed a two-year deal to play with the West Coast Fever in the Super Netball competition, but he is keen to remain in Melbourne.
He is happy with his current forward-ruck split and has strong relationships at the Dogs as a long-time housemate of fellow forward Aaron Naughton.
English was smacked in the ruck contest during the grand final. Picture: AFL Photos/Getty Images
Fox Footy expert David King was scathing of English’s ruck performance against Max Gawn and Luke Jackson and said the Dogs needed to act swiftly.
“Luke Beveridge has to make the call here. Is this the guy? What he did in the ruck was uncompetitive. Are you living with that? I think you have got to make the call. Stef Martin is a short-term fix. Is he one name you can throw up for trade? He is not going to get much better in the ruck, he’s a known product. These are big problems for the Dogs, they have seen it on the biggest stage, they must act,” he told SEN.
The Herald Sun reported last week Brisbane had asked about ex-Carlton ruckman Levi Casboult, with St Kilda also in the market for a cheap back-up ruckman.
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It also wouldn’t make sense for English to sign a new deal now. He had an okay but unspectacular season, we haven’t found our preferred long term ruckman and he may have not settled on his long term location with his partner.
Not happy with that? I think he knows where he’s at.. won’t be playing every week but he is still an amazing coach for the young rucks. If we can add a 30 year old healthy Ceglar, I’ll be happy.
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