Trading players for a first round draft selection

[yaco55]

IMO Geelong supporters haven't thought out this scenario well enough.

By trading players to Power for their no 4 pick you could solve two problems

1) Give you nearly first choice in a strong draft to choose the best available player

2) It will free up space in the salary cap so you could possibly trade for another player.

Geelong and Hawthorn are in positions of strength and should be flexing their muscles wisely, whilst preparing for the next 3 or 4 years.

 

[alfy!]

Who would we trade to them?

 

[Exhale You]

It's not nearly as easy as the OP suggests, but i support the premise of his post.

This is the last uncompromised draft for a while and our list isn't going to get any stronger (or deeper), so now is the last chance to move on a expendable player who actually has currency, in return for a draft pick.

It would not only immediately alleviate our cap problems, but it would give us a chance to strengthen the youth on our list for the inevitable drop off when our current era ends.

The club may or may not be exploring such options, but the impression one gets so far is that they are again sitting on their hands, rather than trying to be proactive.

I can understand that we can't bring in players, but we are in an excellent position to leverage our list talent and depth to gain a stronger hand in the draft and i believe it's extremely short-sighted to not explore such opportunities.

We are not going to have another opportunity like this for a very long time, so i hope and pray the club at least explore all avenues, but i fear tomorrow will simply be a repeat of last year, aside from Prismall, who forced our hand.

 

[Hinkley29]

IMO Geelong supporters haven't thought out this scenario well enough.

By trading players to Power for their no 4 pick you could solve two problems

1) Give you nearly first choice in a strong draft to choose the best available player

2) It will free up space in the salary cap so you could possibly trade for another player.

Geelong and Hawthorn are in positions of strength and should be flexing their muscles wisely, whilst preparing for the next 3 or 4 years.

I am confused.

You have posted on this board that we should be aggressively trading for a key forward (you also started a thread on the draft board stating exactly the same thing).

Now we should be trading players for at top 4 draft pick.

Which is it? Pursuing one of these scenarios would be near-impossibe given our situation. Pursuing both of them would be absolutely impossible.

Please enlighten us.

For an Essendon supporter you seem to have an unusually high level of interest in our trading strategies.

 

[Pivo]

Great idea in theory but clearly it is much more difficult in practice.

There are already rumours floating around that Port rejected Collingwood's request for pick 4 in exchange for Didak.

That means for Geelong to get hold of pick 4 from Port, players such as Bartel and Selwood would have to be offered...something Geelong clearly won't do.

I doubt that Port are going to give up pick 4 for, say Varcoe + pick 33 or Varcoe + pick 15. Would they do it for Enright + pick 15?? Who knows, but I doubt it.

So, as another poster asked, how would this get done?

 

[Exhale You]

Great idea in theory but clearly it is much more difficult in practice.

Absolutely.

The idea of getting Port's pick 4 (or any other top 10 pick) is unrealistic given the cost would be prohibitive, but i think we could wrangle another late first rounder with a player whose loss we could cover.

 

[Pivo]

Absolutely.

The idea of getting Port's pick 4 (or any other top 10 pick) is unrealistic given the cost would be prohibitive, but i think we could wrangle another late first rounder with a player whose loss we could cover.

Added to the fact is that all clubs appear to be guarding them like a father guards his 18 year old daughter on social night. Clubs just aren't willing to trade their first picks.

On that front, you have to salute Hawthorn as I'll assume their first round pick will be part of the deal with Sydney to land Ryan O'Keefe.

Geelong did it to get Ottens (and ultimately didn't cost the club much) but overall it means a club has to give something up pretty special to get that top ten pick.

And let's face it, clubs can be as unrealistic as some supporters. If Warnock is worth pick 6 I'll eat my Geelong beanie. Sure, the deal might still get done but you can't convince me that Warnock is worth more than McIntosh.

 

[Exhale You]

On that front, you have to salute Hawthorn as I'll assume their first round pick will be part of the deal with Sydney to land Ryan O'Keefe.

Yep.

If they land O'Keefe for pick 16 and Taylor/Boyle, they'll have made out like bandits, and i'd be very, very envious.

I'm not a huge fan of O'Keefe, but i admire Hawthorn proactive approach.
They're not sitting on their hands, they're actively trying to improve their list.

Obviously they don't yet have the salary cap issues that we do, but i'm certain if they were in our position they'd be falling over themselves to move up in the draft by sacrificing an expendable player with currency.

 

[TheHonestyPolicy]

The type of Player required ie Selwood/Hawkins/Corey it just wont happen.

 

[someday-somehow]

Yep.

If they land O'Keefe for pick 16 and Taylor/Boyle, they'll have made out like bandits, and i'd be very, very envious.

I'm not a huge fan of O'Keefe, but i admire Hawthorn proactive approach.
They're not sitting on their hands, they're actively trying to improve their list.

Obviously they don't yet have the salary cap issues that we do, but i'm certain if they were in our position they'd be falling over themselves to move up in the draft by sacrificing an expendable player with currency.

Yes and no, yes because O'Keefe is a quality player but he is 28 years old and as a running forward one can assume that he is only going to slow down from now on. Also he will be taking everything the hawks have left in their TPP, that will make things interesting in the next 2 years when the yound hawks will be wanting more money.

I'm also not sure how he will fit into the Hawks forward line, they seem to have his type already, unless Clarkson plans to move them around.

 

[Pivo]

I'm also not sure how he will fit into the Hawks forward line, they seem to have his type already, unless Clarkson plans to move them around.

Probably have O'Keefe playing further up the ground. Make the most of his running ability from the get go.

 

[someday-somehow]

Probably have O'Keefe playing further up the ground. Make the most of his running ability from the get go.

Seems to be a big price to pay to me for essentially another midfielder

 

[Pivo]

Seems to be a big price to pay to me for essentially another midfielder

You know, its funny because, personally, I didn't want Geelong to go after O'Keefe.

Not because I didn't think he could play but rather I felt Geelong had his position covered with our mids and the likes of Chapman and Steve Johnson.

However, I think Hawthorn have been ballsy in going out and getting him even though it doesn't really make any sense to me why they would do it.

But I guess he makes any team he joins better

 

[fpm84]

I wouldn't want O'Keefe, and I don't know why Hawthorn do, either. They already have the most potent forward line in the league and a very good midfield but their backline is sorely lacking and rucks are average. If I was Hawthorn I would have thrown a first round pick and buckets of cash to try and get McIntosh, and I'd be trying to poach an experienced defender.

Don't see how O'Keefe will make them a better team overall, and as others have said, it could prevent $$$ problems in future years. Franklin and Roughead are still earning peanuts and will command huge pay rises in the next couple of years. Rioli is also out of contract at the end of 2009 and will also get plenty more money.

 

[Exhale You]

Yes and no, yes because O'Keefe is a quality player but he is 28 years old and as a running forward one can assume that he is only going to slow down from now on.

I can see your point, but mine was more a general one about Hawthorn being proactive and trying to improve it's list despite having just won a premiership.

As i said in my previous post, i'm not a fan of O'Keefe, but Hawthorn obviously believe he'll help them and i applaud them for trying hard to get him, rather than just sitting on their hands and being satisfied with their list.

 

[randyzany]

I wouldn't want O'Keefe, and I don't know why Hawthorn do, either. They already have the most potent forward line in the league and a very good midfield but their backline is sorely lacking and rucks are average. If I was Hawthorn I would have thrown a first round pick and buckets of cash to try and get McIntosh, and I'd be trying to poach an experienced defender.

Don't see how O'Keefe will make them a better team overall, and as others have said, it could prevent $$$ problems in future years. Franklin and Roughead are still earning peanuts and will command huge pay rises in the next couple of years. Rioli is also out of contract at the end of 2009 and will also get plenty more money.

Completely agree. They already have enough scoring power as it is and you could reasonably argue the best forwardline in the competition by a fair margin. Bringing someone like ROK they will just get in each other's way, it adds very little of value to the dawks team structure. It's their defense that needs addressing but whatever it's not my team. lol

 

[someday-somehow]

Completely agree. They already have enough scoring power as it is and you could reasonably argue the best forwardline in the competition by a fair margin. Bringing someone like ROK they will just get in each other's way, it adds very little of value to the dawks team structure. It's their defense that needs addressing but whatever it's not my team. lol

Roughhead to defense possibly?

 

[geelong_boy]

Completely agree. They already have enough scoring power as it is and you could reasonably argue the best forwardline in the competition by a fair margin. Bringing someone like ROK they will just get in each other's way, it adds very little of value to the dawks team structure. It's their defense that needs addressing but whatever it's not my team. lol

Malcolm Blight once said that "good players always fit in". ROK should compliment the Hawks' forward line, their other star forwards aren't really of the lead-up type. Good on 'em if they pick him up, it will make them a better team for a couple of years.

But..

by giving up their first round pick they give up the opportunity to draft a long term key defender, their team's major area of weakness.