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The Melbourne Football Club is incapable of coming up with a viable option for a permanent training ground and facilities, so I thought that someone else needs to.

The problem the club has at the moment is that they are wedded to the idea that they belong at the MCG and have to have a training base near it. Problem is - it's never going to happen. They have continually failed and we continue to fall behind every other club in the competition.

The MGC is no longer Melbournes ground - it's a shared AFL/Cricket ground that Melbourne has no more claim to than any other club.
To have a base in the area would mean taking public space for a private entity. Melbourne does not have the supporter base to sway a local or state government to grant this.
The club has wasted the last ten years chasing a pipe dream that is never going to happen.

They also have no angle to get funding other than being a football club. Other clubs have scammed funding by calling them community hubs, indigenous training centres, disabled training centers, but Melbourne has never put up anything that will allow the government to justify the money.

My idea

The Club should partner with a University, and move their training facilities on site. The Club gets to use available land without trying to get East Melbourne residents to give up public space.

The University could build courses around a professional sporting club - They could develop a Sportmedicene centre, sports science, human movement, analytics, sports management. Being aligned with an elite sporting club and getting practical experience would be a huge point of difference for attracting both academics and students.

Funding could come from the University, and all three levels of Government. State and local governments would want to push Victoria as leading the country in Sports Med, analytics, etc, while Fed Gov would be looking to attract overseas students.

Melbourne would then have access to world glass professionals and great training facilities.

The best realistic option for this is La Trobe Uni Bundoora - most importantly they have the land, they are also trying to catch up with Monash and Melbourne who they have always been a poor cousin to, and this would give them a great point of difference.

Deakin Burwood is also an option. While they don't have as much land, the location might site better with the old-school MFC snobbery.

I'm interested to hear thoughts on this option or any other ideas.
 
I have no idea how good the Hawks facilties are at Waverly but once they move to Dingley I wonder if we'd be keen? Gotta be better than our current set up.
 
The Melbourne Football Club is incapable of coming up with a viable option for a permanent training ground and facilities, so I thought that someone else needs to.

The problem the club has at the moment is that they are wedded to the idea that they belong at the MCG and have to have a training base near it. Problem is - it's never going to happen. They have continually failed and we continue to fall behind every other club in the competition.

The MGC is no longer Melbournes ground - it's a shared AFL/Cricket ground that Melbourne has no more claim to than any other club.
To have a base in the area would mean taking public space for a private entity. Melbourne does not have the supporter base to sway a local or state government to grant this.
The club has wasted the last ten years chasing a pipe dream that is never going to happen.

They also have no angle to get funding other than being a football club. Other clubs have scammed funding by calling them community hubs, indigenous training centres, disabled training centers, but Melbourne has never put up anything that will allow the government to justify the money.

My idea

The Club should partner with a University, and move their training facilities on site. The Club gets to use available land without trying to get East Melbourne residents to give up public space.

The University could build courses around a professional sporting club - They could develop a Sportmedicene centre, sports science, human movement, analytics, sports management. Being aligned with an elite sporting club and getting practical experience would be a huge point of difference for attracting both academics and students.

Funding could come from the University, and all three levels of Government. State and local governments would want to push Victoria as leading the country in Sports Med, analytics, etc, while Fed Gov would be looking to attract overseas students.

Melbourne would then have access to world glass professionals and great training facilities.

The best realistic option for this is La Trobe Uni Bundoora - most importantly they have the land, they are also trying to catch up with Monash and Melbourne who they have always been a poor cousin to, and this would give them a great point of difference.

Deakin Burwood is also an option. While they don't have as much land, the location might site better with the old-school MFC snobbery.

I'm interested to hear thoughts on this option or any other ideas.
Not bad. The club have looked at affiliation with Melbourne Uni - which would cover their obsession with being central. Presumably it didn’t work out since I’ve heard no more about it.

My problem is that I agree with the old farts of Melbourne. I want MFC to be central. Not really keen on being buried out in Bundoora. I realise this is unhelpful thinking though
 
I'm just curious, where have you heard the club is incapable of finding available option?

I mean sure, you can base it off not having a decent location since we were kicked off the G.

But I know from a friend at the AFL that there is funding ready from AFL and government and a location has been decided on. (In fact the government already contributed nearly half a mil over previous couple of years)

Per Gary Pert communication earlier this year, there was a feasibility project put forward in partnership with state government that narrowed down to 4 locations within the Melbourne sporting precinct. Stage 2 of that project has settled on a location, which will house training facilities/admin and I did hear a social club.

Unfortunately, the training oval won't be mcg dimensions however there's a whisper the club is lobbying for a weekly mcg training session to compensate.
 

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I'm just curious, where have you heard the club is incapable of finding available option?

I mean sure, you can base it off not having a decent location since we were kicked off the G.

But I know from a friend at the AFL that there is funding ready from AFL and government and a location has been decided on. (In fact the government already contributed nearly half a mil over previous couple of years)

Per Gary Pert communication earlier this year, there was a feasibility project put forward in partnership with state government that narrowed down to 4 locations within the Melbourne sporting precinct. Stage 2 of that project has settled on a location, which will house training facilities/admin and I did hear a social club.

Unfortunately, the training oval won't be mcg dimensions however there's a whisper the club is lobbying for a weekly mcg training session to compensate.

If Pert can secure us a legit training base he'll prove every campaigner including me wrong who has poo pooed him.
 
I'm just curious, where have you heard the club is incapable of finding available option?

I mean sure, you can base it off not having a decent location since we were kicked off the G.

But I know from a friend at the AFL that there is funding ready from AFL and government and a location has been decided on. (In fact the government already contributed nearly half a mil over previous couple of years)

Per Gary Pert communication earlier this year, there was a feasibility project put forward in partnership with state government that narrowed down to 4 locations within the Melbourne sporting precinct. Stage 2 of that project has settled on a location, which will house training facilities/admin and I did hear a social club.

Unfortunately, the training oval won't be mcg dimensions however there's a whisper the club is lobbying for a weekly mcg training session to compensate.
A training base without a full-size oval??!!! Only Melbourne could do that.
 
Bundoora would be a nightmare for anyone to get to unless you’re living in the North/North East region.

A few years ago we were looking at a spot next to Caulfield Race Course. Not sure what happened to that idea but I liked it, close to our supporter base and central to where majority of our players live in the south east
 
Bundoora would be a nightmare for anyone to get to unless you’re living in the North/North East region.

A few years ago we were looking at a spot next to Caulfield Race Course. Not sure what happened to that idea but I liked it, close to our supporter base and central to where majority of our players live in the south east
There's a lot of talk about needing easy access for fans to attend. I've been to probably a dozen training sessions over the last few years. Normally about 10 fans there. On the big ones that they promote like pre-christmas, they might get a couple of hundred.

Do you really think a decision on a training base should be made based on the 10-20 fans that might attend?

And as far as players getting there - doesn't seem to be an issue for any other club.
 
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Where did I say that?

I said "won't be mcg dimensions".
If's they have a training ground and don't make it MCG dimensions, the only logical reason would be not having enough room, and the ground being undersized.

The club should be looking at doing what most others do and have two full-size training grounds.

Earlier you wrote that they will try and get the MCG to allow them to train once a week on the ground - that's never going to happen. Half the year it has a cricket pitch on it, and Melbourne have been trying this for decades and have always been knocked back.

If training on an undersized ground and hoping to get regular time on the MCG is part of the plan the CEO and Board are clearly not up to the job.
 

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I don't mind the University idea - it would need to be either Melbourne or Monash in my view though.

Deakin already has a strong relationship with Geelong so Burwood isn't an option. Deakin has a great program for elite sport and this crossover really helps. Same with VU and the Dogs. LaTrobe and RMIT in the North are too far from our supporter base. LaTrobe is also struggling financially (even before Covid).

That being said, it looks as though we're pushing forward with the MCG-adjacent idea. I found these snippets from recent articles - both attributed to Pert:

"The club had re-engaged a working party, which was backed by the AFL and state government, to look at the club's proposed new training/administrative base. " - Age article, August 2020

"Josh will be a key part of the government-led working party for the new home base development within the MCG sports precinct. " - Letter to Members, Nov 2020
 
As a non-Melbournian I don't really know much about all the options floated here. The MCG precinct obsession will be expensive, but it seems like there's something in the works for that?

Failing that Melb or Monash Unis would be good partners, although wouldn't Parkville be getting closer to Carlton's turf? Not that it really matters as much these days.

Monash seems an alright location and maybe less expensive too. Reasonable transport options (from what maps is showing me), so shouldn't be a pain for players and staff to get to.

Agree with GWT about the fan access argument. Bar us making a grand final I don't think we'll every get more than a few tragics there, and if we are in a GF fans will be more willing to make the trek anyway. Most teams would get fa fans to trainings until finals, seems a dumb argument to make.
 
There's a lot of talk about needing easy access for fans to attend. I've been to probably a dozen training sessions over the last few years. Normally about 10 fans there. On the big ones that they promote like pre-christmas, they might get a couple of hundred.

Do you really think a decision on a training base should be made based on the 10-20 fans that might attend?

And as far as players getting there - doesn't seem to be an issue for any other club.
No I never said a training base should be based so fans could attend.

Which other club trains in Bundoora where the players need to get there?
The St Kilda players hated travelling to Seaford hence why they didn’t last there long. They moved back to the heart of their supporter base.
 
What about Albert Park? There are stacks of ovals around there, all with space around them which could be expanded to create an MCG-sized oval.

Make it a joint project to redevelop some of the F1 facilities. Near pit lane, build office space for MFC and the Australian Grand Prix Corporation. If the building is tall enough, make the top level & rooftop a hospitality space, which can be used for the corporates on F1 weekend. Would get a great view of the whole track, something the circuit currently doesn't have. Could be used for weddings etc. the rest of the year.

There'd be an interruption for one footy weekend, which is usually around the timing of Rd1 of the AFL season. Some years we'd be travelling interstate so it wouldn't matter.
 
I have no idea how good the Hawks facilties are at Waverly but once they move to Dingley I wonder if we'd be keen? Gotta be better than our current set up.

Going to be years. Perhaps starting on our AFLW ground and stadium next year, (not admitted to AFLW comp yet), but we are "re-imagining the scope and details of the Harris Elite Training and Administration project whilst continuing to fund raise."
 
If's they have a training ground and don't make it MCG dimensions, the only logical reason would be not having enough room, and the ground being undersized.

The club should be looking at doing what most others do and have two full-size training grounds.

Earlier you wrote that they will try and get the MCG to allow them to train once a week on the ground - that's never going to happen. Half the year it has a cricket pitch on it, and Melbourne have been trying this for decades and have always been knocked back.

If training on an undersized ground and hoping to get regular time on the MCG is part of the plan the CEO and Board are clearly not up to the job.
Yeah look mate I don't agree with anything you have said here at all, so I'm gonna leave it there.

Only thing I've got to say is scg size or Kardinia park size - mere metres off, then obviously you're not gonna be happy still and demand the board and pert quit on the back of that, maybe you are part of the "viel of negativity" Roos was speaking of 4 years ago.
 

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I like the uni idea. But one question, do the uni's have to pay or do anything? Because they are beyond broke right now. My mum sells it systems to them, the uni's say what they can pay and recently some people have said a bit too much in regards to their financial situation. The only uni's who could possibly start up a new partnership with new courses and staff would be Melbourne and Monash. But even they are making cuts like you wouldn't believe. The others are cutting entire departments and I would be shocked if La Trobe manage to survive in the next few years, yet alone begin something with MFC. I love the idea but it would take years.
 
I like the uni idea. But one question, do the uni's have to pay or do anything? Because they are beyond broke right now. My mum sells it systems to them, the uni's say what they can pay and recently some people have said a bit too much in regards to their financial situation. The only uni's who could possibly start up a new partnership with new courses and staff would be Melbourne and Monash. But even they are making cuts like you wouldn't believe. The others are cutting entire departments and I would be shocked if La Trobe manage to survive in the next few years, yet alone begin something with MFC. I love the idea but it would take years.
Uni partners in Australia have Jack to spend on anything with the COVID disruption to travel. That is a 35 plus billion dollar export industry. Every university has been funding its own research programs through overseas students for years, not governments. I don’t think any are in a position to commence new partner projects for a little bit.
 
Uni partners in Australia have Jack to spend on anything with the COVID disruption to travel. That is a 35 plus billion dollar export industry. Every university has been funding its own research programs through overseas students for years, not governments. I don’t think any are in a position to commence new partner projects for a little bit.
Yeah uni's have really hitched themselves to the international student $ way too much of late. ANU is being pretty savage with staff and course cuts. Their art school's practical courses are totally cooked. They were loss making in the good times and nothing to cross subsidise now.

I guess a joint venture could potentially be more attractive for govt infrastructure dollars? Two birds, one stone for them in supporting a new education/sports science facility plus professional club who could tack on a social/community facility or something the uni and students get subsidised access to?
 
5 or so years ago the club were linked to a possible move to a transformed Caulfield racecourse, part of the appeal from the club was central to the supporter base.

Quick bit of research I can’t find any links to the club anymore but a sporting/community hub at Caulfield racecourse was first raised in 2013,

June this year a $300m plan to turn Caulfield racecourse into a sporting/community hub was announced and if it does get the go ahead it’s one the club should be looking to be apart of.


 
Uni partners in Australia have Jack to spend on anything with the COVID disruption to travel. That is a 35 plus billion dollar export industry. Every university has been funding its own research programs through overseas students for years, not governments. I don’t think any are in a position to commence new partner projects for a little bit.
The two industries hardest hit by covid. the universities and tourism/aviation. It just so happens that uni's rely on travel. Plus they weren't going super well before.
 

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