Trav Varcoe

[Vegas.]

Travis Varcoe shines for the Aboriginal All Stars

Travis is currently tearing the Crows a new one, and is hot in the running for the Polly Farmer medal as best on ground. Has 2 goals thus far, and plenty of ball.

 

[Vdubs]

Re: Travis Varcoe shines for the Aboriginal All Stars

Hope this is the start of his best season yet-- I rate him highly & think he is maligned. He could be the spark we need

 

[darren forssman]

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abc1 now!!!

 

[Redemptionin09]

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how'd he end up?

 

[kicksome]

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Hope this is the start of his best season yet-- I rate him highly & think he is maligned. He could be the spark we need

no offense but u are kidding yourself.
give that shit up and concentrate on golf.
gamble is the future.

 

[Catdog]

Re: Travis Varcoe shines for the Aboriginal All Stars

Anyone got any more info on how
the rest of the cats went?

 

[couchy555]

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The afl website says Varcoe was second only to Cambell for the All stars.
He did pretty good Varcoe, his skills were neat and i thought he looked pretty bigger than i had noticed before. He was certainly bigger than a lot of his other team mates last nite.

 

[carn_the_cattas]

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Varcoe was the stand-out Cat.
Stokes was his usual consistent self.
I dont think Djerrkura played.
If he did, I doubt he even got on the ground.

I was really impressed with Varcoe.
It was the first time you could use words like "hard" and "tough" to describe his game.
First touch was a strong mark, rode the bump and dished off to Aussie who kicked the goal, I think.

Keep it up Trav.

 

[The rabbi]

Re: Travis Varcoe shines for the Aboriginal All Stars

no offense but u are kidding yourself.
give that shit up and concentrate on golf.
gamble is the future.

So the future of the team lies in the hands of one player. Shades of the tired old "Gary Ablett factor" of the late 80's and 90's.

 

[rizzo]

Re: Travis Varcoe shines for the Aboriginal All Stars

no offense but u are kidding yourself.
give that shit up and concentrate on golf.
gamble is the future.

Travis has played 34 AFL games.

If you want to play it that way you would have delisted Scarlett after 34 game because he got creamed early in his career.

Jimmy Bartel would have been shown the ass, his first 34 games were average.

Ling also gone.

Yeah, Ablett gone (Travis after 34 games averaged the same amount of disposals per game at the same stage as ablett after 34.)

Milburn? Gone

Chapman? Gone


My Point? How can you judge someones potential on 34 games. This is the only club board on bigfooty where a player will get bagged after playing a good game.

 

[Vegas.]

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I watched it on the BigPond feed, and I thought Travis was robbed of the BOG medal thanks to a few cheap frees to MC. He is obviously very proud of his heritage, and I think the Polly Farmer medal would have done wonders to his confidence - although I think his excellent performance will still help.

He looked like a senior player for them, seriously impressive.

 

[Gogeelong]

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Is it possible to get a replay of this bigpond feed?

 

[The rabbi]

Re: Travis Varcoe shines for the Aboriginal All Stars

no offense but u are kidding yourself.
give that shit up and concentrate on golf.
gamble is the future.

 

[CatFan79]

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Nice to see Varcoe have a good game. However, if the selectors are doing their job and we are lucky with injuries, Varcoe should be making way for Gamble.

Gamble is hard, a great contested mark and has true match winner potential. I think Varcoe is a solid performer but goes missing, relies too much on others to create his chances and (in my opinion) will never have the potential to win us games.

As a forward, I just see too much potential in Gamble and not enough in Varcoe. Gamble's contested marking is the key, something our other forwards really struggle with.

These are the 2008 stats that count:
Gamble 21 goals from 13 games
Varcoe 14 goals from 16 games

 

[Catdog]

Re: Travis Varcoe shines for the Aboriginal All Stars

Some things never change Varcoe must of had
a pretty good game last night which i think is
very encouraging yet some still find a way to
doubt him thats poor form imho. As a cats SUPPORTER
you would think its a great start for him and the
team as a whole, and with only 34 games to his
name just maybe he may turn it on big time this
year.

 

[winty]

Re: Travis Varcoe shines for the Aboriginal All Stars

Nice to see Varcoe have a good game. However, if the selectors are doing their job and we are lucky with injuries, Varcoe should be making way for Gamble.

Gamble is hard, a great contested mark and has true match winner potential. I think Varcoe is a solid performer but goes missing, relies too much on others to create his chances and (in my opinion) will never have the potential to win us games.

As a forward, I just see too much potential in Gamble and not enough in Varcoe. Gamble's contested marking is the key, something our other forwards really struggle with.

These are the 2008 stats that count:
Gamble 21 goals from 13 games
Varcoe 14 goals from 16 games

They're two different players FFS. So Gamble kicked more goals? You would hope to think so, looking at the stats. Both players averaged 12 possessions a game, but Gamble earnt 50% of his possessions inside forward 50, compared to Varcoe's 27%. If you're getting more of the ball close to goal, I think it's safe to assume you'd score more goals.

They both bring a different skill-set to the equation. Gamble is a better marking target, whereas Varcoe is better at providing forward line pressure. I think they both have a role to play in the forward line. Varcoe IMO is competing with Byrnes for a spot in the side, not Gamble.

 

[sarah.13]

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They're two different players FFS. So Gamble kicked more goals? You would hope to think so, looking at the stats. Both players averaged 12 possessions a game, but Gamble earnt 50% of his possessions inside forward 50, compared to Varcoe's 27%. If you're getting more of the ball close to goal, I think it's safe to assume you'd score more goals.

They both bring a different skill-set to the equation. Gamble is a better marking target, whereas Varcoe is better at providing forward line pressure. I think they both have a role to play in the forward line. Varcoe IMO is competing with Byrnes for a spot in the side, not Gamble.

OMG... Logic !!! well done Winty!

 

[CatFan79]

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They're two different players FFS. So Gamble kicked more goals? You would hope to think so, looking at the stats. Both players averaged 12 possessions a game, but Gamble earnt 50% of his possessions inside forward 50, compared to Varcoe's 27%. If you're getting more of the ball close to goal, I think it's safe to assume you'd score more goals.

They both bring a different skill-set to the equation. Gamble is a better marking target, whereas Varcoe is better at providing forward line pressure. I think they both have a role to play in the forward line. Varcoe IMO is competing with Byrnes for a spot in the side, not Gamble.

Gamble: Height: 184cm Weight: 78kg Position: Forward
Varcoe: Height: 179cm Weight: 78kg Position: Forward

Regardless of how many times you want to split a hair, these two guys are playing for the same spot and (at full strength) both wouldn't make most people's best 22, but 1 of them most likely would.

Gamble is a better marking target, yes, but lets get not get too technical about what type of players they are. Theyre both small forwards but Gamble has the ability to play taller because of his marking ability. Forward line pressure is great but Varcoe's output of goals is below par.

In response to your 'possessions inside 50 stat' , a criticism of Varcoe is his lack of ability to read the game as a forward and get possessions in scoring zones. He often tends to drift out of the play and appears lost..

hmmmm logic...

 

[Asty]

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I still think Varcoe is better suited to the midfield not up forward but with the people in front of him at the moment he may have to wait a while hence he is playing up forward and at times gets a little lost.

I would have gamble in a forward pocket as the 2nd marking option and a player who can kick a freak goal. Varcoe would be competing with byrnes and stokes for a 1/2 forward or other pocket if he gets some form going he may also be pushing for a wing position.

 

[IbbosBFF]

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I see Gamble playing the same game as Lonergan but can actually kick those tough angle shots.

 

[meto]

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no offense but u are kidding yourself.
give that shit up and concentrate on golf.
gamble is the future.

Seems we've got two different types vying for the same spot, any chance Varcoe would play HFF, Gamble FP?
I hope the midfield start using Gamble more often on leads or the big mark from behind, rather than the focus being solely on Mooney, to me he's the medium size FP option that's most potent.

Meto.

 

[King_Tredrea]

Re: Travis Varcoe shines for the Aboriginal All Stars

this guy is underated outside the cattery IMO

will be a star

 

[rizzo]

Re: Travis Varcoe shines for the Aboriginal All Stars

Gamble: Height: 184cm Weight: 78kg Position: Forward
Varcoe: Height: 179cm Weight: 78kg Position: Forward

Regardless of how many times you want to split a hair, these two guys are playing for the same spot and (at full strength) both wouldn't make most people's best 22, but 1 of them most likely would.

Gamble is a better marking target, yes, but lets get not get too technical about what type of players they are. Theyre both small forwards but Gamble has the ability to play taller because of his marking ability. Forward line pressure is great but Varcoe's output of goals is below par.

In response to your 'possessions inside 50 stat' , a criticism of Varcoe is his lack of ability to read the game as a forward and get possessions in scoring zones. He often tends to drift out of the play and appears lost..

hmmmm logic...

Probably because he isn't used as a genuine goal sneak. Varcoe has always been groomed to be an attacking wingman / midfielder.

 

[thejester]

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Gamble and Varcoe are competing for the same spot in the sense that once you factor in certain starters there's only one place left in the 22. They're different types of players but that just means the coaching staff have to emphasis one aspect over another when it comes to selection.

Personally I'd at least experiment in the NAB with playing Gamble at CHF. Ok he's not physically a KPP but he plays tall and can rotate with other players through the position. If it's successful put him in the side over Lonergan. Varcoe has to stay IMO - his GF performance aside he was really impressive in the finals and looks the best way to add a bit of pace to the midfield.

 

[winty]

Re: Travis Varcoe shines for the Aboriginal All Stars

Gamble: Height: 184cm Weight: 78kg Position: Forward
Varcoe: Height: 179cm Weight: 78kg Position: Forward

Regardless of how many times you want to split a hair, these two guys are playing for the same spot and (at full strength) both wouldn't make most people's best 22, but 1 of them most likely would.

Gamble is a better marking target, yes, but lets get not get too technical about what type of players they are. Theyre both small forwards but Gamble has the ability to play taller because of his marking ability. Forward line pressure is great but Varcoe's output of goals is below par.

In response to your 'possessions inside 50 stat' , a criticism of Varcoe is his lack of ability to read the game as a forward and get possessions in scoring zones. He often tends to drift out of the play and appears lost..

hmmmm logic...

Varcoe actually averages a goal a game, which is better than Cyril Rioli, who plays in a similar role, yet people talk Cyril up to be the best thing since sliced bread.

You might look to Varcoe's possessions inside 50 stat as evidence he "drifts out of the play and appears lost", but to me it seems like he's adding another string to his bow, and becoming more than just a forward pocket player. As thejester said, he can be used to inject some pace into the midfield, and grand final aside, his finals series was pretty good and a sign that he's becoming more confident, and judging by what people are saying about his game last night (I didn't see it during to a blackout - darn Powercor!), it seems that form is continuing, which augurs well for the season ahead.

I'm not saying that Varcoe should be in the side ahead of Gamble, but both players could easily be in our best 22, even if one of them has to start on the bench.