Play Nice Tribalism in Wrestling - We hurt people (and their feelings)

[RossFC]

Maybe clean up the AEW thread to where people were comparing cage matches and show formats.

Can't find any posts comparing cage matches. I just see people talking about the International Title Tournament.

 

[Cleavy]

I guess it counts as tribalism if I point out WWE touring UK on the weekend AEW Forbidden Door is in London?

 

[Nicho50]

I guess it counts as tribalism if I point out WWE touring UK on the weekend AEW Forbidden Door is in London?

Or quite simply it’s just a global giant just touring the world as they do.

 

[fuey]

Or quite simply it’s just a global giant just touring the world as they do.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiggghhhtt... I've got a bridge I'm selling mate, you interested???

 

[Nicho50]

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiggghhhtt... I've got a bridge I'm selling mate, you

They are doing these tours all over the world all year long. They’ve done what 6 or 7 PLE overseas in the last 12 months?

 

[fuey]

They are doing these tours all over the world all year long. They’ve done what 6 or 7 PLE overseas in the last 12 months?

And it's a complete coincidence that these dates in the UK, are around AEW Forbidden Door in the UK??

 

[Nicho50]

And it's a complete coincidence that these dates in the UK, are around AEW Forbidden Door in the UK??

What’s your point?
They tour the world and both have different audiences? So what if they are in the country at the same time. Do you think AEW will lose out because of them being there?

 

[Ry009]

If they did a PPV id understand but look to be house shows which I imagine most wouldn't choose them over Forbidden Door.

Maybe because I like both companies, but to me looks like a win for fans that get to see a lot of wrestling in Europe? Could almost make a trip out of it.

 

[Nicho50]

If they did a PPV id understand but look to be house shows which I imagine most wouldn't choose them over Forbidden Door.

Maybe because I like both companies, but to me looks like a win for fans that get to see a lot of wrestling in Europe? Could almost make a trip out of it.

Spot on, events have been hanging off the coat tails of Wrestlemania weekend forever. Just enjoy the fact there’s a chance of an entire trip like your saying and can watch both.

Some people just can’t take the blinkers off at all and see it for what it actually is.

 

[fuey]

What’s your point?
They tour the world and both have different audiences? So what if they are in the country at the same time. Do you think AEW will lose out because of them being there?

My point is you're either extremely naive, being deliberately obtuse, or just plain ol' stupid.

Of course AEW will lose out due to shows being in the same region. Not everyone can afford to go to both, and its only natural that a company that is 40+ years old, will be more popular than a company that's been around six, so there's a decent chance those that can only go to one, will go to the WWE, unless a particular individual actually prefers shock horror the product AEW gives its fans (tbf, given how crazy UK fans are, I'm probably under estimating how many may actually prefer AEW over WWE).

For the past 20 years or so, WWE have gone to the UK in April/May, and then again in November. That's a pretty good sample size to say that's a consistent pattern. Now this year they decide to go in August also?? And you want to say it's not deliberate? C'mon man...

I'm not even saying its a bad idea by Fed decision makers, of course you do what you can to hurt your competition. Its a war, they're not trying to be friends. But please don't blow smoke up my arse by saying it's a coincidence. There's no such thing as coincidence.

 

[Nicho50]

My point is you're either extremely naive, being deliberately obtuse, or just plain ol' stupid.

Of course AEW will lose out due to shows being in the same region. Not everyone can afford to go to both, and its only natural that a company that is 40+ years old, will be more popular than a company that's been around six, so there's a decent chance those that can only go to one, will go to the WWE, unless a particular individual actually prefers shock horror the product AEW gives its fans (tbf, given how crazy UK fans are, I'm probably under estimating how many may actually prefer AEW over WWE).

For the past 20 years or so, WWE have gone to the UK in April/May, and then again in November. That's a pretty good sample size to say that's a consistent pattern. Now this year they decide to go in August also?? And you want to say it's not deliberate? C'mon man...

I'm not even saying it’s a bad idea by Fed decision makers, of course you do what you can to hurt your competition. It’s a war, they're not trying to be friends. But please don't blow smoke up my arse by saying it's a coincidence. There's no such thing as coincidence.

It’s not a war you could argue NXT v AEW head to head was a war but if you think WWE and AEW are competing then your in dreamland. WWE scale is mega and they would be crushing AEW in just about any metric you can find.

Do you think they care about AEW? They’ve openly stated they want to get bigger and doing more globally consistently. They did Aus in Feb last year and change to Oct this year, pretty sure they’ve had different times for France and Germany to.

I think your reading to much into dates and where they are. WWE are going to be doing more of these tours and TV internationally like doing Raw and Smackdown down here now because of the Netflix deal the time difference doesn’t matter as much.

People will go to whatever they enjoy more and AEW have a loyal fan base I don’t think it’s going to impact their attendance at all.

 

[nobbyiscool]

It's wild to me that anyone thinks this wasn't a deliberate move by WWE, AEW announced their show over 6 months ago.

And I love it! It's carnyism that harkens back to the 80s and 90s, it makes me feel like we have genuine competition in wrestling again.

I think Triple H likes it too. He's constantly given AEW a lot more credit and attention than it deserves (eg. the "Wednesday night Wars", the Ospreay whinging, the Vaquer signing, and now this), he's creating more competition than what really exists - cos like Vince, I think he kind of gets off on the competition, he wants AEW to become something worth beating.

 

[THE EQUALIZER]

Let's see how your favourite U.S wrestling shows are performing, as adjudged by those voting on cagematch.net for the 1st quarter of 2025. 13 episodes have been shown on all the weeklies so far, and have added PPV and PLE as well.

8.80 AEW PPV (1)
7.63 WWE PLE (3)
7.38 AEW Dynamite
7.22 TNA PPV (2)
7.17 WWE Raw
7.15 AEW Collision
6.97 WWE NXT
6.64 WWE SNME (1)
6.40 TNA Impact
6.01 WWE Smackdown.

 

[Nicho50]

Let's see how your favourite U.S wrestling shows are performing, as adjudged by those voting on cagematch.net for the 1st quarter of 2025. 13 episodes have been shown on all the weeklies so far, and have added PPV and PLE as well.

8.80 AEW PPV (1)
7.63 WWE PLE (3)
7.38 AEW Dynamite
7.22 TNA PPV (2)
7.17 WWE Raw
7.15 AEW Collision
6.97 WWE NXT
6.64 WWE SNME (1)
6.40 TNA Impact
6.01 WWE Smackdown.

May as well through that into the useless information bucket along with Meltzers 5 star ratings

 

[Senor M]

Let's see how your favourite U.S wrestling shows are performing, as adjudged by those voting on cagematch.net for the 1st quarter of 2025. 13 episodes have been shown on all the weeklies so far, and have added PPV and PLE as well.

8.80 AEW PPV (1)
7.63 WWE PLE (3)
7.38 AEW Dynamite
7.22 TNA PPV (2)
7.17 WWE Raw
7.15 AEW Collision
6.97 WWE NXT
6.64 WWE SNME (1)
6.40 TNA Impact
6.01 WWE Smackdown.

How chronically online does one have to be to vote on Cagematch? It’s not something I’ve ever done and I suspect it’s such a small percentage of the audience.

For example AEW Revolution is based on “527 valid votes”

 

[fuey]

How about, AEW talent takes a little dig at WWE, this place and the wrestling internet blows up with anger and hate.

WWE talent takes a little dig at AEW, and its crickets...

Talk about hypocrisy,

 

[Cleavy]

How chronically online does one have to be to vote on Cagematch? It’s not something I’ve ever done and I suspect it’s such a small percentage of the audience.

For example AEW Revolution is based on “527 valid votes”

quick look indicates from this year seems to be approx 500-600 people giving votes to PPVs and 150-200 for main AEW/WWE tv.

 

[Ry009]

Even being more of a WWE fan, don't think you can argue much with that list. Seems pretty fair to me. AEW have had some rock solid PPVs for the last few years, despite the week to week TV.

At the end of the day though - they're just ratings on what people like. Even like Meltzer ratings, people get far more worked up over that stuff than they need to.

 

[RossFC]

Cagematch is a great database for finding match cards, couldn't care less about the ratings on there though.

 

[Cleavy]

When reddit SC is dunking on the interview quotes, you know you said something silly.

 

[mickelboy182]

Watching Wrestlemania really makes you realise how good we have had it with AEW this year. What an absolute wet fart of a signature event.

 

[Peter Sidorkiewicz]

Watching Wrestlemania really makes you realise how good we have had it with AEW this year. What an absolute wet fart of a signature event.

AEW has had the same problem lately. Their main events have sucked so much under the Moxley reign.

 

[nobbyiscool]

Better match:

Wrestlemania 41 night 2 opener vs The Hollywood Ending?

How do they sit in the pantheon of womens matches?

How do they sit in the pantheon of all MOTY contenders so far this year?

 

[mickelboy182]

AEW has had the same problem lately. Their main events have sucked so much under the Moxley reign.

The whole event was lacklustre outside of a few matches. Mox/Cope was a bit shit though, agree there.

Still, AEW PPVs as a whole are a level above what I've watched the last two days. People would lose their minds if AEW had that kind of celebrity nonsense in the main event of a Dynamite, let alone the biggest event of the year.

 

[Nicho50]

The whole event was lacklustre outside of a few matches. Mox/Cope was a bit shit though, agree there.

Still, AEW PPVs as a whole are a level above what I've watched the last two days. People would lose their minds if AEW had that kind of celebrity nonsense in the main event of a Dynamite, let alone the biggest event of the year.

Don’t forget the horrendous Jericho Bandido restart on the PPV to.

The main event of night 2 was horrendous and especially with Travis Scott weird ending.

Night two up until the main event was very good.