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[cro_Magnum]

effectively, we gave up Kane Johnson, pick 14 & pick 45
in return for Carey and Torney

Exactly. Our mistake was not what we gave up, it was picking Carey when we should have either kept pick 2/4 for Wells or used it to get Pavlich.

 

[Stiffy_18]

What a stupid, ridiculous thread.

There is no way that Griffin and VB would be enough to get Pavlich. Pavlich is AA level; VB is a mobile utility/flanker and Griffin is a solid ruckmen. That is like expecting Freo to trade a 50c coin for for two 20c pieces.

There is no way, currently, that Meesen will get us a first round pick. There are too many quality ruckmen in this year's draft. The fact that Meesen hasn't played gives him the air of a bust; teams would rather go with what they hope might turn into something good. Hope beats facts, everyday.

I think this is a cowardly thread, to be honest. Not to point fingers - but I think you're being weak, Stiffy, in saying how much the Crows should get Pavlich and yet never sticking your neck out and saying what you think he's worth. You shoot down other folks for their suggestions, and yet make none of your own.

I think we'll trade Meesen for Carlton's first pick of the second round. I think we will package that pick, our first round and Van Berlo for Pavlich.

Well, maybe if you actually open youar eyes and read in this very thread that I have posted what I think Pavlich could be had for. Just so I save your lazy sorry ass some work I have said 2 firrst round draft picks with one preferably being 5-10 pick and a player that would be in Freo's best 22. Now how we go about getting that pick, well maybe we need to trade Meesen and our 2nd round pick or 2nd and 3rd round pick to get that 1st rounder to pair with ours and then trade a player that would make Freo's best 22, maybe someone like a Perrie, or McGregor or maybe even VB.

So before you shoot off the hip next time, opening your eyes and reading whats actually written might save you some embarassment.

 

[Alex99]

Well, maybe if you actually open youar eyes and read in this very thread that I have posted what I think Pavlich could be had for. Just so I save your lazy sorry ass some work I have said 2 firrst round draft picks with one preferably being 5-10 pick and a player that would be in Freo's best 22. Now how we go about getting that pick, well maybe we need to trade Meesen and our 2nd round pick or 2nd and 3rd round pick to get that 1st rounder to pair with ours and then trade a player that would make Freo's best 22, maybe someone like a Perrie, or McGregor or maybe even VB.

So before you shoot off the hip next time, opening your eyes and reading whats actually written might save you some embarassment.

As I said earlier in this thread, I would talk to Ross Lyon and the St Kilda Football Club about a possible trade for their first round draft selection. We could then offer Fremantle 2 first round draft picks and a second round draft pick for Mathew Pavlich.

John Meesen and a player (Ken McGregor) would move to St Kilda in exchange for their first round draft selection as well as ours first 2 picks in the national draft can then be moved to Fremantle for Mathew Pavlich.

St Kilda get: John Meesen and Ken McGregor

Adelaide get: Mathew Pavlich & St Kilda 3rd round draft selection.(Approx pick 40)

Fremantle get: Two first round draft selection and a second round draft selection.

 

[relapse]

Exactly. Our mistake was not what we gave up, it was picking Carey when we should have either kept pick 2/4 for Wells or used it to get Pavlich.

Using hindsight yes, but at the time it was the right decision. Remember in 2002 we were so close to a GF if it wasnt for Edwards being taken out and Macca's injury we might of got there. Bringing Carey in at the time was the right decision to chase a premiership. Even though it went belly up, the problem was how long it took him to get back to good form, 2004 arguably he was playing his best footy for the crows until his neck injury if he had of played through the season and not got injuried he might have played his final year in 05 and given the coaching change etc anything could of happened IMO.

 

[brown30]

Reilly + Meesen -----> Top 5-8 pick

Top 5 pick + Our 1st pick + 2nd pick -----------> Pavlich + 3rd or 4th Rounder



Losing Reilly is the hardest part.... but I'd rather lose him than vB or Griff.

BTW whichever club snares Meesen will be getting an absolute champion - mark my words.

 

[Alex99]

Reilly + Meesen -----> Top 5-8 pick

Top 5 pick + Our 1st pick + 2nd pick -----------> Pavlich + 3rd or 4th Rounder



Losing Reilly is the hardest part.... but I'd rather lose him than vB or Griff.

BTW whichever club snares Meesen will be getting an absolute champion - mark my words.

IMO we would be silly to trade Brent Reilly now because he is starting to become a very integral part of the AFC midfield and he will be harder to replace than a Ken Macgregor.

 

[brown30]

IMO we would be silly to trade Brent Reilly now because he is starting to become a very integral part of the AFC midfield and he will be harder to replace than a Ken Macgregor.

Aye, but McGrug won't attract the same level of draft pick as Reilly.

If you can find a club that'll take McGrug, Meese + <insert fringe player here> for a top 5er then I'm all for it.

Unfortunately you have to give quality to get quality and I think Brent Reilly, whilst proving to be an important player this year, has less upside than the vB's, Knights and Griffins of the world. Reilly's best isn't far off what he's playing now. The aforementioned three still have 3 years of improvement left.

 

[TheFridge]

If Pavlich wants out of Fremantle, he would want to return to Adelaide.

Assuming this unlikely event does occur...

Unless Fremantle wanted to play hard ball and get their fingers burnt and get nothing they would be forced to accept the best deal from either Port or Adelaide. Hence, the question should not be "what would Fremantle want?", but "who would offer Fremantle a better deal - Port or Adelaide?"

Both clubs would be very keen to secure a mid-aged established key forward so I would imagine Fremantle would get a good enough deal to make it silly to play hard ball for too long (unlike Port's situation with Stevens...).

Who would offer more? Who will finish lower on the ladder and have access to an earlier first round pick? I could see either Port or Adelaide be willing to trade a young gun midfielder (either directly to Fremantle or for a first rounder to a third party) plus their first round round pick to get the Pav...

 

[cro_Magnum]

Using hindsight yes, but at the time it was the right decision. Remember in 2002 we were so close to a GF if it wasnt for Edwards being taken out and Macca's injury we might of got there. Bringing Carey in at the time was the right decision to chase a premiership. Even though it went belly up, the problem was how long it took him to get back to good form, 2004 arguably he was playing his best footy for the crows until his neck injury if he had of played through the season and not got injuried he might have played his final year in 05 and given the coaching change etc anything could of happened IMO.

I'll rephrase it if I can. Getting Carey was not the problem, you're right. But the Roos spooked us and we paid too much. Carey himself said that he wouldn't go anywhere else and we should have stuck to our guns and given pick 14 (I think) and kept the early pick. They would have folded, instead we did.

 

[bus24]

Why would we trade Radar?

When he doesn't play, we look very sloppy through the midfield. Plus we generally lose without him.

 

[Drummond]

Why would we trade Radar?

When he doesn't play, we look very sloppy through the midfield. Plus we generally lose without him.

Reilly will be in the 5AA studio tonight.

 

[bus24]

Reilly will be in the 5AA studio tonight.

Sweet. He's always there, what a champ

 

[McLeodMagic]

Reilly is Mr. Assist.

He adds a bit of class to our midfield and his delivery to our forwards is exceptional, wouldn't wanna lose him.

 

[bus24]

Reilly is Mr. Assist.

He adds a bit of class to our midfield and his delivery to our forwards is exceptional, wouldn't wanna lose him.

Vastly under-rated.

Because of all the crap he's copped over "Ra Ra Ra Dal Santo ra ra ra ra" he doesn't get the acknowledgement he deserves. 100% class.

 

[Punchy Bassett]

Reilly + Meesen -----> Top 5-8 pick

Top 5 pick + Our 1st pick + 2nd pick -----------> Pavlich + 3rd or 4th Rounder



Losing Reilly is the hardest part.... but I'd rather lose him than vB or Griff.

BTW whichever club snares Meesen will be getting an absolute champion - mark my words.

You cannot be serious?

 

[bus24]

Radar looking after D-Mac.

A house full of class.

 

[Jars458]

We won't get Pavlich. We need to accept that reality IMO. Unless we finish in the bottown two this year we wont' have enough to get low enough draft picks which Freo will want.

We can create a Premiership team with what we have without Pavlich IMO.

In my view we should looking at a strategy to get Gibbs the year after involving freeing up enough slary cap to offer him a huge amount in the pre-season draft that noone esle can match.

 

[Drummond]

Some excellent calls this time for Radar. Seems like such a great young guy.

Radar looking after D-Mac.

A house full of class.

That was very pleasing to hear! Because you know a young guy like Mackay in his first year away from family and friends would be doing it tough, especially because he's only played twice all season. At least when you're playing and training your mind is focused on that, whereas Mackay has a lot of spare time.

Great job by Brent. Surely he'll be in the leadership group next year?

 

[bus24]

Some excellent calls this time for Radar. Seems like such a great young guy.


That was very pleasing to hear! Because you know a young guy like Mackay in his first year away from family and friends would be doing it tough, especially because he's only played twice all season.

Great job by Brent. Surely he'll be in the leadership group next year?

Certainly will be.

 

[King Elvis]

Reilly + Meesen -----> Top 5-8 pick

Top 5 pick + Our 1st pick + 2nd pick -----------> Pavlich + 3rd or 4th Rounder



Losing Reilly is the hardest part.... but I'd rather lose him than vB or Griff.

BTW whichever club snares Meesen will be getting an absolute champion - mark my words.

Reilly AND Meesen?

Reilly is probably worth a top 10 pick on his own.

 

[bus24]

Reilly AND Meesen?

Reilly is probably worth a top 10 pick on his own.

Probably?

He's a young midfielder of extreme quality, probably the best user of the ball in the league.

If he played in Victoria, he'd be raved about.

 

[King Elvis]

Probably?

He's a young midfielder of extreme quality, probably the best user of the ball in the league.

If he played in Victoria, he'd be raved about.

On these forums I use words like 'probably' and 'possibly' to avoid getting flamed.

As I've said before - I think Radar has almost reached the same level of Del Santo; throw his name up for trade and most people would probably say a top 3 pick.

Reilly wouldn't be far off that.

 

[maccas_no1]

We won't get Pavlich. We need to accept that reality IMO. Unless we finish in the bottown two this year we wont' have enough to get low enough draft picks which Freo will want.

We can create a Premiership team with what we have without Pavlich IMO.

In my view we should looking at a strategy to get Gibbs the year after involving freeing up enough slary cap to offer him a huge amount in the pre-season draft that noone esle can match.

Exactly right Gibbs and Cooney should be the AFC's priority over the next couple of years.

 

[KUNG FU]

Exactly right Gibbs and Cooney should be the AFC's priority over the next couple of years.

I'm on that wagon. But I'm also on the "why trade?" wagon as well. To be honest, I don't I'll ever have to really choose between them.

 

[KUNG FU]

Radar looking after D-Mac.

A house full of class.

Wouldn't you love D-Mac playing on a wing?