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Duckimus Prime said:
Any mental health advocate would call out The Geelong Advertisers reporting as horrid.

"took his own life" is just about the worst way of reporting it. If someone is going to report on the actual death it would be much better to use "death by suicide". Similar to how you would report "death by heart attack" or "death by cancer". Using terms like "took his own life" or "killed himself" puts blame and increases the stigma in the situation.

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And I'd probably also go from the guidance put together by actual mental health professionals rather than a Coroner.
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Fully agree. Call it what it is = suicide. Yes, it's a jarring word, and thought, but something needs to be done to jolt into action something, somewhere, that could try to help people before they reach the point where they feel they simply have no other option. I have no idea what form that "something" might take, but there are plenty out there, country-wide, much more knowledgeable and competent than me on the subject of mental health that could surely put their thinking caps on and work something out to try.
 
GoEaglesGoSGIO said:
Enough is enough

If AFL can find 600 million for ****ing Gold Coast they can find some for well the actial players

Its an absolute disgrace. This might not be the thread for it and it needs another but im just ****ing disgusted in what the game has become right now
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Unfortunately the AFL will provide lip service re mental health and wellbeing whilst doing everything they can to prioritise commercial interests.

What you’re describing is just capitalism.
 
Mr Meow said:
This is a very naive question but I'll ask it anyway.

Would wearing helmets reduce the severity and frequency of concussions? Or is it only a great help for those players who have had serious head injuries?
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From what I understand helmets don't help prevent further concussions. You can pad the outside of a can of peaches, and protect the label. But if you slam that can around, you will bruise those peaches. Bruised peaches might be undesirable — a bruised brain is definitely undesirable.
I've heard about research around protective gear in the NFL potentially exacerbating head injuries because sports people go harder, believing that they and their opponents are better protected.
It's really tricky, particularly in Aussie rules, where a fierce contest around a loose ball is a boon for the spectacle.
 

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strayadmbcnt said:
From what I understand helmets don't help prevent further concussions. You can pad the outside of a can of peaches, and protect the label. But if you slam that can around, you will bruise those peaches. Bruised peaches might be undesirable — a bruised brain is definitely undesirable.
I've heard about research around protective gear in the NFL potentially exacerbating head injuries because sports people go harder, believing that they and their opponents are better protected.
It's really tricky, particularly in Aussie rules, where a fierce contest around a loose ball is a boon for the spectacle.
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Pretty much this. A blow to the head, helmet or not, causes the head to bobble on the neck from the force applied to it. The brain therefore bounces around in the skull and suffers damage.

Now, the inside of the human skull is not universally smooth either. The plates at the back of the skull are relatively smooth, but up at the front, the inside of the skull is actually quite knobbly and rough, and this can cause abrasions to the front of the brain that may not necessarily occur at the back of the brain.

Helmets are good at preventing external lacerations and skull fractures but they do not prevent the rotational forces that cause concussion.
 
Sentinel said:
You obviously can't knock Voss for this because that was the culture/mindset at the time. To suggest the head knock wasn't the cause of the concussion (even if in jest) also shows how naive the industry was.

I think this line stands out the most: "I thought 'that's what teamwork is all about' - when one of your mates puts his body on the line for you and is willing to hurt himself for the greater cause"

You still hear it from commentators, particularly ex-players, lauding when a player jumps in front of a pack as "courageous", or when a player shirks contact "he'll want that moment again". I understand why since a huge element of the game has always been about putting your body on the line for the team, given it's a contact sport, but this mindset is difficult to overcome.
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I remember thinking about this around Joel selwood's 350th. The cats media team put out a few posts alluding to similarities with Joel and Mr bump.
It was all light hearted and meant to honour what he was known for, and people were talking about how, if a statue was to be made of him, that it should include a bandage around his head. I think it was the last I saw of any Mr bump references to Joel Selwood from the cats media team.
All this was around the time that some serious talk about CET was permeating the football media. Those comments from pundits about courage and bravery are vestiges of long standing traditions around football.
 

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Mr Meow said:
This is a very naive question but I'll ask it anyway.

Would wearing helmets reduce the severity and frequency of concussions? Or is it only a great help for those players who have had serious head injuries?
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Boffins argue that helmets don’t help with brain impact trauma and may, in some situations, exacerbate the type of chronic impact injuries suffered in contact sports. Hard to reconcile I know but that is where we are at currently.
I suspect that may change as better types of impact attenuating head protections are developed.
Also it would only take one or two successful law suits….
We might well see our guys running round in compulsory headgear yet.
 
Duckimus Prime said:
Any mental health advocate would call out The Geelong Advertisers reporting as horrid.

"took his own life" is just about the worst way of reporting it. If someone is going to report on the actual death it would be much better to use "death by suicide". Similar to how you would report "death by heart attack" or "death by cancer". Using terms like "took his own life" or "killed himself" puts blame and increases the stigma in the situation.

mindframe.org.au

Communicating about a suicide - Mindframe

When communicating about suicide Mindframe supports media professionals when reporting, reinforcing the need to proceed with caution when choosing whether and when to report on suicide.
mindframe.org.au mindframe.org.au

And I'd probably also go from the guideance put together by actual mental health professionals rather than a Coroner.
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Ah, the internet. Where a person can agree with you 99.9% and then focus on the .1% and quibble with it by misrepresenting 50% of it.
Or in other words - the internet is a place where people of good faith fight each other and people of bad faith find each other.
 
Bucking Bronco said:
There was no AFL player who had committed suicide prior to Shane Yarran in 2018, to my knowledge.

Now there is Yarran, Harley Balic, Shane Tuck, Frawley, Cam McCarthy, Selwood; and Majak Daw attempting to.

I was just reading about the Werther effect the other day coincidentally, which kind of explains this
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Justin Crawford too
 

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demondavey said:
Typically men have been the perpetrators of a majority percentage of assaults and violence against women, kids and other men. I literally see aggressive men driving every day who tailgate and get road rage like you’d not believe. Men bring on so much of their own problems when it comes to anger and assaults etc, so I’ve got zero sympathy for them when they can’t keep their temper in check. It’s embarrassing. If its their mental health that they use as an excuse, fine, but go and see a psychologist (readily available) as opposed to acting out aggressively.
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Domestic Violence is 'promoted' in this (and most Western countries) as a gendered issue with men as perpetrators and women as victims. This is in contrast to the worlds largest DV reseach database: The Partner Abuse State of Knowledge Project (PASK). Factors such as substance abuse, personality disorders, identifying as a member of a minority group and unemployment are way more predictive of DV than gender.

In the majority of cases the DV is bi-directional and rates of female perpetrated violence are 28.3% vs 21.3% for men.

Road rage is not a predictor of DV or IPV.

The highest rates of DV or IPV occur within same-sex (female) relationships.

This is not to excuse ANYONE of violent or aggressive behaviour, male or female.

Access to a psychologist is not as simple as you think, nor are they readily available, by 2030 there will be a 60% shortfall in psychologists. 1 in 3 psychologists have closed their books. The medicare rebate only covers 10 sessions/yr - out of pocket expenses upwards of $160/sess. The majority of psychologists in Aust are female (80%) - thus subject to gender bias and combined the opinion that masculinity and maleness is toxic and needs changing is it any wonder that men and boys are reticent to engage in therapy.

Anger management and suicidal ideation are two completely separate issues.

By all anecdotal evidence Troy Selwood was a very empathetic, high EQ guy, had stable employment - Geelong Grammar and Geelong I believe,
 
Mr Meow said:
This is a very naive question but I'll ask it anyway.

Would wearing helmets reduce the severity and frequency of concussions? Or is it only a great help for those players who have had serious head injuries?
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...first of all this is a actual serious post not a troll post

From what I understand concussions aren't really caused from the blow, but more the brain getting rocked in the skull from the blow, in the end don't think helmets would make much difference
 
Achy Blakey Heart said:
Some good points being made, but as a professional who has worked with people with severe mental ilness for 2 decades, having been involved in the postvention of over 30 suicides..... i can tell you its not just the issue of 'manning up' anymore.

This is old thinking now. Men and women have very different experiences of life in our western society, each with unique challenges. But for men they often sit in a challenging space, where being a man is almost a taboo, the identity of men has been so distorted that many don't know who they are or who they are supposed to be. This demonization i see time and time again, is juxtaposed with the modern demands on men, required to do so much for their family, work endlessly to provide for them, often to only be criticized for who they are. They withdraw from social networks, friends etc, due to the demands elsewhere and become intensely lonely. Add in divorce, parental alienation, financial ruin etc and you have a recipe for suicide.

We have to find a way to lift up men in our society so they can be proud of what they are.
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Where is this criticism coming from do you think? Maybe being a bit older I surround myself with those between 45-55 so I don’t see a lot of shaming towards men or don’t feel shamed myself or that I should be different.

What are men supposed to be? Women can do what men do, I feel there is parity between men and women much more and that men shouldn’t feel ashamed if their partner makes the money for example or if they look after the kids. Personally, I feel women are far more judgemental of men not working as much and parenting more.

I’ve also never understood what masculinity is? I mean, really, is there even such a concept?
 

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Bunk Moreland said:
The right wing largely only exists because they’re able to hide their tracks and convince people to vote against their own interests.
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I was thinking about this tonight.

My theory is this...

The hard right wing is known. We know what the worst of it looks like. We've literally seen it. It's happened.

The hard left however, still has an element of fear factor about it, because it's a bit of a myth.
It's never happened, and probably never actually will. So it's always a pretty easy scare mongering target.

I mean, it's really strange. Like Hitler kills millions of people and tries to take over the world - but because at least we know this, we're less scared of it than we are of the 'left' forcing companies to interview at least a woman or two for vacant roles. Or letting gay people get married.

Cause you know, apparently the left is
really scary and dangerous and will make all sorts of bad stuff happen.

We don't know what those things will actually be - but we're more scared of it than what Hitler did, because it's unknown.
 
rogerjames said:
Yes I do & given my feelings I shouldn't follow it. But I love my club despite its current leadership.
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AFL is a Mickey Mouse organisation. Every club is run by recycled old boys and the rules, governance and reactivity is completely farcical. My interest outside of Victoria is much higher purely for the fact I think the AFL just has the Victorian clubs as the major centre point of interest.
 

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