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Anyone else here seen it yet and what are your thoughts on it?

I found it to be far too over dramatised and typically it was just another bloody love story. Why does every epic movie have to be based on some love triangle?

Bit dissapointed with it really. I expected a lot better.
 
I thought it was ok.

Know what you mean about the love story stuff in blockbusters. It started with titanic and know every other blockbuster has to have a love story to appease the women. The biggest joke was Pearl Harbour. Rather than share and infringe on these movies, women should go watch their own movies (how to make an american quilt etc).

Troy had a reason to have a love story in it - I believe the whole thing started over Helen of Troy (someone correct me if I'm wrong). Although I'm not sure about Brad Pitt's love interest - I suspect they made that up (does anyone know). And as for Pearl Harbour - pfft, I don't remember a love story being written about in the history books.

Also got to give it to Brad Pitt in the movie. A woman from the opposition has a knife at his throat and is ready to kill him as he is the difference between her city and people being destroyed. He manages not only to talk her out of it, but immediately proceeds to have consensual sex with her. Now that's a suave mo'fo. Problem is, I suspect that bit is just made up by Hollywood. Can anyone confirm this either way?
 
Yeah, saw it last night. Wasn't overly impressed, but it was certainly watchable (in comparison to the already mentioned Pearl Harbour). I thought Sean Bean stole the show, that playa really makes things happen. Our own Eric Bana was also quite good.

What I didn't understand in terms of the story, is why Achilles' had the divine right to go and fight Hector. It's not as if Hector is disallowed from killing anyone on the field of battle. Oh well, I guess you can't change stories like this, I'm probably a bit biased towards Bana's character anyway. I also had a bit of difficulty empathising with Pitt given his character was after fame etc. etc.

Nevertheless, no need to get so personal... It was a good ordinary flick, I doubt it could've been too much better.
 
Many films (eg: Pearl Harbour) are destroyed by an unnecessary love angle.

However, this is really the point of the story of Troy and the Iliad. Helen has the face that launched a thousand ships - she has gone to Troy with Paris (Aphrodite gave her to him) and her husband, Menelaos, has gathered his allies to invade Troy and take her back.

Briseis, Achilles' love interest, is in the book, and he is forced to give her up and is one of the reasons for his anger, which is a theme of the book.

Achilles struggles with his immortality (divine or in name only) throughout the book and decides to achieve it at the end by fighting gloriously against Hector, thus attaining mortal glory. He has been warned by one of the gods that if he kills Hector he will die himself, but he accepts that so as to revenge the death of Patroclus. When he fights Hector who is wearing Achilles' armour, taken from Patroclus, he is sort of fighting himself, choosing death in war over long life. He gets his glory yet cannot escape his pre-ordained death, which he no longer fears.

Anyway, something roughly like that.

Haven't seen the film yet, so I'll have a better idea of how it relates once I do.
 

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Originally posted by NMWBloods
Anyway, something roughly like that.

Haven't seen the film yet, so I'll have a better idea of how it relates once I do.
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The film's pretty much like the book then. Good to see Hollywood didn't make up to much crap, but of course we don't know how acurate the book is (although I don't have a problem with that).
 
The book is not an historical account, but epic poetry. It is probably based in fact, but over time with each repeated telling more stories are added by the story teller, some of which are anachronistic (eg: Ajax is a hero in the book, but actually comes from a different time).

No one can ever know the full details of what parts are real and what parts are pure myth in terms of the actual specifics.

One thing I have heard about the film is that most of the sets and costumes and armour are pure Hollywood fiction, and they did not look at any of the archaeological evidence for any basic guidelines.
 
Only seen a screener copy, but was disappointed with Brad Pitt.

I couldn't come at him playing Achilles, just looked like Brad Pitt dressed up.

Eric Bana was outstanding though.
 
Originally posted by MightyFighting
Really? When? (Which Ajax?) :)
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Sorry - I worded that badly - there are a couple of Ajax characters in Greek mythology, one of which is in the Iliad and one earlier, and I believe there is some view that some of heroic descriptions and epithets in the book belong to an earlier time.
 
Apparently (I haven't seen it, just read the reviews), the whole impact of the Gods, and the way they impose themselves on mortals is taken out of the story - which kind of weakens the whiole thing.
 

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Anything with Rose Byrne in it is worth watching at least once, but more so this, becasue I've been told the little sex kitten has a nude scene. Is that true??
 
Originally posted by DEVO
Anything with Rose Byrne in it is worth watching at least once, but more so this, becasue I've been told the little sex kitten has a nude scene. Is that true??
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The same Rose Byrne who giggled her way through Two Hands?

Painful
 
Originally posted by Macca19

I found it to be far too over dramatised and typically it was just another bloody love story. Why does every epic movie have to be based on some love triangle?
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Because it actually was in real life.

Those nutty greeks!
 
Originally posted by bunsen burner
The film's pretty much like the book then. Good to see Hollywood didn't make up to much crap, but of course we don't know how acurate the book is (although I don't have a problem with that).
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It's also hard to base a movie on something that happened 3000k+ years ago.

I thought it was ok.

There were a few 'historical' innacuracies in it and they left out bits. But apart from that it was entertaining.
 

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Originally posted by MightyFighting
There are two Ajaxes in the Iliad.
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Yes, you are right I realised that afterwards. I'll have to dig up where I got that comment from about out of period epithets and the like.

Originally posted by TigerCraig

Apparently (I haven't seen it, just read the reviews), the whole impact of the Gods, and the way they impose themselves on mortals is taken out of the story - which kind of weakens the whiole thing.
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Yes - I just a review talking about the whole part was left out, which is a bit of a shame. I suppose they consider they are doing it more as an historical recreation of the Trojan War rather than a film of the Iliad.
 
Originally posted by NMWBloods
One thing I have heard about the film is that most of the sets and costumes and armour are pure Hollywood fiction, and they did not look at any of the archaeological evidence for any basic guidelines.
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I think in general stuff like sword fighting is all Hollywooded up (as it is in every film featuring at least one sword), but from what I've seen they at least made an effort in the $200 million + budget to make the armour look vaguely period. I wouldn't doubt that it's not absolutely correct though.
 
Originally posted by bunsen burner
Troy had a reason to have a love story in it - I believe the whole thing started over Helen of Troy (someone correct me if I'm wrong).
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Nah, you're very correct. I don't think you could exactly have Helen of Troy without a love story! However, I can't comment further because I haven't seen it. I imagine it's blown out of all proportion, as always.
 
Wasn't too bad. Run of the mill epic film with some decent performances. Bana played his role of Hector quite well, and Brad Pitt's Achilles was entertaining in a corny sort of way.

Nathan Jones stole the show though.
 

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