Tuck

[CoggaRules]

Duh, why do I bother?

Shaun Rehn gave Tucky a go in SA. Richmond drafted him but your mate Spud never gave him a chance(probably too busy running Cogs into the ground to realise he could have shared the workload between them)

By the way Tucky can go the biff as good as anyone at the Tigers. Another reason he is an integral part of our team. Surely you noticed him body slam some unfortunate Dog player late in the game. Then again maybe you dont notice those things.

like i said he is hard and tough, no doubt about it. He has to be because thats what keeps the bucks rolling in. He has only one string to his bow dude, thats hard and tough. Like i said, when the appropriated replacement is ready or is recruited, that has a couple of other strings to their bow, we can then assess how first picked he is...until then we can argue until the cows come home. And i have no problem having him in the team atm, he is part of a winning line up, thats a good thing.

 

[Truetiger]

Tuck - To slow, Limited skills or none. Sooner he gets to play for coburg the better.


What i would like asap

Cotchin in
Tuck out

 

[Sausage roll]

Was a very good tagging effort I thought Crum, glad you and Richcogs watched the game. I suppose these other pelicans did too, just didn't understand a damn thing about it.

Thank God we have your superior knowledge!

I thought I saw hyde playing on griffen?

 

[Rayzorwire]

time for a lesson in what the differences are in errors dude.

The only thing you're qualified to teach lessons in is how to rant nonsensically like a Seppo skateboarder cross-bred with Mr T California.

Newman king etc yeah they make errors, but they make them because they throw caution to the wind in taking risks to break lines. i.e and in particular the last two games, the net effect of them having the ball in terms of errors vs us getting a score is lopsided on the plus side. If they have success it means an attempt on goal.

Newman had 11 errors last game, at least half a dozen of them simple kicking errors, almost none of them were attempting an attacking long kick. They were simple bungled switches of play.

King actually does take the game on, run lines and create opportunities. Newman's not in the same category as a rebounder; he's not fast enough and he doesn't have the stamina to do it consistently.

What you consistently fail to see is that a good, balanced side needs runners like King, Tambling, Deledio, White etc, but also needs hard nuts in the centre who compete fiercely. That competitiveness wins games just as much if not more as running the ball, and far more than executing perfect 30m switches of play all game long like Newman does.

Just doing the 'Math' Razorwire (re Cotchin, Conners and for that matter Cogs and maybe even Collins).....and stating observations (not bias) regarding Tuck's mistakes (by foot) at crucial times in games. He will not be in our starting 22 in a genuine finals side, neither will Hyde.

Hyde's a B-grade running player, of course he has no place in a top-4 side. Tuck's a different player altogether - of a type we have very few of. Deduct Johnson in coming years, throw in Coughlan's unreliable body and our stocks of big bodied, hard at it midfielders mature enough to play long rotations in the middle comes down to Tuck, with Jackson coming through. They don't grow on trees and it's not a role you can give to a kid because the opposition will smash them.

By the way if you believe Cotchin will have to wait years to be one of our starting midfielders than you haven't seen him play or listened to good judges who have.

I've seen Cotchin play numerous times and my opinon on him is identical to what Weaver's was: he's a very classy flanker who may make a good midfielder - down the track. If you think that makes both of us 'bad judges' then you're welcome to that opinion.

ATM he's nowhere near mature enough to play anything more than cameos in the centre, or on a wing for limited periods of the game. The kid hasn't even had a pre-season, but no doubt there will be people bleating after losses later in the season when he's in the side, that Wallace can't coach because he didn't throw Cotchin to the wolves in the middle for 80 minutes a game.

Tambling is just getting to the centre after four years. Deledio's been used there very sparingly, and he was much bigger and faster than Cotchin. Foley took years, and even in '06 Wallace wisely limited his time in the middle.

It would be foolish to give a kid fresh out of the TAC, coming off a limited pre-season, gametime in the centre like a senior midfielder gets. Hasn't happened with us in the past and it won't happen in the near future with Cotchin.

 

[Jumpin' Jimmy]

Tuck - To slow, Limited skills or none. Sooner he gets to play for coburg the better.


What i would like asap

Cotchin in
Tuck out

Not another nuff nuff. You must be Cogga's twin brother

When Cotchin comes in he'll need someone like Tuck as a protector.

Tuck hasn't played for Coburg since 2004. Wake up to reality!

 

[The Rusty Trombone]

really? gee you are one visionary dude...like our kids are going to take time to develop...far out, you should become head of the footy dept with that kind of nouse dude......
As for the prophet shit, yeah if we were going to be shit, then dont know about you fool, but dont like the tigers being shit. So the way to become unshit is to get shit out and get unshit in. How you do that is up to you..how do you do that fool? As for wallace sacked 2 weeks ago, 1. have never actuallly called for his sacking. 2. If i did suggest sacking it was always and i mean for a long time, about those who are "NOW" on the outer. Funny how that shit happens and we are all sucking each other off with the way the team is playing now isnt it fool?

Can you re write this in a way that I can have some clue what your talking about Mr A,D,D . Fairdinkum that has got to be the all time hall of fame worst most incoheirant post I have seen on bigfooty in 2 years.

You are struggling Cogga. You have no point in alot of these posts and I want you to lock your self in your bedroom today and not come out until you have personally gone through all your posts on this Topic , read them , edited and corrected them to make some sort of sense and I am banning you from reading or posting on any other topics until its done.

Its been going on to long Cogga and its just confusing for every one. I'm sorry it has come to this but you have been given Big Footy Detention Cogga. I'm not a school teacher but I think its important that we make you go back to basics and start again as you have been falling behind the rest of us for some time now Cogga and are a little bit special.

 

[CoggaRules]

Can you re write this in a way that I can have some clue what your talking about Mr A,D,D . Fairdinkum that has got to be the all time hall of fame worst most incoheirant post I have seen on bigfooty in 2 years.

You are struggling Cogga. You have no point in alot of these posts and I want you to lock your self in your bedroom today and not come out until you have personally gone through all your posts on this Topic , read them , edited and corrected them to make some sort of sense and I am banning you from reading or posting on any other topics until its done.

Its been going on to long Cogga and its just confusing for every one. I'm sorry it has come to this but you have been given Big Footy Detention Cogga. I'm not a school teacher but I think its important that we make you go back to basics and start again as you have been falling behind the rest of us for some time now Cogga and are a little bit special.

exhibit A of someone having NFI. Its strange that when you have nothing to add to the debate you offer this kind of lameness, by attempting to create the perception of a "learned" person, that requires a post put to together by an A class english student, before you can allow yourself to get the gist. But on the other hand, when one of your brain cells awakens, you then attempt to argue your point, with the same poster who you are now suggesting you cant comprehend. Now how does that happen meat head? One moment you understood everything, coming back with Tuck is this and i have NFI and all that, but then low and behold you have lost the power of comprehension?

Keep trying dude.

 

[CoggaRules]

The only thing you're qualified to teach lessons in is how to rant nonsensically like a Seppo skateboarder cross-bred with Mr T California.



Newman had 11 errors last game, at least half a dozen of them simple kicking errors,almost none of them were attempting an attacking long kick.They were simple bungled switches of play.

King actually does take the game on, run lines and create opportunities. Newman's not in the same category as a rebounder; he's not fast enough and he doesn't have the stamina to do it consistently.

What you consistently fail to see is that a good, balanced side needs runners like King, Tambling, Deledio, White etc, but also needs hard nuts in the centre who compete fiercely. That competitiveness wins games just as much if not more as running the ball, and far more than executing perfect 30m switches of play all game long like Newman does.



Hyde's a B-grade running player, of course he has no place in a top-4 side. Tuck's a different player altogether - of a type we have very few of. Deduct Johnson in coming years, throw in Coughlan's unreliable body and our stocks of big bodied, hard at it midfielders mature enough to play long rotations in the middle comes down to Tuck, with Jackson coming through. They don't grow on trees and it's not a role you can give to a kid because the opposition will smash them.

Now over to this muppet.

so hard nuts with limited skill that are used as battering rams dont grow on trees?

As for what you fail to see is that yeah good balanced sides needs hard nuts in the centre who compete fiercely. Top shelf kick arse sides who usually win those things that flutter off flag poles, have, not need, hard nuts in the centre who compete fiercely and create avenues for their runners with their skill and vision. Not that we were a flag side then, but i will just drop the names Broderick, or Lambo who were hard nuts who compted firecely but they also created plays out of nothing with their sublime handball skills and vision. Watch Simon Black or Voss or any of those hard nuts and see what night and day looks like dude. They are in hard at it and at the same time they are sussing out the best way out for the ball. Single dimensional players like Tuck, can only get in there and compete fiercely, when it gets into their hands, its a hopeful handball over his head, that might land in our way. good for mediocre oppostion dude, we get smashed when we are playing with gun sides.

 

[Sausage roll]

Now over to this muppet.

so hard nuts with limited skill that are used as battering rams dont grow on trees?

As for what you fail to see is that yeah good balanced sides needs hard nuts in the centre who compete fiercely. Top shelf kick arse sides who usually win those things that flutter off flag poles, have, not need, hard nuts in the centre who compete fiercely and create avenues for their runners with their skill and vision. Not that we were a flag side then, but i will just drop the names Broderick, or Lambo who were hard nuts who compted firecely but they also created plays out of nothing with their sublime handball skills and vision. Watch Simon Black or Voss or any of those hard nuts and see what night and day looks like dude. They are in hard at it and at the same time they are sussing out the best way out for the ball. Single dimensional players like Tuck, can only get in there and compete fiercely, when it gets into their hands, its a hopeful handball over his head, that might land in our way. good for mediocre oppostion dude, we get smashed when we are playing with gun sides.

couldn't agree more...he is a muppet!

 

[The Rusty Trombone]

exhibit A of someone having NFI. Its strange that when you have nothing to add to the debate you offer this kind of lameness, by attempting to create the perception of a "learned" person, that requires a post put to together by an A class english student, before you can allow yourself to get the gist. But on the other hand, when one of your brain cells awakens, you then attempt to argue your point, with the same poster who you are now suggesting you cant comprehend. Now how does that happen meat head? One moment you understood everything, coming back with Tuck is this and i have NFI and all that, but then low and behold you have lost the power of comprehension?

Keep trying dude.

You are even more special than I thought Cogga , you have gone from special to ******ed. Maybe thats why you try and spoon feed every one your bull sh*t week in week out. Your rants are getting weirder and weirder. Have you gone off your medication.

 

[boodsyboy]

really? gee you are one visionary dude...like our kids are going to take time to develop...far out, you should become head of the footy dept with that kind of nouse dude......
As for the prophet shit, yeah if we were going to be shit, then dont know about you fool, but dont like the tigers being shit. So the way to become unshit is to get shit out and get unshit in. How you do that is up to you..how do you do that fool? As for wallace sacked 2 weeks ago, 1. have never actuallly called for his sacking. 2. If i did suggest sacking it was always and i mean for a long time, about those who are "NOW" on the outer. Funny how that shit happens and we are all sucking each other off with the way the team is playing now isnt it fool?

So whats this word UNSHIT suppose to mean.?

 

[Rayzorwire]

Now over to this muppet.

so hard nuts with limited skill that are used as battering rams dont grow on trees?

Ones that can kick the ball 60m, kick reasonably with both feet, handball well, run all day, stand at just shy of 190cm and weigh only a few k's less than a key forward, certainly don't. If they did, the VFL would be full of them. Incase you missed the fact, it isn't.

If you think otherwise, then go ahead and name them. You descended into ranting gobbledygook the last time I asked you this, I expect you'll do so again rather than just answering this simple question.

As for what you fail to see is that yeah good balanced sides needs hard nuts in the centre who compete fiercely. Top shelf kick arse sides who usually win those things that flutter off flag poles, have, not need, hard nuts in the centre who compete fiercely and create avenues for their runners with their skill and vision.

Not that we were a flag side then, but i will just drop the names Broderick, or Lambo who were hard nuts who compted firecely but they also created plays out of nothing with their sublime handball skills and vision. Watch Simon Black or Voss or any of those hard nuts and see what night and day looks like dude. They are in hard at it and at the same time they are sussing out the best way out for the ball. Single dimensional players like Tuck, can only get in there and compete fiercely, when it gets into their hands, its a hopeful handball over his head, that might land in our way. good for mediocre oppostion dude, we get smashed when we are playing with gun sides.

Do you know an interpreter who speaks your language California? If so, please get them to translate your nonsensical waffle into sentences where we don't have to fill in the blanks and guess WTF it is you are ranting about.

Seeing I'm most likely going to be obliged to work out what the hell you're ranting around in ever increasing circles, I'll say the following:

It's only your ignorant bias which ignores Newman averaging 5 errors a game, yet crucifies Tuck for 2.

Tuck is a 4th year player and a work in progress just the same as the 2004 draftees. He's not doing the 'get ball, bomb 60m forward blindly' stuff he did in his first two years (ironically, people applauded him for that). He's listening to the coaching he's getting, looking for the right option (even if that means him looking uncomfortable with the ball in space - which nobody does with easy options at hand), and throwing his body at the football 100% the rest of the time.

If Tuck handballed or kicked blindly with turnovers all the time like you pretend he does, he'd be listed with a massive amount of errors. Instead, in the world most of us live in, he's had ~90 disposals this year, with ~10 errors.

For a bloke who plays in the guts a large portion of the game, that's a very good record.

For example:

Corey - 5 errors a game

Mitchell - 4.8 errors a game

Hodge - 6.2 errors a game

Bartel - 5 errors a game

Ablett - 3.4 a game

Cross - 4.8 errors a game

Cooney - 4 errors a game

Griffen - 3 errors a game

Judd - 4.2 errors a game

Anyone else you'd like to analyse and make the claim that Tuck (with an average of 2 errors a game) is too much of a 'clanger liability' to be anywhere near competing with the best in the league?

You have ZERO factual evidence beyond your ignorant, baseless opinion, that Tuck makes an unacceptable number of mistakes in his average game.

So what you're left with, is the admission that his hardness is admirable, and that he's not in the same league as the top handful of midfielders of his generation in terms of brilliant disposal.

To put it in terms you may relate best to: no ____ing shit dude, you don't say!

And the fact that he isn't as good as premiership sides' BEST couple of midfielders, in no way precludes him from being part of an 8-9 player rotation in our next premiership midfield.

 

[Rayzorwire]

So whats this word UNSHIT suppose to mean.?

You'll never know BB. You're not a visionary.

 

[CoggaRules]

You'll never know BB. You're not a visionary.

wow man, you need to be a visionary to work out what "unshit" could mean? LMAO....anyway had enough of this Tucking and froing. You are definetly one that has a soft spot for players with limited skill that are triers. Can tell by your nic, coupled with your stoic defence of the virtues of Tuck.
Just for the record hey? He might still be around when we eventually become real deal contenders, if he is, he will be a pinch hitter or a depth player at most.
Thats my opinion, you can hold on to yours. BTW do you actually have an opinion? I mean its all about that stats now for you isnt it?
another BTW, your stats about errors might be on the money. They are the clangers that are marked down as "errors", by the stats men. the stats men sit there and watch for the "clanger" before they put it down on the sheet.
They dont watch for the errored option that is taken, that ends up in a 2 on 1 or a slow down of play, that results in options being covered, tjhat results in a turnover, that results in a loss of momentum etc etc...

Keep punching, and you might want to watch closely next time, instead of jus picking up a stats sheet dude. I dont look at stats, whatever i suggest here is from what i see at the game.

 

[The Rusty Trombone]

Good to see you finally saw the light Cogga and said what everyone else has been saying in the previous posts. Are you mellowing in your old age?

 

[Jumpin' Jimmy]

wow man, you need to be a visionary to work out what "unshit" could mean? LMAO....anyway had enough of this Tucking and froing. You are definetly one that has a soft spot for players with limited skill that are triers. Can tell by your nic, coupled with your stoic defence of the virtues of Tuck.
Just for the record hey? He might still be around when we eventually become real deal contenders, if he is, he will be a pinch hitter or a depth player at most.
Thats my opinion, you can hold on to yours. BTW do you actually have an opinion? I mean its all about that stats now for you isnt it?
another BTW, your stats about errors might be on the money. They are the clangers that are marked down as "errors", by the stats men. the stats men sit there and watch for the "clanger" before they put it down on the sheet.
They dont watch for the errored option that is taken, that ends up in a 2 on 1 or a slow down of play, that results in options being covered, tjhat results in a turnover, that results in a loss of momentum etc etc...

Keep punching, and you might want to watch closely next time, instead of jus picking up a stats sheet dude. I dont look at stats, whatever i suggest here is from what i see at the game.

Now we know. You are both dumb and blind

 

[carn tigez]

if we didn't have Tuck who would we have to win the hard contested ball and handball it out to players like Foley, Lids, McMahon Newman etc.

 

[Equus]

Hope he will regain the form when he first arrived in the team.

 

[Madtiger2006]

I'm a Tuck fan and his skills are fairly decent. Good on both feet, hard at it, good mark, good kick for goal. If he has 2 turnovers in a game, some Tiger fans come out and say he had 15 turnovers. Well maybe they should give up drinking because they wouldn't know their mother from their girlfriend after 2 beers