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[Long Live HFC]

BTW LLHFC where are you? No response to me pointing out your cherry picking?

after seeing your hilarious posts on AGW, evolution & fluoride, i just couldn't take any more laughing.

 

[Crankitup]

after seeing your hilarious posts on AGW, evolution & fluoride, i just couldn't take any more laughing.

I made a comment about fluoride recently because someone in this thread mentioned it. I stand by the comment I made. If you have a problem with it you're welcome to debate the issue in that thread. It was pretty innocuous really. Can't see the humour in it.

https://www.carefreedental.com/reso...ilent-pandemic-of-neurodevelopmental-toxicity

So it seems a recent Lancet article has lent credence to this thread.

Maybe Austria, Belgium, Finland, France, Germany,Hungary, Luxembourg, Netherlands, Northern Ireland, Norway, Sweden, Switzerland, Scotland, Iceland, & Italy feel further justified in not having fluoridation in their countries.

As far as the other issues go I can't recall saying anything recently. Maybe ~ 8 years ago. Why would you go trawling back through 8 year old threads?? Seriously. Could it possibly be you felt backed into a corner you couldn't get out of when I posted the following?

When asked for a source for my original statement I provided a government one and then mentioned 3 supplementaries. You cherry picked two you had a problem with and remained silent on the first one I linked to, the government one. Either you don't have a problem with it or you think it's a nuttery too.

Another thing, I want to get this straight once and for all, you have a problem with that article posted on the Mercola site purely because of where it's posted. Are you alleging the author of the article has made up the figures?

I'll refresh your memory about those startling figures now.

Couldn't play the ball so had to play the man/poison the well. Pathetic.

 

[Long Live HFC]

I made a comment about fluoride recently because someone in this thread mentioned it.

you mentioned it after i pointed out you like using cranks for sources.

As far as the other issues go I can't recall saying anything recently. Maybe ~ 8 years ago. Why would you go trawling back through 8 year old threads?? Seriously. Could it possibly be you felt backed into a corner you couldn't get out of when I posted the following?

who went trawling? click on username, check posts. 2 seconds. i did it because i wanted to see if i was right that you were the kind of person who was attracted to junk science; a contrarian ideologue. turns out you are. i was shocked.

https://www.carefreedental.com/reso...ilent-pandemic-of-neurodevelopmental-toxicity

lol, and another crank source!

 

[Crankitup]

who went trawling? click on username, check posts. 2 seconds. i did it because i wanted to see if i was right that you were the kind of person who was attracted to junk science; a contrarian ideologue. turns out you are. i was shocked.

2 seconds?? To work all that out. So you didn't actually READ any of it then.

lol, and another crank source!

They've referenced Lancet, the Harvard School of Public Health etc etc but of course you don't have any time to see that do you? It doesn't matter. I couldn't care less what you think.

 

[Long Live HFC]

2 seconds?? To work all that out. So you didn't actually READ any of it then.

2 seconds to find them. a few more seconds to identify your attraction to contrarian junk science. wrong on global warming, wrong on evolution, wrong on fluoridation and now wrong on vaccines. even you should be able to follow that simple pattern!

They've referenced Lancet, the Harvard School of Public Health etc etc but of course you don't have any time to see that do you. It doesn't matter I couldn't care less what you think.

lol, you simpleton. pseudoscience 101: reference a legitimate resource and then misrepresent what it says because the uninformed/uneducated people that read their sites don't know any better.

see, unlike you i've actually read that shitty chinese study. unlike you i know that china hasn't added fluoride to its water sources in more than a decade. unlike you i know that the ppm readings in the areas with lower IQs were several orders of magnitude higher than any artificial fluoridation levels anywhere in the world. unlike you know i know that the massive 1 point difference* in a subjective measurement like IQ, was obtained from a control group which also had fluoridation levels higher than recommended levels.

which anti-science agenda will be your next pet project i wonder?

*edit- it appears i misremembered the numbers. but still "The estimated decrease in average IQ associated with fluoride exposure based on our analysis may seem small and may be within the measurement error of IQ testing."

 

[Long Live HFC]

they even spell it out for you.

Opportunities for epidemiological studies depend on the existence of comparable population groups exposed to different levels of fluoride from drinking water. Such circumstances are difficult to find in many industrialized countries, because fluoride concentrations in community water are usually no higher than 1 mg/L, even when fluoride is added to water supplies as a public health measure to reduce tooth decay. Multiple epidemiological studies of developmental fluoride neurotoxicity were conducted in China because of the high fluoride concentrations that are substantially above 1 mg/L in well water in many rural communities

 

[CM86]

So before I respond to this ... has he posted the bit you were referring to? If he's missed anything please post it now because if you were basing your argument on the bit he's quoted I was correct in my hunch that you have misread.

The key is one part you highlighted that said the following -'Small-pox in the Philippines is very severe in type, but its natural fatality rates are very considerably overstated by the exclusion of varioloid .....'

So before we go further can you tell me what you understood by the above statement, focusing on - 'NATURAL fatality rates' & 'exclusion of varioloid' ...

This is where you went wrong.

Anyway just humour me and tell me what you understood by the statement that included the phrases - 'NATURAL fatality rates' & 'exclusion of varioloid' and then I'll address the second point because there's even bigger holes in your conclusions about that.

I'm still looking forward to your explanation of how my understanding of the summary is incorrect.

Because you definitely did not do it in post 449. As I explained in my reply to that post.

If you've just painted yourself in the corner, just say it and let's move on.
Otherwise I'm going to keep asking, because I've looked back over it several times, and I cannot see what I've misunderstood, let alone what the 'even bigger hole' is.

 

[William Wonka]

I think the earlier vaccines are good for children. The flu vaccine should be used for vulnerable people as well, however, young, healthy people shouldn't really get the flu vaccine.

The flu vaccine is quite ineffective as far as vaccines go.
Its got about a 50% success rate against the few strains that it is 'tailored' to but can make the symptoms of any other strains you contract worse.
Having said that I still have it and will get my son the shot next year when hes two y.o.
As far as polio, dyptheria, whooping cough, mumps, measles and other childhood immunizations are concerned if you refuse to protect your kids and others against these horrible diseases then you should be tied down with your eyelids open Clockwork Orange style to watch weeks of graphic videos of people suffering and dying from them.
If you still refuse to protect your kids and others then you should be soundly beaten and shipped off to an island of other non vaxers as another poster suggested.
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[Long Live HFC]

Its got about a 50% success rate against the few strains that it is 'tailored' to but can make the symptoms of any other strains you contract worse.

there's a study with pigs and H1N1 a while back that indicates this as a possibility, but do you have further details on seasonal flu vaccines in humans?

 

[William Wonka]

there's a study with pigs and H1N1 a while back that indicates this as a possibility, but do you have further details on seasonal flu vaccines in humans?

Just parroting what I heard from a professor of Immunizolgy, im afraid my knowledge of such things is scant at best. Sorry.

 

[Long Live HFC]

fair enough, is interesting though.

 

[William Wonka]

fair enough, is interesting though.

Very.
Im a big big fan of immunizations as a rule, my father was in isolation in a hospital ward for four months with Dyptheria then Mumps as a boy, my mates brother died of whooping cough and I know others crippled by polio.
The fluvax is slightly different because it is so ineffective- 50% efficacy on three quarters of commonly circulating strains is hardly reassuring. Hopefully they keep improving them.
In the meantime staying the hell away from sick people (and if you are sick not going out in public ffs!!!) and using hand sanitizer are a very good idea.

 

[rowie343]

The 'vaxxed stories' on youtube should be watched by all interested in this debate.

 

[rowie343]

 

[rowie343]

There are heaps more stories on youtube but that one was especially sad.

 

[Lebbo73]

There are heaps more stories on youtube but that one was especially sad.

The HPV vaccine is just bs in a needle. What is the vaccine you give girls to stop cervical cancer? Another bs vaccine that is harmful.

 

[Long Live HFC]

The HPV vaccine is just bs in a needle. What is the vaccine you give girls to stop cervical cancer? Another bs vaccine that is harmful.

 

[Lebbo73]

I know, I know.