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thylacine60 said:
What did you think of the correct decisions? Were there any?
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Yes there was, I’ve never come on here potting the umpires just for the sake of it and i never come on after our games blowin a lid..
My frustration has always been around prior opportunity incorrect disposal decisions and the grey rules and interpretations that cause much confusion
There is basic no brainer’s clearly not being adjudicated properly that for me is a bit of a concern...
That’s all..
 
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FitzroyBlueBagger said:
Yes there was, I’ve never come on here potting the umpires just for the sake of it and i never come on after our games blowin a lid..
My frustration has always been around prior opportunity incorrect disposal decisions and the grey rules and interpretations that cause much confusion
There is basic no brainer’s clearly not being adjudicated properly that for me is a bit of a concern...
That’s all..
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There should be no such thing as incorrect disposal - it is a nonsense rule anathema to the spirit of the game if one beleive itis a running kicking game - half the congestion around the ball is all about trying to force free kicks by reference to your two pet hates above, those who like to see a congested mauling hacking style game will like both issues that you dislike - well we can fix half the problem easy.
 

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Pablito said:
It seems like we consistently get the short end of the stick when it comes to inconsistent umpiring decisions.

Great example in yesterday's game when we had 2 deliberate out of bounds decisions go against docherty which were 50/50. A couple minutes later another 50/50 deliberate out of bounds doesn't get paid against port.

That enough relevance for you?
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Discussing decisions and where an error may have been made is certainly relevant but I think you will find that happens to all teams, the number differential in free kicks paid for against has no relevance, that's the point I was making. I don't believe we're treated any differently to anyone else.

With the example you gave was it the same umpire making the decision in every case? There are so many variables. Was the umpire in a position to see what happened properly?etc. This applies to any decision made.

I don't subscribe to the biased or cheating umpires theories, I believe they have a terribly tough job made even tougher by how some of the rules are framed and you just have to accept that they will make mistakes just as players do.

Go read any autopsy thread, every supporter base thinks umpires are out to crucify their teams, even the North people after yesterday's game.
 
gab213 said:
Discussing decisions and where an error may have been made is certainly relevant but I think you will find that happens to all teams, the number differential in free kicks paid for against has no relevance, that's the point I was making. I don't believe we're treated any differently to anyone else.

With the example you gave was it the same umpire making the decision in every case? There are so many variables. Was the umpire in a position to see what happened properly?etc. This applies to any decision made.

I don't subscribe to the biased or cheating umpires theories, I believe they have a terribly tough job made even tougher by how some of the rules are framed and you just have to accept that they will make mistakes just as players do.

Go read any autopsy thread, every supporter base thinks umpires are out to crucify their teams, even the North people after yesterday's game.
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thylacine60 has a lot to answer for in this thread .... Umpires have a job to do period. Sometimes they get it right, sometimes they get it wrong. ****ed if I would do their job .... tough gig.
 
SurreyBlue said:
thylacine60 - give it up.
Umpires have ‘agendas’ and ‘rule of the week’ set by the AFL. This believe it or not is fact.
They are also biased like standard supporters towards teams and players they dislike. This is also human nature.
How do I know? I’ve actually spoken to an ex-umpire and please don’t ask me who!
Sorry to spoil your fun. End of my discussion on this matter.
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It's not the end of the discussion Surrey, I have had friends who were AFL Umpires and this was never a feeling I got from them, there were no 'agendas'.
One funny thing though, of the 3 friends I've had that umpired the one I never wanted to see umpire our games was the one who was a passionate Blues supporter. It always seemed to me that in his desire not to be seen as favouring us he went the other way, he always seemed to be tougher on us than anyone else.
 
gab213 said:
Discussing decisions and where an error may have been made is certainly relevant but I think you will find that happens to all teams, the number differential in free kicks paid for against has no relevance, that's the point I was making. I don't believe we're treated any differently to anyone else.

With the example you gave was it the same umpire making the decision in every case? There are so many variables. Was the umpire in a position to see what happened properly?etc. This applies to any decision made.

I don't subscribe to the biased or cheating umpires theories, I believe they have a terribly tough job made even tougher by how some of the rules are framed and you just have to accept that they will make mistakes just as players do.

Go read any autopsy thread, every supporter base thinks umpires are out to crucify their teams, even the North people after yesterday's game.
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certainly room for umpire improvement, whether by training or a merit based system for being allowed to umpire, and less AFL meddling during the season on rule interpretations.
 
Last thing I will say in the matter, at least for the interim, is this, people looking to "blame" them for their teams loss, needs to turn the lense a little closer to the club they support. Generally, one or two "bad" decisions will not have effected the result rather than how the team played for the 4 quarters.
 
Metalcrusher said:
Last thing I will say in the matter, at least for the interim, is this, people looking to "blame" them for their teams loss, needs to turn the lense a little closer to the club they support. Generally, one or two "bad" decisions will not have effected the result rather than how the team played for the 4 quarters.
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It could (could) cause momentum shift.... BUT, as you say, 4 qtr effort and sensibility between the ears to win back control of the game. Good teams do that.
 
JustaBattler said:
There should be no such thing as incorrect disposal - it is a nonsense rule anathema to the spirit of the game if one beleive itis a running kicking game - half the congestion around the ball is all about trying to force free kicks by reference to your two pet hates above, those who like to see a congested mauling hacking style game will like both issues that you dislike - well we can fix half the problem easy.
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Yes we can and i agree on what you have described with the the state of the game in how it’s being played it’s most of the problem, it’s adding to the problem but incorrect disposal, holding the ball, dropping the ball call it what you like there’s obvious problems in this area of our game that need addressing and correcting for the betterment of the game as well...
 
FitzroyBlueBagger said:
Yes we can and i agree on what you have described with the the state of the game in how it’s being played it’s most of the problem, it’s adding to the problem but incorrect disposal, holding the ball, dropping the ball call it what you like there’s obvious problems in this area of our game that need addressing and correcting for the betterment of the game as well...
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yep - just drop the rule - entirely....

the prior opportunity is much better umpired usually anyway...
if we just dump the incorrect disposal rule most of the BS goes away.
 
FitzroyBlueBagger said:
Yes we can and i agree on what you have described with the the state of the game in how it’s being played it’s most of the problem, it’s adding to the problem but incorrect disposal, holding the ball, dropping the ball call it what you like there’s obvious problems in this area of our game that need addressing and correcting for the betterment of the game as well...
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Think it has to be, the player must dispose by handball or by foot when in possession. Period. Forget intent to dispose when tackled.

Too much grey area in guessing how a player disposes of the ball when tackled. Either it’s pinned in = ball up, dropping the ball at impending contact = free kick. None of this letting congestion play out stuff. Just creates more congestion and doesn’t reward the tackler.

It will stop congestion in the middle, but the unfortunate byproduct is more free kicks....
 

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JustaBattler said:
yep - just drop the rule - entirely....

the prior opportunity is much better umpired usually anyway...
if we just dump the incorrect disposal rule most of the BS goes away.
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Whatever TF we are doing now isn’t working.

Getting pillaged every week.

We need to utilise some CCP style “Belt & Road” initiative and corrupt the f*** out of the bozos.

Need to encompass the philosophy of our dear airport dwelling friends - “whatever it takes”.........
 
NumberEight said:
I am 100% convinced the umpires pay/dont pay free kicks to assist in keeping a team in the game and or getting a team back into a contest.
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ever consider you yourself might be thinking a team is drifting out of a game and all of a sudden their next free kick looks dubious? can you consider that idea?
 
Funk said:
Whatever TF we are doing now isn’t working.

Getting pillaged every week.

We need to utilise some CCP style “Belt & Road” initiative and corrupt the f*** out of the bozos.

Need to encompass the philosophy of our dear airport dwelling friends - “whatever it takes”.........
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do you understand that I could duplicate the tone of your post with posts from most/all other clubs? where does that put your "getting pillaged every week?"
 

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Metalcrusher said:
thylacine60 has a lot to answer for in this thread .... Umpires have a job to do period. Sometimes they get it right, sometimes they get it wrong. f’ed if I would do their job .... tough gig.
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At this point I have my doubts about Thy.

Has anyone seen Thy and Razor Ray in the same room?

I thought not.

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Metalcrusher said:
Last thing I will say in the matter, at least for the interim, is this, people looking to "blame" them for their teams loss, needs to turn the lense a little closer to the club they support. Generally, one or two "bad" decisions will not have effected the result rather than how the team played for the 4 quarters.
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But an unwarranted free in front of goal late in a tight game can have huge ramifications.

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NavySteel said:
Think it has to be, the player must dispose by handball or by foot when in possession. Period. Forget intent to dispose when tackled.

Too much grey area in guessing how a player disposes of the ball when tackled. Either it’s pinned in = ball up, dropping the ball at impending contact = free kick. None of this letting congestion play out stuff. Just creates more congestion and doesn’t reward the tackler.

It will stop congestion in the middle, but the unfortunate byproduct is more free kicks....
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It rewards the player 2nd to the ball too.

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