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tora tora tora said:
QI
Free against Rioli: Rioli's tackle causes the oppo to drop the ball. Rioli's tackle momentum continues and he's pinged for too long in the tackle.
Missed against: Infront of Bris goals Free against Pickett not paid. Can't really tell from TV



Daniher made no contact with the ball, Cameron did. My understanding of what is a free kick or not. I rewatched the first Qtr. 2 of baker's frees were oppo running into him. Barely high contact. The Third, the caught in the tackle in front of goal. Probably there. Graham gives away frees from sloppy technique. Ralphsmith vs Cameron jumper hold. Harsh but probably there and it's worth playing like that to make them go back and kick for goal. RCD got pinged for a hanging on a fraction too long at a ball up.
HTB and illegal disposal is what the umps don't pay. Broad did it once and we got a goal from it.
My summation, both teams got one goal frees. Our mids tidy up tackle technique stop about half the frees. I love baker in the middle.
Watching replays we had a lot of players down. Graham didn't step up.
The worst of the poor umpiring was daniher knee in vlas head and Balta non free reversed 30 seconds later in a non ruck infringement. What is the rule on running front on into an opponent, if you have the ball. Onus is on the opponent to tackle legally. I'm thinking 2 frees against Baker. I love baker in the middle, if we can tidy up a few things he's ahead of our other players
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The more I think about it the more angry I am. If Daniher is pinged for knee in Vlas's head, the ball is out of the area Cameron & Ralphsmith situation doesn't happen. If umps have the vision to see jumper grabs/holds by RCD where he was two players arms tangled at a ball up. RCD's how can they not see Daniher making no contact to the ball whilst kneeing Vlas.
Baker's frees had one guy running at him head first. Another guy getting the ball out of the pack and dropping into Baker drawing a free. Baker should've just held onto the ball ~ he had no prior in the one near their goals.
Dusty took 3 steps. Not a high tackle. Ball up.
We get no tiggy touchwood frees, no actual frees. It looks like some of their small players are skilled at drawing frees.
 
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Ok so I was bored and decided to go full sperg for our season 21. Now I work in Finance and am not a statistician by any means of the imagination so this is very quick standard deviation workings.

Above are 3 tables. The top 2 are free kicks given away by the team when facing Richmond and GWS. The bottom is from the Brisbane game this past week.

Way to read the top 2 Tables. The table on the Left is Richmond games and the Table on the Right is GWS games. What is shown is the free kicks given away by their opponent.
Key:
FA: Frees against
Avg FA: Average frees against
Diff: The difference between the frees against vs that teams frees against for the season to round 10 (e.g in Round 1 Carlton gave away 15 free kicks and their season average is 20)
St Dev from mean: How many Standard Deviations away from the mean that figure is (basically the Z - Score)

Highlights from the top table:
- Over the season, the opponents we have played have given on average close to 1 standard deviation less frees when playing us
- The only team that has been screwed by the umps against us is Hawthorn who gave away close to 1 standard deviation more free kicks when playing against us
- GWS' (who have the best average free kick differential in the league at the moment) opponents on average give away .02 standard deviations more free kicks when playing against the Giants

Now I have only decided to show the Frees Against here because if I were to show Free For the opposition then the standard argument of "It is Richmond's game style to give away more frees" can be easily made to hand wave any results. So what the above table shows is that when teams play us they are on average guaranteed to give away close to 1 St Dev less frees. So to put this into context, this week against Adelaide we can expect around 14 - 15 free kicks for Richmond (Adelaide averages 20.5 frees against for the season and the St Dev is 5) based on the previous 10 games. Now I am not 100% sure if this is correct to show a bias, however it does to me. This is because the figures in the above tables are based solely on frees given away by teams when playing either Richmond or GWS. Basically when you play GWS you are more than likely going to give away your season's average in frees and when you play Richmond you are going to give away less frees.

Highlights from the Bottom Table
- Richmond gave away 1.8 St Dev more free kicks than average to Brisbane and received the season average
- Brisbane gave away .8 St Dev less free kicks whilst also receiving 2.2 St Dev more free kicks than their season average

We got bent over and told to bite the pillow because the umps are going in dry up at the Gabba. I believe that in this game, Brisbane, in theory, had a frees for tally that only 2.3% of their matches the season could beat. For frees against, only approximately 15.9% of their games this season will they give away less free kicks.

Conclusions
Like I have previously said, I do not like to look at the frees that Richmond give away. A lot of them (in my opinion) are there and it is stupid to cry about the 2-4 frees a game that are slightly dubious/not there. However, Richmond just don't get looked at by the umps when you compare them to their opposition. You can look at the free kick differential tallies that some people publish, but they are flawed. Having a huge differential like we do can easily be because we play on the edge and give away more legitimate frees. However, looking at the frees given away by the opposition when they play us and then comparing that to their season averages does yield some data for a conversation. Namely this, the opposition are routinely giving a decent amount less than their average free kicks away when they play Richmond. This can only lead me to conclude that there has to be some sort of bias here.

I would love for a Journo to work with Champion Data or even the club themselves to actually verify if I am correct or wrong and then to do a multi-year analysis on just the frees against. If Richmond were able to do this for all clubs and then bring it to the AFL's attention then I think an interesting conversation should be had.

TL DR: When Teams play Richmond, they give a decent amount less free kicks away than they normally would in 2021.
 

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SplintWhisky said:
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Ok so I was bored and decided to go full sperg for our season 21. Now I work in Finance and am not a statistician by any means of the imagination so this is very quick standard deviation workings.

Above are 3 tables. The top 2 are free kicks given away by the team when facing Richmond and GWS. The bottom is from the Brisbane game this past week.

Way to read the top 2 Tables. The table on the Left is Richmond games and the Table on the Right is GWS games. What is shown is the free kicks given away by their opponent.
Key:
FA: Frees against
Avg FA: Average frees against
Diff: The difference between the frees against vs that teams frees against for the season to round 10 (e.g in Round 1 Carlton gave away 15 free kicks and their season average is 20)
St Dev from mean: How many Standard Deviations away from the mean that figure is (basically the Z - Score)

Highlights from the top table:
- Over the season, the opponents we have played have given on average close to 1 standard deviation less frees when playing us
- The only team that has been screwed by the umps against us is Hawthorn who gave away close to 1 standard deviation more free kicks when playing against us
- GWS' (who have the best average free kick differential in the league at the moment) opponents on average give away .02 standard deviations more free kicks when playing against the Giants

Now I have only decided to show the Frees Against here because if I were to show Free For the opposition then the standard argument of "It is Richmond's game style to give away more frees" can be easily made to hand wave any results. So what the above table shows is that when teams play us they are on average guaranteed to give away close to 1 St Dev less frees. So to put this into context, this week against Adelaide we can expect around 14 - 15 free kicks for Richmond (Adelaide averages 20.5 frees against for the season and the St Dev is 5) based on the previous 10 games. Now I am not 100% sure if this is correct to show a bias, however it does to me. This is because the figures in the above tables are based solely on frees given away by teams when playing either Richmond or GWS. Basically when you play GWS you are more than likely going to give away your season's average in frees and when you play Richmond you are going to give away less frees.

Highlights from the Bottom Table
- Richmond gave away 1.8 St Dev more free kicks than average to Brisbane and received the season average
- Brisbane gave away .8 St Dev less free kicks whilst also receiving 2.2 St Dev more free kicks than their season average

We got bent over and told to bite the pillow because the umps are going in dry up at the Gabba. I believe that in this game, Brisbane, in theory, had a frees for tally that only 2.3% of their matches the season could beat. For frees against, only approximately 15.9% of their games this season will they give away less free kicks.

Conclusions
Like I have previously said, I do not like to look at the frees that Richmond give away. A lot of them (in my opinion) are there and it is stupid to cry about the 2-4 frees a game that are slightly dubious/not there. However, Richmond just don't get looked at by the umps when you compare them to their opposition. You can look at the free kick differential tallies that some people publish, but they are flawed. Having a huge differential like we do can easily be because we play on the edge and give away more legitimate frees. However, looking at the frees given away by the opposition when they play us and then comparing that to their season averages does yield some data for a conversation. Namely this, the opposition are routinely giving a decent amount less than their average free kicks away when they play Richmond. This can only lead me to conclude that there has to be some sort of bias here.

I would love for a Journo to work with Champion Data or even the club themselves to actually verify if I am correct or wrong and then to do a multi-year analysis on just the frees against. If Richmond were able to do this for all clubs and then bring it to the AFL's attention then I think an interesting conversation should be had.

TL DR: When Teams play Richmond, they give a decent amount less free kicks away than they normally would in 2021.
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Great work, much appreciated.
There are 2 possibilities* as I see it.
1) Richmond men don’t generally fall as if shot when infringed against. Exhibit A: M Pickett just prior to his murder of Starsevic.
or 2) there IS actually a conspiracy to bring us down.
I’m leaning towards 1)

*apologies to Harry Hoo, famous Hawaiian detective.
 
tora tora tora said:
The more I think about it the more angry I am. If Daniher is pinged for knee in Vlas's head, the ball is out of the area Cameron & Ralphsmith situation doesn't happen. If umps have the vision to see jumper grabs/holds by RCD where he was two players arms tangled at a ball up. RCD's how can they not see Daniher making no contact to the ball whilst kneeing Vlas.
Baker's frees had one guy running at him head first. Another guy getting the ball out of the pack and dropping into Baker drawing a free. Baker should've just held onto the ball ~ he had no prior in the one near their goals.
Dusty took 3 steps. Not a high tackle. Ball up.
We get no tiggy touchwood frees, no actual frees. It looks like some of their small players are skilled at drawing frees.
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That’s what gives me the shits , I mean fmd if you have +16 frees you gonna get a i50 surplus gifted every day of the week , for the mental midget at Fox to ram stats down our throats besides the frees was too stupid for words
 
biaseddustyfan said:
we might need to bite the bullet and start having training sessions on free milking like every other team does
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We could invite an AFL umpire like Deboy to take some training sessions, reckon we'd still come out on the negative side of the ledger though.
 
Tigerish09 said:
We could invite an AFL umpire like Deboy to take some training sessions, reckon we'd still come out on the negative side of the ledger though.
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no ****en way we want any umpires at our training ground. they will be tasked with sabotage by SHocking for sure
 

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Laughable. How the AFL dont see issue with the other 2 incidents from the Lions players, Bailey and Matheson, the AFL itself has brought the game into disrepute.
A real mess. But they'll just add another bandaid......

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fumbler said:
Isn't that communism?
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Not really. Authoritarian yes.

Communism is the communal ownership of productive assets, and the communal sharing of the results. Communism is basically impossible to make work on any scale. So it has historically turned to unelected dictators to force society into some theory of how the world should work. Which then requires total control and the suppression of criticism. .... So yes, actual Communism works like the AFL a bit. So do right wings authoritarians, old style monarchies, dictatorships and many/most organisations. As far as criticism works anyway.
 
Dr Tigris said:
Not really. Authoritarian yes.

Communism is the communal ownership of productive assets, and the communal sharing of the results. Communism is basically impossible to make work on any scale. So it has historically turned to unelected dictators to force society into some theory of how the world should work. Which then requires total control and the suppression of criticism. .... So yes, actual Communism works like the AFL a bit. So do right wings authoritarians, old style monarchies, dictatorships and many/most organisations. As far as criticism works anyway.
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So your saying they like telling everyone that it's for everyone, only when it suits them?

Sounds more like Obama Care.
 

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SplintWhisky said:
View attachment 1137024

Ok so I was bored and decided to go full sperg for our season 21. Now I work in Finance and am not a statistician by any means of the imagination so this is very quick standard deviation workings.

Above are 3 tables. The top 2 are free kicks given away by the team when facing Richmond and GWS. The bottom is from the Brisbane game this past week.

Way to read the top 2 Tables. The table on the Left is Richmond games and the Table on the Right is GWS games. What is shown is the free kicks given away by their opponent.
Key:
FA: Frees against
Avg FA: Average frees against
Diff: The difference between the frees against vs that teams frees against for the season to round 10 (e.g in Round 1 Carlton gave away 15 free kicks and their season average is 20)
St Dev from mean: How many Standard Deviations away from the mean that figure is (basically the Z - Score)

Highlights from the top table:
- Over the season, the opponents we have played have given on average close to 1 standard deviation less frees when playing us
- The only team that has been screwed by the umps against us is Hawthorn who gave away close to 1 standard deviation more free kicks when playing against us
- GWS' (who have the best average free kick differential in the league at the moment) opponents on average give away .02 standard deviations more free kicks when playing against the Giants

Now I have only decided to show the Frees Against here because if I were to show Free For the opposition then the standard argument of "It is Richmond's game style to give away more frees" can be easily made to hand wave any results. So what the above table shows is that when teams play us they are on average guaranteed to give away close to 1 St Dev less frees. So to put this into context, this week against Adelaide we can expect around 14 - 15 free kicks for Richmond (Adelaide averages 20.5 frees against for the season and the St Dev is 5) based on the previous 10 games. Now I am not 100% sure if this is correct to show a bias, however it does to me. This is because the figures in the above tables are based solely on frees given away by teams when playing either Richmond or GWS. Basically when you play GWS you are more than likely going to give away your season's average in frees and when you play Richmond you are going to give away less frees.

Highlights from the Bottom Table
- Richmond gave away 1.8 St Dev more free kicks than average to Brisbane and received the season average
- Brisbane gave away .8 St Dev less free kicks whilst also receiving 2.2 St Dev more free kicks than their season average

We got bent over and told to bite the pillow because the umps are going in dry up at the Gabba. I believe that in this game, Brisbane, in theory, had a frees for tally that only 2.3% of their matches the season could beat. For frees against, only approximately 15.9% of their games this season will they give away less free kicks.

Conclusions
Like I have previously said, I do not like to look at the frees that Richmond give away. A lot of them (in my opinion) are there and it is stupid to cry about the 2-4 frees a game that are slightly dubious/not there. However, Richmond just don't get looked at by the umps when you compare them to their opposition. You can look at the free kick differential tallies that some people publish, but they are flawed. Having a huge differential like we do can easily be because we play on the edge and give away more legitimate frees. However, looking at the frees given away by the opposition when they play us and then comparing that to their season averages does yield some data for a conversation. Namely this, the opposition are routinely giving a decent amount less than their average free kicks away when they play Richmond. This can only lead me to conclude that there has to be some sort of bias here.

I would love for a Journo to work with Champion Data or even the club themselves to actually verify if I am correct or wrong and then to do a multi-year analysis on just the frees against. If Richmond were able to do this for all clubs and then bring it to the AFL's attention then I think an interesting conversation should be had.

TL DR: When Teams play Richmond, they give a decent amount less free kicks away than they normally would in 2021.
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Thanks for posting that - I found the same thing when I did an analysis. The numbers simply don't lie.
 
Dr Tigris said:
Not really. Authoritarian yes.

Communism is the communal ownership of productive assets, and the communal sharing of the results. Communism is basically impossible to make work on any scale. So it has historically turned to unelected dictators to force society into some theory of how the world should work. Which then requires total control and the suppression of criticism. .... So yes, actual Communism works like the AFL a bit. So do right wings authoritarians, old style monarchies, dictatorships and many/most organisations. As far as criticism works anyway.
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The state of Kerala in India is communist, democratically elected Marxist governments, and one of the most progressive in India. 100% literacy rate etc. Just sticking up for communism because I've nothing better to do in my lunch break.
 
So now the AFL is threading suspensions for criticism, what a joke of an administration, the
fumbler said:
Isn't that communism?
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dictatorship, nazi Germany comes to mind, what are they afraid of
 

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