Updated heights and weights for 2014

[Shaneprice97]

Hey all, was just on the Collingwood website and i saw that they have updated the heights and weights for the players. Ive noticed a few players have grown in height and some theory's of certain players heights like Jon Marsh can be settled(for the moment).
1. Alex Fasolo: 181cm/84kg
2. Sam Dwyer: 180cm/76kg
3. Brent Macaffer: 187cm/89kg
4. Brodie Grundy: 203cm/101kg
5. Nick Maxwell: 193cm/93kg
6. Tyson Goldsack: 193cm/92kg
7. Ben Kennedy: 175cm/76kg
8. Heretier Lumumba: 188cm/91kg
9. Martin Clarke: 181cm/85kg
10. Scott Pendlebury: 191cm/ 91kg
11. Jarryd Blair: 174cm/81kg
12. Luke Ball: 184cm/83kg
13. Taylor Adams: 181cm/84kg
14. Clinton Young: 189cm/88kg
15. Jarrod Witts: 209cm/113kg
16. Nathan J. Brown: 195cm/101kg
17. Dayne Beams: 186cm/85kg
18. Jesse White: 196cm/102kg
19. Jamie Elliot: 178cm/79kg
20. Ben Reid: 195cm/102kg
21. Quentin Lynch: 192cm/103kg
22. Steele Sidebottom: 180cm/ 85kg
23. Lachlan Keeffe: 204cm/102kg
24. Josh Thomas: 178cm/78kg
25. Ben Hudson: 199cm/106cm
26. Marley Williams: 181cm/83kg
27. Tony Armstrong: 183cm/80kg
28. Ben Sinclair: 183cm/80kg
29. Tim Broomhead: 184cm/77kg
31. Jackson Ramsay: 183cm/77kg
32. Travis Cloke: 196cm/108kg
33. Patrick Karnezis: 191cm/88kg
34. Alan Toovey: 189cm/89kg
35. Matthew Scharenberg: 191cm/87kg
36. Dane Swan: 185cm/93kg
37. Kyle Martin: 180cm/77kg
38. Peter Yagmoor: 182kg/85kg
39. Nathan Freeman: 183cm/87kg
40. Paul Seedsman: 190cm/87kg
41. Tom Langdon: 189cm/85kg
43. Adam Oxley: 192cm/78kg
44. Corey Gault: 199cm/96kg
45. Jack Frost: 195cm/89kg
46. Jonathon Marsh: 193cm/87kg
48. Caolan Mooney: 184cm/84kg
*note it might have only been the heights that were updated, im not as familiar with the weights as i was with the heights but from memory the weights look the same.

 

[Jonno94]

They are not correct, which is the same of every teams website atm.

 

[Shaneprice97]

They are not correct, which is the same of every teams website atm.

How do you know this??

 

[Jonno94]

How do you know this??

2. Sam Dwyer: 180cm/76kg
7. Ben Kennedy: 175cm/76kg
12. Luke Ball: 184cm/83kg
13. Taylor Adams: 181cm/84kg
15. Jarrod Witts: 209cm/113kg
19. Jamie Elliot: 178cm/79kg
24. Josh Thomas: 178cm/78kg
28. Ben Sinclair: 183cm/80kg
29. Tim Broomhead: 184cm/77kg
37. Kyle Martin: 180cm/77kg
38. Peter Yagmoor: 182kg/85kg
48. Caolan Mooney: 184cm/84kg

These players haven't grown, the bolded are just hilarious. Like I said they are currently wrong on all the teams websites.

 

[Wayne Arnold]

There's no way Jackson Paine is 194cm.

 

[TradeDraft]

2. Sam Dwyer: 180cm/76kg
7. Ben Kennedy: 175cm/76kg
12. Luke Ball: 184cm/83kg
13. Taylor Adams: 181cm/84kg
15. Jarrod Witts: 209cm/113kg
19. Jamie Elliot: 178cm/79kg
24. Josh Thomas: 178cm/78kg
28. Ben Sinclair: 183cm/80kg
29. Tim Broomhead: 184cm/77kg
37. Kyle Martin: 180cm/77kg
38. Peter Yagmoor: 182kg/85kg
48. Caolan Mooney: 184cm/84kg

These players haven't grown, the bolded are just hilarious. Like I said they are currently wrong on all the teams websites.

The Information comes from Champions Data

 

[Shaneprice97]

2. Sam Dwyer: 180cm/76kg
7. Ben Kennedy: 175cm/76kg
12. Luke Ball: 184cm/83kg
13. Taylor Adams: 181cm/84kg
15. Jarrod Witts: 209cm/113kg
19. Jamie Elliot: 178cm/79kg
24. Josh Thomas: 178cm/78kg
28. Ben Sinclair: 183cm/80kg
29. Tim Broomhead: 184cm/77kg
37. Kyle Martin: 180cm/77kg
38. Peter Yagmoor: 182kg/85kg
48. Caolan Mooney: 184cm/84kg

These players haven't grown, the bolded are just hilarious. Like I said they are currently wrong on all the teams websites.

Hilarious? You have one odd sense of humor.
The average person cam grown till they are in there mid 20's, i dont see why this doesnt apply for AFL players.

 

[Jonno94]

Hilarious? You have one odd sense of humor.
The average person cam grown till they are in there mid 20's, i dont see why this doesnt apply for AFL players.

That's entirely untrue, so you're suggesting Sam Dwyer has grown 3cm since last year at 27 years of age?

 

[Knightmare]

2. Sam Dwyer: 180cm/76kg
7. Ben Kennedy: 175cm/76kg
12. Luke Ball: 184cm/83kg
13. Taylor Adams: 181cm/84kg
15. Jarrod Witts: 209cm/113kg
19. Jamie Elliot: 178cm/79kg
24. Josh Thomas: 178cm/78kg
28. Ben Sinclair: 183cm/80kg
29. Tim Broomhead: 184cm/77kg
37. Kyle Martin: 180cm/77kg
38. Peter Yagmoor: 182kg/85kg
48. Caolan Mooney: 184cm/84kg

These players haven't grown, the bolded are just hilarious. Like I said they are currently wrong on all the teams websites.

You can't help but think the club are trying to increase the trade value of many of the smalls for the scenario we decide to move some of them on. Almost not unlike listing Paine at 194cm when he was only 191cm.

The club is either feeding the players a strong dose of human growth hormone or incorrectly listing some of the heights. I'll take the latter as being the more likely given the clubs view towards looking for arbitrary ways for the team to improve as opposed to going the Essendon route and looking for ways to cheat.

 

[blaze036]

That's entirely untrue, so you're suggesting Sam Dwyer has grown 3cm since last year at 27 years of age?

People can change heights throughout the day as their spine lengthens so I don't think it's too preposterous

 

[MyManLynch]

There's no way Jackson Paine is 194cm.

Looks as though the banana benders shrunk him.

 

[Kirby]

The other ridiculous thing is when the weight doesn't change from year to year when clearly some blokes are many kilos heavier, particularly the young players in their first couple of years.

 

[Baltimore Jack]

You can't help but think the club are trying to increase the trade value of many of the smalls for the scenario we decide to move some of them on. Almost not unlike listing Paine at 194cm when he was only 191cm.

The club is either feeding the players a strong dose of human growth hormone or incorrectly listing some of the heights. I'll take the latter as being the more likely given the clubs view towards looking for arbitrary ways for the team to improve as opposed to going the Essendon route and looking for ways to cheat.

What do you base the heights and weights you believe to be true, on?
What other official list do you have? Can you produce an official list?

Just to say they are wrong, doesn't make them wrong

 

[Knightmare]

What do you base the heights and weights you believe to be true, on?
What other official list do you have? Can you produce an official list?

Just to say they are wrong, doesn't make them wrong

Using the eye test and determining that Paine is shorter than Goldsack as one example often works quite well.

In looking at "updated heights" it's highly suspicious that so many sub 180cm types have all grown 2cm each. Dwyer, Martin, and J.Thomas are hardly teenagers and after years of not growing are hardly growing now.

For those who study the player heights/weights from year to year the trend is relatively easy to pick up and it's a head scratcher to look at numbers which physically are not possible if measured correctly from year to year.

 

[blaze036]

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Looks as though the banana benders shrunk him.

They've done a lot more than shrink him looking at his new profile pic

 

[Baltimore Jack]

Using the eye test and determining that Paine is shorter than Goldsack as one example often works quite well.

In looking at "updated heights" it's highly suspicious that so many sub 180cm types have all grown 2cm each. Dwyer, Martin, and J.Thomas are hardly teenagers and after years of not growing are hardly growing now.

For those who study the player heights/weights from year to year the trend is relatively easy to pick up and it's a head scratcher to look at numbers which physically are not possible if measured correctly from year to year.

So I'm right in assuming you have no official list(s) it just a matter of your guess work against an official* Champion Data list.
Then shouldn't you say that?

* Champion Data are the Official AFL statisticians.

 

[Old Spice]

You can't help but think the club are trying to increase the trade value of many of the smalls for the scenario we decide to move some of them on. Almost not unlike listing Paine at 194cm when he was only 191cm.

The club is either feeding the players a strong dose of human growth hormone or incorrectly listing some of the heights. I'll take the latter as being the more likely given the clubs view towards looking for arbitrary ways for the team to improve as opposed to going the Essendon route and looking for ways to cheat.

That's just ridiculous. A club will do their due diligence and there is no way that a club will be hoodwinked in this way.

 

[Knightmare]

So I'm right in assuming you have no official list(s) it just a matter of your guess work against an official* Champion Data list.
Then shouldn't you say that?

* Champion Data are the Official AFL statisticians.

It's a case of history suggesting that current listings are incorrect.

Using common sense should suggest a Sam Dwyer turning 28 this year did not grow 2cm over the offseason among other puzzling cases as Jonno above alluded to.

It's either a case of the listing was incorrect last year or incorrect this year.

At one point or another the listings have without question been manipulated or just simply wrongly listed.

 

[Old Spice]

Using the eye test and determining that Paine is shorter than Goldsack as one example often works quite well.

In looking at "updated heights" it's highly suspicious that so many sub 180cm types have all grown 2cm each. Dwyer, Martin, and J.Thomas are hardly teenagers and after years of not growing are hardly growing now.

For those who study the player heights/weights from year to year the trend is relatively easy to pick up and it's a head scratcher to look at numbers which physically are not possible if measured correctly from year to year.

Dwyer and Martin were fresh from the VFL so I wouldn't be surprised if the 1st year measurements were simply lifted from out-dated VFL records. Thomas growing from 176 when he was recruited to 178 would not surprise me with rounding up.

 

[Old Spice]

I note also that not every player of long-standing grows every year.

The discrepancy seems to relate to first year players, whether they be young or more mature. I'd suggest it is a record keeping issue.

 

[Knightmare]

That's just ridiculous. A club will do their due diligence and there is no way that a club will be hoodwinked in this way.

Clubs will but none the less look at a club list and seeing a guy is 2cm taller makes you feel easier about the recruitment as extra height with those small mids and those undersized key forwards is obviously favourable and only makes the more desirable.

It depends if clubs trust the listings as closely

Dwyer and Martin were fresh from the VFL so I wouldn't be surprised if the 1st year measurements were simply lifted from out-dated VFL records. Thomas growing from 176 when he was recruited to 178 would not surprise me with rounding up.

As a 22 year old having not grown in his since his debut season in 2010?

Strange time to grow 2cm.

I can only imagine that could only be correct if the club has failed to measure him since he was first recruited.

 

[Old Spice]

Clubs will but none the less look at a club list and seeing a guy is 2cm taller makes you feel easier about the recruitment as extra height with those small mids and those undersized key forwards is obviously favourable and only makes the more desirable.

It depends if clubs trust the listings as closely


As a 22 year old having not grown in his since his debut season in 2010?

Strange time to grow 2cm.

I can only imagine that could only be correct if the club has failed to measure him since he was first recruited.

Again, it is the players who appear on the list as first years (mature or young) who have the question marks.

I suspect that AFL clubs take the measurements provided to them by the feeder competitions and run with that. So in this case Dwyer may have started at 177 whenever he started and in the intervening years has grown several centimetres when someone bothered to re-measure.

 

[piedpiper32]

So I'm right in assuming you have no official list(s) it just a matter of your guess work against an official* Champion Data list.
Then shouldn't you say that?

* Champion Data are the Official AFL statisticians.

Is this the same Champion Data who have classed Cloke as only Above Average not Elite, and have also ranked our list as only the 10th best? They don't strike me as a mob that looks into the fine details too much.

 

[Old Spice]

Is this the same Champion Data who have classed Cloke as only Above Average not Elite, and have also ranked our list as only the 10th best? They don't strike me as a mob that looks into the fine details too much.

How you rate someone is subjective, but rulers are standard.

 

[piedpiper32]

How you rate someone is subjective, but rulers are standard.

Yes I was making the point that unless Champion Data was going around to every club with a ruler and measuring every single player, which I am pretty sure they are not, then they are just getting the stats from each club's own listings.

I don't find it at all surprising that heights would be overstated. It happens in other sports as well, NBA basketball being one that I follow fairly closely. The 6 foot and 7 foot thresholds are often critical so you will see a lot of guys listed at 6-0 or 7-0 even though they are not to give a certain perception. One exception was Tim Duncan who always had himself as 6-11, not wanting to be listed in the 7 footer club and lumped in with the other centers and big guys. He was clearly taller or as tall as many others listed at 7-0 and above.