USA President elections 2020

[sideswipe]

I'd do that very happily if I believed Trump was voted out by the people of America. I don't.

I have called out corruption and deceit for years and almost all of it has come from one direction. Sideswipe, can you explain why the count was stopped in three Democrat states where Trump was leading by healthy margins? They usually keep counting through the night. Three Democrat states in different time zones stopped their counting at the very same moment. Who directed that and why? Then suddenly around 4:00am they find 130000 votes for Biden-enough to push him over the line in Wisconsin?

They had a simple plan in mind and the MSM pushed it. The kept saying there will be a red mirage on the night of the election but rest assured, the mail in ballots will come flooding in and sweep Biden to victory. They mailed out tens of millions of unsolicited mail in ballots for the first time in American political history. Of course they can do all kinds of things with these ballots. There have been numerous finds of boxes of ballots with votes for Trump in ditches and bins. They can also simply fill them in. The whole thing stinks and we all said so long before the event. Why did a Democrat judge rule that matching signatures would not be required to authenticate mail in vote?

This mess was predicted by Trump and is not moaning about a result after the fact. Trump had record votes in New York and amongst blacks and Hispanics yet we are expected to believe he lost Michigan- a state which has been torn apart by Democrat policy and rejuvenated by Trump. So his own base turned against him just enough for Joe to eke out a victory? Trump has recorded incredible numbers, yet we are seeing him suddenly slip behind in a handful of key states. All Joe needs to do is win. The margin doesn't matter. Truly fraudulent people aren't stupid. Enough is as good as a feast. All they have to do is sit back and see how much is required to get Joe over the line. This is happened before but on a far smaller scale-still enough to tip elections.

I am genuinely stunned at the level of corruption in politics. I knew it was always a dirty game but the Democrats (with their surveillance of Trump, The phony Dossier, the disgusting lies and accusations directed at Brett Kavanaugh and the cover up of the Biden laptop scandal by the complicit media and Big Tech has taken it to a whole new level.

Interesting week or two ahead. I think the Democrat machine, media and Big Tech will ultimately triumph. It is simply too powerful. Very sad and worrying times.

If "they" were clever enough to work out a way to game the system, why didn't they manufacture a more comprehensive victory? To make it look realistic?

 

[upnsmoke]

I've seen a few explanations, which indicate that the vote wasn't stopped and that they didn't just 'find' ballots.

Different blocks of votes get registered at different times, including postal votes.

I think you know this. Trump certainly knows this. The sudden appearance of pre-election day ballots --which were always expected to favour Biden-- was always going to used in the narrative of a 'stolen election'.

Bernie predicted as much a few weeks ago.

Fact check: Wisconsin did not 'find' 100K ballots around 4 a.m. the morning after the election, or take break from counting votes

The morning after the election, social media generated an avalanche of claims about the timing of Wisconsin's vote counting. Much of it isn’t true

www.jsonline.com

Did some digging regarding these "fact checkers" and many are owned or backed by bigger companies rather than being independents.

None of them are actually "fact checkers" if their sources are subjective to begin with, pointing to a subjectively determined "information" and calling the information fact is illogical, theory, hypothesis, opinion etc are more accurate words.

Subjectivity means its debatable or can be questioned... in the real world where we need order, we establish law or policies that help put a "fence" around subjectivity and opinion. Like a sports game, why are each quarter determined at 12 minutes or 15 minutes, why does the game stop when time runs out and whomever is leading determined the winner?, why not award the win to the team who made less mistakes and played with less penalties?.

My stance with the mail in votes, if they can be confirmed by the voter, it can be dated properly and it can be secured before the closure of the poll station (8pm in most places), then sure... lets count them.
But seeing a "ballot" box being picked up at 4am the next day and delivered into the polling station after a 4 hour "break"... is HIGHLY questionable.

Its like giving a sports team 6 hour break because one of their players is really tired and needs a nap so they can play better.... its just unfair. There should be a hard line, ALL Mail in votes should be locked and secured inside the polling station by the time the last voter-in-attendee cast his or her vote in the polling place. Anything after that is invalid.

 

[Bramax]

I'd do that very happily if I believed Trump was voted out by the people of America. I don't.

I have called out corruption and deceit for years and almost all of it has come from one direction. Sideswipe, can you explain why the count was stopped in three Democrat states where Trump was leading by healthy margins? They usually keep counting through the night. Three Democrat states in different time zones stopped their counting at the very same moment. Who directed that and why? Then suddenly around 4:00am they find 130000 votes for Biden-enough to push him over the line in Wisconsin?

They had a simple plan in mind and the MSM pushed it. The kept saying there will be a red mirage on the night of the election but rest assured, the mail in ballots will come flooding in and sweep Biden to victory. They mailed out tens of millions of unsolicited mail in ballots for the first time in American political history. Of course they can do all kinds of things with these ballots. There have been numerous finds of boxes of ballots with votes for Trump in ditches and bins. They can also simply fill them in. The whole thing stinks and we all said so long before the event. Why did a Democrat judge rule that matching signatures would not be required to authenticate mail in vote?

This mess was predicted by Trump and is not moaning about a result after the fact. Trump had record votes in New York and amongst blacks and Hispanics yet we are expected to believe he lost Michigan- a state which has been torn apart by Democrat policy and rejuvenated by Trump. So his own base turned against him just enough for Joe to eke out a victory? Trump has recorded incredible numbers, yet we are seeing him suddenly slip behind in a handful of key states. All Joe needs to do is win. The margin doesn't matter. Truly fraudulent people aren't stupid. Enough is as good as a feast. All they have to do is sit back and see how much is required to get Joe over the line. This is happened before but on a far smaller scale-still enough to tip elections.

I am genuinely stunned at the level of corruption in politics. I knew it was always a dirty game but the Democrats (with their surveillance of Trump, The phony Dossier, the disgusting lies and accusations directed at Brett Kavanaugh and the cover up of the Biden laptop scandal by the complicit media and Big Tech has taken it to a whole new level.

Interesting week or two ahead. I think the Democrat machine, media and Big Tech will ultimately triumph. It is simply too powerful. Very sad and worrying times.

Sadly it’s the end of America as we know it. In a few short years, everyone who posted on this thread will look back and wonder how America became a socialist country. The radical left will remain in power forever now.
The US economy will disintegrate the same as every other socialist run country and will be in ruins.
The not so funny part is Australia will then have to fend for itself militarily and we know how that will turn out. So to all the Trump haters, you should have been more careful what you wished for.

 

[JB1975]

Did some digging regarding these "fact checkers" and many are owned or backed by bigger companies rather than being independents.

None of them are actually "fact checkers" if their sources are subjective to begin with, pointing to a subjectively determined "information" and calling the information fact is illogical, theory, hypothesis, opinion etc are more accurate words.

Subjectivity means its debatable or can be questioned... in the real world where we need order, we establish law or policies that help put a "fence" around subjectivity and opinion. Like a sports game, why are each quarter determined at 12 minutes or 15 minutes, why does the game stop when time runs out and whomever is leading determined the winner?, why not award the win to the team who made less mistakes and played with less penalties?.

My stance with the mail in votes, if they can be confirmed by the voter, it can dated properly and it can be secured before the closure of the poll station (8pm in most places), then sure... lets count them.
But seeing a "ballot" box being picked up at 4am in the morning and delivered into the polling station after a 4 hour "break"... is HIGHLY questionable.

Its like giving a sports team 6 hour break because one of their players is really tired and needs a nap so they can play better.... its just unfair. There should be a hard line, ALL Mail in votes should be locked and secured inside the polling station by the time the last voter-in-attendee cast his or her vote in the polling place. Anything after that is invalid.

Do you have any reason or evidence to suggest that the Milwaukee 'fact checker' has it wrong?

 

[upnsmoke]

Do you have any reason or evidence to suggest that the Milwaukee 'fact checker' has it wrong?

My post was not addressed specifically to that Milwaukee fact checker, my post was in general. I have not read that Milwaukee fact checker yet, I'll let you know what I find, if I get around to it.

But in general, just spend a few minutes researching the fact checkers. In my line of work, my references have to be backed by certified numbers, traceable numbers etc. And if its not, I have to outline who "spoke of it" or who mentioned it and claim it as "According to..."

Because as an Engineer, if my work cause safety issues or breaches, and its because I used an "opinion" or a subjective source, then my butt is hold accountable. Journalists and "fact checkers" today actually aren't referenced by scientific or policy/legal industries for a reason.... "fact checkers" are sources for Internet warriors and "journalists"...

 

[Markfs]

You are an ignorant man, Markfs. Rudi destroyed the mafia in New York. He was regarded as a brave, truth teller and advocate for the man in the street. He hasn't changed. He is still fighting corrupt mobs. List Don juniors lies for me and tell me what's on his laptop.

you like connecting bidens.... here's an excerpt from wiki about rudi's father

"Harold Giuliani, a plumber and a bartender,[25] had trouble holding a job, was convicted of felony assault and robbery, and served prison time in Sing Sing.[26] Once released, he worked as an enforcer for his brother-in-law Leo D'Avanzo, who operated for organized crime a loan sharking and gambling ring at a restaurant in Brooklyn

and rudi smashed the mafia eh...he was employed to prosecute an organisation of a past era..

as for don jnr's laptop, i would guess theres photos and videos of miss universe contestants involved in behaviour that would shock their mothers.

 

[Bramax]

If "they" were clever enough to work out a way to game the system, why didn't they manufacture a more comprehensive victory? To make it look realistic?

Because of the size of the margin Trump was winning by. The Dems can only “find” as certain amount of ballots for each state and there are reports that 101% of registered voters voted in Wisconsin?
There will be an audit of the mail in ballots and voter fraud will be discovered very quickly.

 

[Black_White]

Trump has been laying this narrative for months, knowing he would likely lose the vote.
Without evidence that there is mail in fraud, he continually pumped up the idea that there could be.
So what do you think his supporters, or even his employees will do?
Create a little fraud so that they can go to court. It's the self fulfilling prophecy, created with enough time to do the deed.
All this on the back of this;

'They're not needed, sir': Postmaster General Louis DeJoy says USPS won't replace removed mail-sorting machines

The USPS has been quietly destroying mail-sorting machines across the US, though it's not clear how many.

www.businessinsider.com

And this;

'To me, it's voter suppression': the Republican fight to limit ballot boxes

Election officials in US battleground states are still fighting to limit their usage with only days left until 3 November

www.theguardian.com

And absolute fraud being perpetrated by the Republican Party;

California elections officials order Republicans to remove illegal ballot drop boxes

Secretary of State Alex Padilla orders California GOP to remove illegal ballot drop boxes that appeared over the weekend. A party spokesman says they'll see him "in court."

www.cbsnews.com

There is only one candidate and one party that had to resort to attempting to steal this election. And that isn't the man who is poised to become President Of The United States.

 

[Markfs]

Sadly it’s the end of America as we know it. In a few short years, everyone who posted on this thread will look back and wonder how America became a socialist country. The radical left will remain in power forever now.
The US economy will disintegrate the same as every other socialist run country and will be in ruins.
The not so funny part is Australia will then have to fend for itself militarily and we know how that will turn out. So to all the Trump haters, you should have been more careful what you wished for.

dont worry it wont take years, the socialism will continue in a few months when the govt gives america's wealthy billions of dollars of taxpayers money to fund the recovery from the virus....

 

[sideswipe]

Because of the size of the margin Trump was winning by. The Dems can only “find” as certain amount of ballots for each state and there are reports that 101% of registered voters voted in Wisconsin?
There will be an audit of the mail in ballots and voter fraud will be discovered very quickly.

That's a relief. I guess the US won't turn into a socialist country after all.

 

[Markfs]

or maybe the socialism will continue when the gov't stops using taxpayers dollars to subsidise the oil industry to the tune of $40 billion...

 

[The Royal Sampler]

Trump is losing his lead in Georgia and Pennsylvania. Biden could end up with a pretty solid margin in terms of EC votes if he wins all of Arizona, Nevada, Georgia and Pennsylvania. North Carolina will still likely go the way of the Republicans.

 

[Markfs]

straight from the oracle...



one word summary...... loser
three word summary....you're fired loser

 

[Markfs]

bilingual liar...

 

[WalterBlaknWhte]

Now have a braincrush on Michigan's Secretary of State, Jocelyn Benson

Based on today's performance, she is destined for higher office

Formidable

 

[anshell]

I see the Trump numpties are still peddling their lies and conspiracy theories just like their dear leader.Give up guys.You lost It’s over.Just accept reality and move on with your lives,if you can,that is.

 

[Markfs]

You are an ignorant man, Markfs. Rudi destroyed the mafia in New York. He was regarded as a brave, truth teller and advocate for the man in the street. He hasn't changed. He is still fighting corrupt mobs. List Don juniors lies for me and tell me what's on his laptop.

Talking about Rudy and history and telling the truth.....

Donald Trump hosted a “calendar girl” party at Mar-a-Lago in 1992, the guest list for which consisted of him, Jeffrey Epstein, and “28 girls.” It is also the same Donald Trump who was videotaped dancing and joking with Epstein at another party at Mar-a-Lago, surrounded by young cheerleaders for the Buffalo Bills and Miami Dolphins. In fact, Trump remained on extremely friendly terms with Epstein for at least another decade, telling New York in 2002 that Epstein was a “terrific guy” and “a lot of fun to be with,” adding, “It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side.”

The always truthful Rudy said the following https://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/4...-epstein-case-could-implicate-a-lot-of-people


“If you spent this much time with him and he was so involved with these underaged girls — who did you see him with and what was he doing and what did he tell you and what did he say to you and how could you have missed it,” he told Hill.TV. “Maybe some were innocent — maybe some weren’t, but I think they’re going to investigate everybody.”

 

[Markfs]

Now have a braincrush on Michigan's Secretary of State, Jocelyn Benson

Based on today's performance, she is destined for higher office

Formidable

a blonde rinse, more "flattering" clothes and voila....fox news

 

[Markfs]

Now have a braincrush on Michigan's Secretary of State, Jocelyn Benson

Based on today's performance, she is destined for higher office

Formidable

I watched her video where she outlined the number of people working on the poll, the time spent, the fact there are bipartisan scrutineers etc..... and Trump just dismisses all of this and these people as cheats and liars... it's just another representation of what he thinks of people who arent doing his bidding. The ironic thing is that he doesnt think any better of those who are crawling up his behind... and the thing that gets to me is people take this slap in the face and love it. I understand him ....but it's his followers

 

[WalterBlaknWhte]

I watched her video where she outlined the number of people working on the poll, the time spent, the fact there are bipartisan scrutineers etc..... and Trump just dismisses all of this and these people as cheats and liars... it's just another representation of what he thinks of people who arent doing his bidding. The ironic thing is that he doesnt think any better of those who are crawling up his behind... and the thing that gets to me is people take this slap in the face and love it. I understand him ....but it's his followers

Rudy Giuliani and Chris Christie became supplicants to an ignorant bully

Senators Cruz, Rubio, Graham also became sycophants to Trump

All have shown shallow political and moral conviction

And yes, follower psychology is fascinating

Edit: Sean Hannity looks genuinely aggrieved, can hear him breathing as he talks, wonder if he will be an equity holder in Trump TV

 

[Markfs]

only 56 more to go!!!!!

 

[Maggie5]

Meanwhile ...

 

[Markfs]

Rudy Giuliani and Chris Christie became supplicants to an ignorant bully

Senators Cruz, Rubio, Graham also became sycophants to Trump

All have shown shallow political and moral conviction

And yes, follower psychology is fascinating

Edit: Sean Hannity looks genuinely aggrieved, can hear him breathing as he talks, wonder if he will be an equity holder in Trump TV

Good call on the last bit...

The people like Christie etc are getting a cut of the take.... i'm talking about poor misguided simple folk like professor domos who adheres himself to Trump without thought or question. I feel sorry for them in part and a little annoyed at them, god bless poor ol professor domie..

 

[Antz]

Does anyone know about the packing of the court? I think I heard that the Democrats can't pack the supreme court now due to the strong showing of votes for the Republicans in the election.

 

[magpie_marty]

Sadly it’s the end of America as we know it. In a few short years, everyone who posted on this thread will look back and wonder how America became a socialist country. The radical left will remain in power forever now.
The US economy will disintegrate the same as every other socialist run country and will be in ruins.
The not so funny part is Australia will then have to fend for itself militarily and we know how that will turn out. So to all the Trump haters, you should have been more careful what you wished for.

Not to mention a lack of water to wash the dishes efficiently in a dishwasher and flushing the toilet,having a shower etc.