VAFA General Discussion

[bedford]

FWIW new vafa president creating a big footy account and the Herald Sun doing a write up on Div1-Div4 recruits, what other nuggets does 2024 have in store? Bedford as the new mod?

Happy to accept fwiw

 

[Gia77]

In hindsight VAFA should have implemented a reserve day

 

[bedford]

That isn't really the VAFA's fault, is it?

Well let's here from them how the clubs voted

 

[HedgeFund]

I'd argue, though, that said team had 16 opportunities to improve their ladder position throughout the season and failed to do so.

Maybe a tenuous analogy but footy fixtures are littered with variables, of which none are fair.

Statistically speaking, 16 games is enough of a sample size to determine the best 4 sides, and the worst 2 sides.

1. You only focused on finals and promotion, when relegation consequences are an equally relevant consideration in a season where 2 games are missed

2. the beauty of an 18 game season for 10 team competitions is the pure fact each team plays all other 9, both home and away. That actually IS A fair draw, which we should all demand. The alternative of 16 matches only results in an uneven and unfair “fixture”.

3. who on earth looks at football matches as a “sample size”? It’s not a statistical analysis, it’s an exercise in fairness. Pure and simple.

4. if 8th finished 3/13, 9th finished 3/13 (fractionally lower on percentage) and 10th finished 0/16, with 8th playing 10th twice and banking those points, and escaping playing 9th and the undefeated juggernaut which finished 1st for a second time….. it would be patently unfair and objectively wrong.

I can’t understand how this wouldn’t be self evident.

 

[bedford]

1. You only focused on finals and promotion, when relegation consequences are an equally relevant consideration in a season where 2 games are missed

2. the beauty of an 18 game season for 10 team competitions is the pure fact each team plays all other 9, both home and away. That actually IS A fair draw, which we should all demand. The alternative of 16 matches only results in an uneven and unfair “fixture”.

3. who on earth looks at football matches as a “sample size”? It’s not a statistical analysis, it’s an exercise in fairness. Pure and simple.

4. if 8th finished 3/13, 9th finished 3/13 (fractionally lower on percentage) and 10th finished 0/16, with 8th playing 10th twice and banking those points, and escaping playing 9th and the undefeated juggernaut which finished 1st for a second time….. it would be patently unfair and objectively wrong.

I can’t understand how this wouldn’t be self evident.

Well said about the draw , but it's not fair until you reverse the first 9 rounds , not a team playing one in round 1 and then again in round 18 , it's ****ed

 

[Trevor Slopden]

1. You only focused on finals and promotion, when relegation consequences are an equally relevant consideration in a season where 2 games are missed

2. the beauty of an 18 game season for 10 team competitions is the pure fact each team plays all other 9, both home and away. That actually IS A fair draw, which we should all demand. The alternative of 16 matches only results in an uneven and unfair “fixture”.

3. who on earth looks at football matches as a “sample size”? It’s not a statistical analysis, it’s an exercise in fairness. Pure and simple.

4. if 8th finished 3/13, 9th finished 3/13 (fractionally lower on percentage) and 10th finished 0/16, with 8th playing 10th twice and banking those points, and escaping playing 9th and the undefeated juggernaut which finished 1st for a second time….. it would be patently unfair and objectively wrong.

I can’t understand how this wouldn’t be self evident.

The existence of the betting industry would suggest there are a lot of people who do (or who should) look at sample size in sport. Statistics can help us to look at things objectively and there is still potential inequities in playing everyone twice because the strength of teams can by influenced by selection, injury and suspension across the season.

Looking at the current bottom three teams in A to D2 and who they didn’t play in the recent lockdown period, Collegians and Fitzroy stand out as teams that now have a harder draw relative to teams around them.

Whether this is unfair or unlucky is then a separate judgement, though based on the Oxford English definition of fairness

“impartial or just treatment or behaviour without favouritism or discrimination”​

it could be argued it is a stretch to call this “unfair” because the games each club missed were selected randomly and not to deliberately favour a particular team.

 

[workhorse]

1. You only focused on finals and promotion, when relegation consequences are an equally relevant consideration in a season where 2 games are missed

Yes, because my point is if we have to choose between the two scenarios I am favouring finals over makeup games. If we could make up the 2 games and play full finals why wouldn't we. I even made the point of how this could've been achieved.

2. the beauty of an 18 game season for 10 team competitions is the pure fact each team plays all other 9, both home and away. That actually IS A fair draw, which we should all demand. The alternative of 16 matches only results in an uneven and unfair “fixture”.

3. who on earth looks at football matches as a “sample size”? It’s not a statistical analysis, it’s an exercise in fairness. Pure and simple.

Trevor Slopen's post above is a pretty decent response to this.

4. if 8th finished 3/13, 9th finished 3/13 (fractionally lower on percentage) and 10th finished 0/16, with 8th playing 10th twice and banking those points, and escaping playing 9th and the undefeated juggernaut which finished 1st for a second time….. it would be patently unfair and objectively wrong.

I've already acknowledged this, I'm not arguing against that point at all.

I can’t understand how this wouldn’t be self evident.

Do you realise that I agree with it

A very bitter pill to swallow, indeed, absolutely not denying it.

 

[bedford]

Looks like cases in SA now

 

[workhorse]

Looks like cases in SA now

As long as there's none in Melbourne!

 

[CARLTON2011]

As long as there's none in Melbourne!

Only going to take someone trying to skip their lockdown and slip over the border and that could change very quickly.

 

[Mr Gold]

Only going to take someone trying to skip their lockdown and slip over the border and that could change very quickly.

Here’s plumbing new depths of stupidity by the VAFA.

Old Xavs have a second team entered mid season into the under 23 competition, then have their first scheduled game against Uni Blues forfeited by Uni Blues.

As a result, Old Xaverians 2 now sit atop of the under 23 ladder despite not playing a game yet!

All other teams have fought out 9 games each yet each find themselves one rung lower on the ladder because of ANOTHER absurd and incompetent decision by Mr Brett Connell and his team.

Mr Connell, what are you doing? Please get things in order at VAFA HQ, it’s your responsibility.

 

[Mike Olotripo]

Here’s plumbing new depths of stupidity by the VAFA.

Old Xavs have a second team entered mid season into the under 23 competition, then have their first scheduled game against Uni Blues forfeited by Uni Blues.

As a result, Old Xaverians 2 now sit atop of the under 23 ladder despite not playing a game yet!

All other teams have fought out 9 games each yet each find themselves one rung lower on the ladder because of ANOTHER absurd and incompetent decision by Mr Brett Connell and his team.

Mr Connell, what are you doing? Please get things in order at VAFA HQ, it’s your responsibility.
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Mr Gold is right here that it seems the VAFA is Plumbing new depths of weird and bizarre decisions with this policy in place. Coincidentally, I see a plumbing advertisement on the photo attached!

This league is clearly lopsided and it is pretty obvious looking at the ladder that most of the sides are literally making up the numbers in this competition.

 

[WithThePeanuts]

Here’s plumbing new depths of stupidity by the VAFA.

Old Xavs have a second team entered mid season into the under 23 competition, then have their first scheduled game against Uni Blues forfeited by Uni Blues.

As a result, Old Xaverians 2 now sit atop of the under 23 ladder despite not playing a game yet!

All other teams have fought out 9 games each yet each find themselves one rung lower on the ladder because of ANOTHER absurd and incompetent decision by Mr Brett Connell and his team.

Mr Connell, what are you doing? Please get things in order at VAFA HQ, it’s your responsibility.
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Can anyone confirm this isn’t just an anomaly on SportTG? Surely if you enter a team mid season you start on 0 wins, 0 points and 0%?

 

[Trevor Slopden]

Can anyone confirm this isn’t just an anomaly on SportTG? Surely if you enter a team mid season you start on 0 wins, 0 points and 0%?

Didn’t the “COVID rules” when we lost the two games switch to a Match Ratio calculation for the ladders?

This outcome would be aligned to that, though surely at end of the year their first 8 games need to be treated as forfeits as you say.

 

[bedford]

It's an absolute joke that ladders are missing games , surely there is a better system

 

[WithThePeanuts]

It's an absolute joke that ladders are missing games , surely there is a better system

The AFL have their own registration system which is currently being tested with Auskick. I wouldn’t be surprised if they ditch Sportstg for their system once they get it all right.

 

[bedford]

The AFL have their own registration system which is currently being tested with Auskick. I wouldn’t be surprised if they ditch Sportstg for their system once they get it all right.

The AFL is a competition , thats all

 

[Gia77]

Didn’t the “COVID rules” when we lost the two games switch to a Match Ratio calculation for the ladders?

This outcome would be aligned to that, though surely at end of the year their first 8 games need to be treated as forfeits as you say.

I'd like to know if VAFA is still considering 1 up 1 down or 2 up 2 down, there's a lot to play for and some clubs deserve to go up and if they make the grand final. Look at D4, Elsternwick and South Melbourne by far and away the best sides and should be in D3 next season. Doesnt seem far that only 1 go up

 

[CARLTON2011]

I'd like to know if VAFA is still considering 1 up 1 down or 2 up 2 down, there's a lot to play for and some clubs deserve to go up and if they make the grand final. Look at D4, Elsternwick and South Melbourne by far and away the best sides and should be in D3 next season. Doesnt seem far that only 1 go up

I believe that is being discussed during the break. If more games are lost it is a big chance to be one up one down.

 

[rosejam]

Here’s plumbing new depths of stupidity by the VAFA.

Old Xavs have a second team entered mid season into the under 23 competition, then have their first scheduled game against Uni Blues forfeited by Uni Blues.

As a result, Old Xaverians 2 now sit atop of the under 23 ladder despite not playing a game yet!

All other teams have fought out 9 games each yet each find themselves one rung lower on the ladder because of ANOTHER absurd and incompetent decision by Mr Brett Connell and his team.

Mr Connell, what are you doing? Please get things in order at VAFA HQ, it’s your responsibility.
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Similar story in Div 4 thirds.

Two teams added- both able to make finals (one is on top of the ladder) with soft draws and win %

 

[eth-dog]

Similar story in Div 4 thirds.

Two teams added- both able to make finals (one is on top of the ladder) with soft draws and win %

Old Brighton have beaten 3 of the previous top 4 and South Melbourne Districts. South Melbourne Districts have beaten the team previously in second.

 

[Champ or Chump]

Old Brighton have beaten 3 of the previous top 4 and South Melbourne Districts. South Melbourne Districts have beaten the team previously in second.

Just a shout out to our (Ivanhoe's Thirds Div 4) - Yes the two teams that came into the competition (OB and SMD) have beaten us, buy 3 points and 2 points respectively, but surely the previous 7-1 win loss should not be completely dismissed? It's a strange way to do things, but we will keep our fingers crossed we can win the next two, finish 9-3 and not miss out on finals

Chump.

 

[WithThePeanuts]

The AFL is a competition , thats all

The AFL is a national sporting body

 

[Jascave]

Wondering if the VAFA would consider updating their history book which was published in 1992 to mark 100 years of the VAFA, 'For the Love of the Game', written by Joseph Johnson. Got a copy of the book at home.

 

[Over The Post]

Jase! We've missed you. Nice to see you back.

 

[Over The Post]

Can we all please refrain from making guesses as to the identity of other posters.

It is tiresome and annoying to other posters. Next one to do it - even a "but we all know who they are" - gets a day off.

Refer:
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/a-friendly-reminder.1155905/post-50583310

OTP.