Vent Thread

[asanque]

+7

http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/104347/?tag=hockey

29 second mark

+8

Exactly

 

[YIIIABLETTT]

-1, Cant you atheists go one day without football

nope

 

[banana_bus]

^^ Mate thats slanderous and offensive to many people, including myself.

Do yourself a favour and edit it.

 

[YIIIABLETTT]

^^ Mate thats slanderous and offensive to many people, including myself.

Do yourself a favour and edit it.

yea aight, probs not the place

 

[happy_eagle]

So i presume all you people are celebrating Easter on sunday ?

 

[banana_bus]

yea aight, probs not the place

Cheers

 

[banana_bus]

So i presume all you people are celebrating Easter on sunday ?

Only because Orthodox Easter happens to fall on the same date this year

Melbourne is a multicultural city and Im sure that less that 50% of the population are not devoted Catholics. Should we stop playing football on every religious holiday for every different religion?

But at the end of the day its not our decision, and I can see why they want to keep Catholic Good Friday a holy day. Theres fair arguments on both sides.

 

[Danog]

People understand that Good Friday holds a massive significance for some people. That's why only a night game should be played.

+9 though

 

[DERIBERATE]

Only because Orthodox Easter happens to fall on the same date this year

Melbourne is a multicultural city and Im sure that less that 50% of the population are not devoted Catholics. Should we stop playing football on every religious holiday for every different religion?

But at the end of the day its not our decision, and I can see why they want to keep Catholic Good Friday a holy day. Theres fair arguments on both sides.

They can have their holy day with the shops open.

 

[walken79]

You honestly deserve that 23. Couldn't think of a dumber thing to do than play Warnock ahead of Hille.

So if I had done it last week it would have been a dumb move?
No need to be so harsh mate, I gave my reason- Hille comes up against Sandi this week and I always try bench whoever comes up against him. Hindsight's a wonderful thing in DT...

 

[Crow-mo]

^^ Mate thats slanderous and offensive to many people, including myself.

Do yourself a favour and edit it.

do you know what slander is, and in a secular society you are no more entitled to be offended as he is to think it.

 

[Crow-mo]

Only because Orthodox Easter happens to fall on the same date this year

Melbourne is a multicultural city and Im sure that less that 50% of the population are not devoted Catholics. Should we stop playing football on every religious holiday for every different religion?

But at the end of the day its not our decision, and I can see why they want to keep Catholic Good Friday a holy day. Theres fair arguments on both sides.

there are no fair arguments for prioritising one set of beliefs over another, in a secular state.

here is not the place, but decisions of society and state should not be based on the concerns of ANY religious sect.

 

[Tom12]

Its not a big deal really, but it is a widely recognised religious holiday in Australia?

 

[Kennyrocks]

there are no fair arguments for prioritising one set of beliefs over another, in a secular state.

here is not the place, but decisions of society and state should not be based on the concerns of ANY religious sect.

Perhaps it was a deliberate use of the word to help your argument, but I suggest you check the definition of "sect" mate. I believe you've used it incorrectly here in the context of the discussion on not playing footy on Good Friday.

 

[RickSanchez]

maybe we should...maybe we should

Australian Atheist Alliance! It's triple A

 

[pillager]

Ahhhhh

Politics & Religion are always good for a debate.

Religious arguments always end up with an atheist perspective vs a theist perspective. It's all just a waste of time, both can make a plausible argument.

As for the footy, yes we can certainly afford to miss ONE day of football each year. People would only argue against it because they don't see any significance in Good Friday. Although, they would understand no Football (or cricket because it's summer) on Christmas day, why is that???

Let it go guys... it's just one fricking day. North are just looking for their blockbuster match each year, much like Essendon vs Colingwood on Anzac day.

 

[WoGiTaLiA]

As for the footy, yes we can certainly afford to miss ONE day of football each year. People would only argue against it because they don't see any significance in Good Friday. Although, they would understand no Football (or cricket because it's summer) on Christmas day, why is that???

Christmas is different to Good Friday though, it is a holiday on which something actually happens with the exchanging of gifts and what not. Good Friday is just a day that is dead, really with nothing to do at night or all day it makes perfect sense to have a blockbuster game on that day.

I understand there are religious reasons behind not having the game but in a supposably multicultural society, decisions like this should be separated from a particular religion. The holiday is the recognition of the religious grounds for a "celebration" but those religious grounds should not dictate what people are able to do on that given day, this is the biggest flaw with religion based holidays, it enforces a religion upon people whether they follow that religion or not.

I see no good reason not to have a game on a day that would normally have a game and would very much support there being something to do tonight, given that you know, we can't go out anywhere as it is.

 

[THE_GUN]

Australia is now a multicultural country full of people from many nationalities , cultures & religous beliefs why must the whole of australia stop including football stop because of 1 religons belief's.
sure the good friday appeal is for a good cause & continue with thins around it.

 

[happy_eagle]

Christmas is different to Good Friday though, it is a holiday on which something actually happens with the exchanging of gifts and what not. Good Friday is just a day that is dead, really with nothing to do at night or all day it makes perfect sense to have a blockbuster game on that day.

I understand there are religious reasons behind not having the game but in a supposably multicultural society, decisions like this should be separated from a particular religion. The holiday is the recognition of the religious grounds for a "celebration" but those religious grounds should not dictate what people are able to do on that given day, this is the biggest flaw with religion based holidays, it enforces a religion upon people whether they follow that religion or not.

I see no good reason not to have a game on a day that would normally have a game and would very much support there being something to do tonight, given that you know, we can't go out anywhere as it is.

Good Friday is far from a celebration
It is a day of deep reflection and darkness (even for those non religious)

There are games on Easter Sunday, because that is seen as a celebration of the rising of christ, and football is seen as an activity of celebration and entertainment.

Solem days such as Good Friday are meant to be meaningful and reflective days, where those with faith can truly devote their love to God. For non religious people, it gives them a day to reflect with themselves within, and evaluate their own lives

The AFL feel as though staging an AFL game, would prevent both Christian people, and non Christians from using this day to reflect, and do not feel as though a celebratory entertaining game of football is needed, on what is a dark and spiritual day for a large majority.

It would be like the Americans organizing a large sporting event on September 11, or Poland playing a soccer match against Germany on the anniversary of its invasion.

Although some of us dont understand alot about the Christian faith, and dont believe, we should all acknowledge that it does mean alot to some people (just look at events like world youth day), and surely the rights and demands of these Christians can be followed for one day. After all we have Labour Day, Fathers Day/Mothers Day, ANZAC day etc...

Its irrelevant whether you believe or not


Anyway this the DT board, so lets continue the DT discussion

 

[Vitriol]

football is bigger in Australia then jesus could ever hope to be

i ate my steak and chips rather than fish on friday night and want my footy as well...shouldnt be pushing their beliefs on my sport

 

[banana_bus]

football is bigger in Australia then jesus could ever hope to be

No, its not.

 

[WoGiTaLiA]

Good Friday is far from a celebration

Hence the "" part. I was forced to learn about it at school so I know the meaning behind it.

It is a day of deep reflection and darkness (even for those non religious)

Disagree completely here. For the religious it is, for the non-religious it is a public holiday, a reason to be happy and full of life. It has no more meaning to as a non-religious person than labour day, which to make my point clear means absolutely nothing to me other than I am going to get paid to not go to work. A religious holiday only "means" something to a religious person, to everyone else it is just a holiday.

Solem days such as Good Friday are meant to be meaningful and reflective days, where those with faith can truly devote their love to God. For non religious people, it gives them a day to reflect with themselves within, and evaluate their own lives

That's a very religious based outlook on the day. For non-religous people it is a good chance to relax, put the feet up, catch up with friends and family and just enjoy life. That is what I did today, I woke up when I felt like it, went and visited my brothers and have since chilled, if I didn't have a blown out knee I would be at a mates place tonight getting jolly.

No problem with religious people choosing to reflect(or non-religious for that matter) but to force that activity on others would just be to reinforce the negative outlook that many take towards the church and to force people to not have football is pretty close to being just that. Basically saying this is "our" holiday, screw the rest of you, you can either do what we are doing or nothing.

The AFL feel as though staging an AFL game, would prevent both Christian people, and non Christians from using this day to reflect, and do not feel as though a celebratory entertaining game of football is needed, on what is a dark and spiritual day for a large majority.

That is the AFL's choice and I imagine they have made that decision based on financial reasons. The day that it becomes obvious it is in their best interest to stage a game they will and it will have nothing to do with religion at that point. I also don't agree with the league "siding" with a religion and pushing its views but that is a different issue imo.

It would be like the Americans organizing a large sporting event on September 11, or Poland playing a soccer match against Germany on the anniversary of its invasion.

No, no it wouldn't. Good Friday is a religion based holiday. Those events are far closer to Anzac Day for us. As for what you say, the NFL staged two games as opposed to the normal one on September 11 as a celebration of the day but I will leave it at that because I don't think the two are even close to related, those events happened to the people, as a whole, not a religious demographic. If anything, Sports allow reflection, see Anzac Day each year or the games directly following September 11 and how they were handled, especially in NY, so really I don't see the point of what you are saying in that regard.

Although some of us dont understand alot about the Christian faith, and dont believe, we should all acknowledge that it does mean alot to some people (just look at events like world youth day), and surely the rights and demands of these Christians can be followed for one day. After all we have Labour Day, Fathers Day/Mothers Day, ANZAC day etc...

No problem with respecting those rights, I do have a problem with those views being forced on those that don't share them by way of not allowing a sporting contest(or for pubs to open but that is another issue). They are public holidays and as such affect everyone. I would have no problem if the only people it affected were Christians but the decision not to have football affects everyone. The problem with the "one day thing" is when do we stop having football on Muslim related holidays, Jewish holidays, Chinese holidays or Rastafarian holidays? Do we only respect Christians because there are more of them or they got here first? Respect peoples religious views but don't force their beliefs on others, I'm a big believer in that, and by Christians fighting against football they are doing exactly that.

Its irrelevant whether you believe or not

Actually that is the whole point of the argument. Whether a person believes or follows is exactly the issue at hand. It changes the very nature of what the day means, ie. it either means a lot or nothing more than any other public holiday. ANZAC day and Australia Day are the only days that actually should be able to enforce beliefs on all because of what they stand for, they are the only days that are all encompassing of Australians, if you are in Australia they are for you. Good Friday is a public holiday with significance to many Australians but religious days should not be conduits to push an agenda, that is not what they are for as you have said.

Anyway this the DT board, so lets continue the DT discussion

Right you are!

 

[WoGiTaLiA]

No, its not.

Yes it is! Jesus Ablett may be a great player but the game as a whole is bigger than him I say.

 

[happy_eagle]

Disagree completely here. For the religious it is, for the non-religious it is a public holiday, a reason to be happy and full of life. It has no more meaning to as a non-religious person than labour day, which to make my point clear means absolutely nothing to me other than I am going to get paid to not go to work. A religious holiday only "means" something to a religious person, to everyone else it is just a holiday.


That's a very religious based outlook on the day. For non-religous people it is a good chance to relax, put the feet up, catch up with friends and family and just enjoy life. That is what I did today, I woke up when I felt like it, went and visited my brothers and have since chilled, if I didn't have a blown out knee I would be at a mates place tonight getting jolly.

Do non religious people take any meaning from Christmas

 

[Nothing]

I went to the Western Force tonight, it was packed. Some sports are played, just not the AFL.