Vic v QLD - the rematch

[Bombers_Forever]

Great double hundred to Love- hopefully it will kick start his season. We needed the points but 6 points are so valuable to teams in this comp.

After Langer's declaration disaster last week, I expect that this will be a draw for sure. Hopefully QLD keep batting until lunch tomorrow (if they make it to then without losing wickets) and see what the score is. We can't take 10 wickets and we would not have enough runs to give Victoria a decent target.

A draw for sure.......

 

[Fall Out Boy]

Looks like a dull draw on the boards.

If QLD were desperate for the 6 points, they would have declared upon winning first innings points.

Batting on quite slowly shows no real initiative.

 

[Bombers_Forever]

Great finish to the day. I suspect that they will keep batting until lunch- a lead of 250 plus (possibly 300) and give Victoria a chance. I hope they don't do it because we don't have the bowlers to bowl them out and they can get the runs quickly. Basically we can't take the risk like WA did.

Congrats on your 250 plus Martin- hopefully you will get the 300 tomorrow........don't get out and make sure you don't declare!

 

[pazza]

Flat track brings a run feast.

Tomorrow's warmth won't make it any easier for the bowlers.

 

[RogerC]

Give Victoria a chance for what, bombers_forever? We can't create any result from here except a loss.

My guess is an overnight declaration, giving the Vics the longest possible expanse of futile batting time. If a couple of early wickets go, Victoria may well lose their nerve and get dismissed cheaply. Queensland were definitely trying to push the scoring along in the last session, with varying degrees of success.

There's no telling what a long day of batting with no objective can do to a team.

 

[Bombers_Forever]

Originally posted by RogerC
Give Victoria a chance for what, bombers_forever? We can't create any result from here except a loss.

My guess is an overnight declaration, giving the Vics the longest possible expanse of futile batting time. If a couple of early wickets go, Victoria may well lose their nerve and get dismissed cheaply. Queensland were definitely trying to push the scoring along in the last session, with varying degrees of success.

There's no telling what a long day of batting with no objective can do to a team.

A win.........with any decleration, there is every chance either side could win. If we had a lead of 300 plus, fair enough there would be no possibiliy of a win. Draw is likely.

 

[Fall Out Boy]

Originally posted by Bombers_Forever
A win.........with any decleration, there is every chance either side could win. If we had a lead of 300 plus, fair enough there would be no possibiliy of a win.

Ah, this is still only the first innings mate. Queensland need to be bowled out twice for us to win.

For Victoria to win, we'd need to score 400 and bowl QLD out, all in the one day.

 

[My North]

cricket is a funny game

 

[Fall Out Boy]

Queensland have batted on this morning.

How very defensive and selfish on Martin Love's behalf. The only possible reason for them batting on was his chance at getting a triple century.

Obviously values personal milestones higher than he does the 6 points. Oh well, i hope they bat all day, would help every other state.

 

[w00dy]

that is really dissapointing... i was hoping for a sporting declaration, queensland had the upper hand... there was no way 20 wickets were going to be taken but there was a better chance of them taking 10...

 

[Fall Out Boy]

Exactly.

Obviously it's in our best interests for them to bat on as long as possible, but it's really disappointing for Australian cricket.

Queensland had an excellent chance of pushing for an outright win, yet Love chose to go for personal records (including the highest score by a Queenslander).

And they wonder why people don't go to Shield Cricket...........

 

[Fall Out Boy]

Love gets to 300, then declared.

I hope this selfishness comes back to bite them on the arse later in the year.

 

[Bombers_Forever]

Congratulations to Martin on the 300 but I agree that it is a little selfish. Maybe both teams conceed there will not be a winner. A good target for Victoria to aim for- thier state of mind should be only to keep wickets because they can't win.

 

[guess_who]

Great effort against a depleted bowling attack, but honestly who cares about personal records and all that crap. The point is the game is going to be a draw, my thing is that why make that many runs when it only gives you less of a chance for the outright. He could have declared 100 runs earlier and have a realistic chance for the outright, but selfishness provails once again.

 

[bluechampion]

Vic's winners. Kind've.

Well, it's not a bad result for Victoria. Of a possible 12 points available in the two matches against QLD we came away with 6, they got 2.

The biggest worry is that this batting paradise is our new home strip.

Bet we miss out on hosting the final by two points though.

 

[Lennyfan]

Its bit of a worry having a road of a wicket as our home ground, will be very hard to get 40 wickets in many matches to gain the vital 6 points we seem to be able to get at the MCG....

Looks like Elliot at Hodge are going to bat the day out, well bad luck QLD, you made the game how it is!

 

[Fall Out Boy]

As expected, match ended in a dull draw.

Didn't stop Brad Hodge scoring another century, and Matthew Elliott taking his match tally to 185 runs.

 

[RogerC]

Queensland's best chance at the 6 points would have been either to declare about 100-150 runs behind Victoria, and throw the challenge to us to set a target (anything short of ridiculous would have been gettable on that track), or declare as soon as the first innings points were secured and hope we'd set them something to chase.

What they did was pointless. There's no harm in it, and it did deny us any points from the match, but I can't see what it was supposed to achieve.

My guess is that NSW would have found a way to grab the 6 points - sporting declaration, furious chase.

 

[EagleBlue]

Cant just blame Qld, Dont forget Victoria took 131 overs to reach 380 (not even 3 runs an over) on what was called a "road" including just 250 off 96 overs on the first day. Victorias plan was akin to the Kepler Wessles and Allan Borders theory of yesteryears, (i.e play not to lose first THEN go for the win if possible) to expect Qld to declare 100 or 150 behind would have ensured only one team could win (and it wasnt Qld) because after attempting to bat Qld out of the match in the 1st Innings, there is no way they were going to let them back in the 2nd Innings, Qld said "bugger you jack" you are not getting any points and played accordingly. Not attractive cricket but both teams were to blame for that, not just one. Surprising with Hookes in charge because he was always against that sort of cricket as a player/captain

 

[RogerC]

That's an interesting assessment, EagleBlue, but there's an extra factor involved. After the first day, Matthew Elliot mentioned that the pitch was more difficult to play than it seemed. There was some uneven bounce which forced the batsmen to play more cautiously than they might otherwise have. I think that more likely accounts for the slow scoring than any "Kepler Wessels" strategies.

At any rate, I'm not sure batting aggressively and finding ourselves all out for, say, 300 at the end of the first day on a flattening pitch would help our cause much. Queensland in that case would probably still bat for two days and try to dismiss us on the fourth.

Now I was there on the third day and whatever quirks were in the pitch early were long gone. It was a road. The only way to get a win was to manufacture one, and it would have involved the risk of getting no points for the match.

Sure, if neither side has the guts to go for a win we end up with tame batting practice as we witnessed. But the responsibility for that lies with Queensland, because Victoria were never in a position to do so.

 

[EagleBlue]

Originally posted by RogerC
That's an interesting assessment, EagleBlue, but there's an extra factor involved. After the first day, Matthew Elliot mentioned that the pitch was more difficult to play than it seemed. There was some uneven bounce which forced the batsmen to play more cautiously than they might otherwise have. I think that more likely accounts for the slow scoring than any "Kepler Wessels" strategies.

At any rate, I'm not sure batting aggressively and finding ourselves all out for, say, 300 at the end of the first day on a flattening pitch would help our cause much. Queensland in that case would probably still bat for two days and try to dismiss us on the fourth.

Now I was there on the third day and whatever quirks were in the pitch early were long gone. It was a road. The only way to get a win was to manufacture one, and it would have involved the risk of getting no points for the match.

Sure, if neither side has the guts to go for a win we end up with tame batting practice as we witnessed. But the responsibility for that lies with Queensland, because Victoria were never in a position to do so.

Agree, but the point I was trying to make is that neither side from the outset was pushing hard for a result. Qld didnt want to be 12pts behind Victoria and similarly Victoria didnt want to undo their good work in Brisbane by risking giving 6 pts to a side that is clearly at this stage of the year they are vying with for a spot in the final with NSW.