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Gotta love a few cynics coming in here and talking down the idea of upgrading the WACA. Is there a finite limit, or a set number, of stadiums needed per capita? Cricket is a very popular sport, and even though WAFL football isn't large, junior participation is not only large, it's also important. So too cricket. If they do somehow manage to get a boutique ground up and running for $200 million that'll be an absolute steal: to a government, that's not a huge amount of money when you're shutting up two big sports' for 20 years and helping out with their junior systems.

Perth is a city of 1.5 million people and it'll just get bigger. Cricket and footy isn't going to wane significantly in participation or general interest.

Three stadiums and an indoor arena of that quality and Perth suddenly has a very good case for having one of the best stadium suites in the country. Definitely better than Adelaide and Brissy.
 
I think if footy (wafl) and cricket have the ground locked up for most the year there won't be much competition ie concerts. With the stadium. So that arguement could be rested.
 

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https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/wa/a/33260102/waca-may-keep-test-cricket/#page1

The WACA’s plan to move major cricket matches to the new Perth Stadium has been placed in jeopardy after Treasurer Mike Nahan yesterday dashed cricket’s bid for $175 million to fund a WACA Ground redevelopment.

The WACA has an exit clause in its deal with the State Government that allows it to keep all Test and Big Bash League matches if it does not receive WACA redevelopment funding.

That clause may be activated if the Government supports Dr Nahan’s claim that enough public money already has been allocated to sport in recent years.
 
Sounds a bit like the nuclear option from the WACA. If they do take their bat and ball and go home (so to speak) they will never ever get another cent.

I think they need to stress that their plan is for 2030 or something like that and that they don't need to do all of it at once. Just get the place to a point where cricket and footy could both be played there, and both have their headquarters there. The new grandstands and superior spectator facilities are not essential immediately. They can wait a few years after the novelty of the new stadium wears off.
 
Silent Alarm said:
Gotta love a few cynics coming in here and talking down the idea of upgrading the WACA. Is there a finite limit, or a set number, of stadiums needed per capita? Cricket is a very popular sport, and even though WAFL football isn't large, junior participation is not only large, it's also important. So too cricket. If they do somehow manage to get a boutique ground up and running for $200 million that'll be an absolute steal: to a government, that's not a huge amount of money when you're shutting up two big sports' for 20 years and helping out with their junior systems.

Perth is a city of 1.5 million people and it'll just get bigger. Cricket and footy isn't going to wane significantly in participation or general interest.

Three stadiums and an indoor arena of that quality and Perth suddenly has a very good case for having one of the best stadium suites in the country. Definitely better than Adelaide and Brissy.
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How does junior participation relate to development of the WACA?
 
Silent Alarm said:
Gotta love a few cynics coming in here and talking down the idea of upgrading the WACA. Is there a finite limit, or a set number, of stadiums needed per capita? Cricket is a very popular sport, and even though WAFL football isn't large, junior participation is not only large, it's also important. So too cricket. If they do somehow manage to get a boutique ground up and running for $200 million that'll be an absolute steal: to a government, that's not a huge amount of money when you're shutting up two big sports' for 20 years and helping out with their junior systems.

Perth is a city of 1.5 million people and it'll just get bigger. Cricket and footy isn't going to wane significantly in participation or general interest.

Three stadiums and an indoor arena of that quality and Perth suddenly has a very good case for having one of the best stadium suites in the country. Definitely better than Adelaide and Brissy.
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Perth passed 2 million in population a few years back champ!
 
Kwality said:
How does junior participation relate to development of the WACA?
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The recent proposal basically has a lot to do with dorms, so it'll house regional and state cricket and footy teams who'll use the ground to train and play at. You could even use this sleeping space for country week and stuff like that. It is relevant.
 
holybishop said:
https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/wa/a/33260102/waca-may-keep-test-cricket/#page1

The WACA’s plan to move major cricket matches to the new Perth Stadium has been placed in jeopardy after Treasurer Mike Nahan yesterday dashed cricket’s bid for $175 million to fund a WACA Ground redevelopment.

The WACA has an exit clause in its deal with the State Government that allows it to keep all Test and Big Bash League matches if it does not receive WACA redevelopment funding.

That clause may be activated if the Government supports Dr Nahan’s claim that enough public money already has been allocated to sport in recent years.
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I think that is what is called 'cutting off your nose to spite your face'. For BBL games anyway.
 
greatwhiteshark said:
What sort of crowds realistically do you think the scorchers will get at the new stadium? I have no doubt when the stadium first opens it get large crowds but once the novelty has gone I still think scorchers game will only get 20k.
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You are absolutely dreaming if you think that the Scorchers will only get 20k long term. Dreaming.

Will be 30k+ imo.
 
Kram said:
You are absolutely dreaming if you think that the Scorchers will only get 20k long term. Dreaming.

Will be 30k+ imo.
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Hope you are right, but even at 30k it will be half full in a concrete jungle. Not ideal for kids which 20/20 is aimed at. Stuck in a seat and can't move. Almost certainly more expensive to go to the new stadium. Will families be able to afford it regularly?
Like I said I hope you are right and in the interim the new stadium will get huge crowds no matter what is on.
 

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greatwhiteshark said:
Hope you are right, but even at 30k it will be half full in a concrete jungle. Not ideal for kids which 20/20 is aimed at. Stuck in a seat and can't move. Almost certainly more expensive to go to the new stadium. Will families be able to afford it regularly?
Like I said I hope you are right and in the interim the new stadium will get huge crowds no matter what is on.
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Why would it be more expensive? Have you seen what tickets to the WACA cost now? It's hard to be that much more expensive.

It might depend on results though, no doubt the success of the Scorchers means bigger crowds. But I can see certain games getting 40k+ if they're in a decent timeslot and not shit.
 
greatwhiteshark said:
Hope you are right, but even at 30k it will be half full in a concrete jungle. Not ideal for kids which 20/20 is aimed at. Stuck in a seat and can't move. Almost certainly more expensive to go to the new stadium. Will families be able to afford it regularly?
Like I said I hope you are right and in the interim the new stadium will get huge crowds no matter what is on.
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Umm apart from a couple of grass banks that sell out in about 5 minutes the WACA is a concrete jungle adding that there is bugger all shade. 30k was also just a very conservative estimate. I'd guess that they would actually do a lot better than that.

They also price gouge us badly at the WACA compared to the other grounds because it's so small and sells out long in advance usually (I looked at the first 2 games earlier and already all that is left available is mostly shitty over-priced temporary stand seats staring into the sun), if anything the new stadium with so many seats could be cheaper to attend with a lot more GA available.
 
Admiral Byng said:
I can't see cricket ever agreeing to abandon the WACA in favour of a remodeled Subi ,just for the history and heritage value of the WACA and what it means to cricket.
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I totally agree and there in lies the problem. Cricket is happy in it's mediocracy and has never come to the party and now wants $200 million.
Cricket didn't want the new stadium on it's land. Subiaco would have loved to have had a new stadium on it's land.
People have to stop talking about the heritage value of both locations - they are both useless stadiums with little value.

I cannot believe that land acquisition (and ultimate sale) has not been part of any public discussion.
I know it's definitely not going to happen but the best solution would be the sale of WACA and the complete redevelopment of Subiaco N/S with continual seasonal leases. Subiaco Oval is on the train line and close to entertainment. The WACA is more suitable for residential development.
 
If the government don't do something with the WACA then it surely has no future.
But the way I read it the entertainment precinct is going to be where the new stadium, WACA, the trots and Casino are.
I have no doubt at all the WACA will be saved and redeveloped, it might not be for a few years or until they realise playing cricket in a third full stadium on a drop in lifeless pitch that it happens.
I hope long term all cricket is at the WACA.
 
Bomberboyokay said:
lol, no shit. All international matches and Big Bash are going to be at the new stadium.

No political party is ******* moronic enough to spend $200,000,000 on a Sheffield Shield/WAFL ground. There is never going to be 15,000 people there.
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$25 mil only for the Junction Oval from the Vic Govt.

Plans have been unveiled for the redevelopment of at St Kilda’s landmark Junction Oval in Melbourne’s Albert Park, presenting a second International Cricket Council-compliant first class ground for Melbourne, and ensuring cricket and AFL no longer clash at the MCG at the beginning of the AFL season.
The Victorian Government is to contribute $25 million contribution to the development that will become the new site of Cricket Victoria's administration and training facilities, a venue for the Victorian Bushrangers, include women’s facilities for Victorian Spirit, and state-of-the-art medical and rehabilitation areas. The MCG has been Victoria's only first-class venue for the past few seasons but, when complete, but the purpose-built, cricket-only venue, to be known as the Victorian Cricket and Community Centre, will become a year-round training, match and development site for cricket in Victoria. Cricket Victoria Chief Executive Tony Dodemaide, said that while domestic matches would be shared between the MCG and the Junction Oval in future, the ground would also be up to international standard. Dodemaide stated “it certainly has the capacity for international tournaments that come to Australia in future, perhaps in ICC T20 competition, which requires a suite of facilities.
"Not all games need ... a large stadium of 100,000 capacity like the MCG. This will provide a boutique facility that complements tournaments like that."
Cox Architecture has been appointed to lead the project, with works to commence by the end of the year.
The project is also being funded in partnership with Cricket Victoria and Cricket Australia. -

See more at: http://www.ausleisure.com.au/news/d...ion-oval-at-albert-park/#sthash.QfoCotdF.dpuf
 

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Bomberboyokay said:
lol, no shit. All international matches and Big Bash are going to be at the new stadium.

No political party is ******* moronic enough to spend $200,000,000 on a Sheffield Shield/WAFL ground. There is never going to be 15,000 people there.
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Only Ashes tests and maybe tests against India will be at new stadium, international one day games struggle to draw a crowd anymore so pending opponent then they will stay at the WACA as well.
Big bash will go to new stadium.

New stadium
Tests against England and possibly India.
One day games against those two nations and possibly South Africa.
BBL

Staying at the WACA
Tests against all other nations
One day games as well
Sheffield shield
Matador Cup
WAFL possibly.

If this is the case and this is what they have said then the WACA will need to have significant funding.
 
greatwhiteshark said:
Only Ashes tests and maybe tests against India will be at new stadium, international one day games struggle to draw a crowd anymore so pending opponent then they will stay at the WACA as well.
Big bash will go to new stadium.

New stadium
Tests against England and possibly India.
One day games against those two nations and possibly South Africa.
BBL

Staying at the WACA
Tests against all other nations
One day games as well
Sheffield shield
Matador Cup
WAFL possibly.

If this is the case and this is what they have said then the WACA will need to have significant funding.
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Every ODI and T20 against anybody, and every Test match against England, India and South Africa at the new stadium is what I think the 'official' line was 12-18 months ago. But that's obviously a holding pattern statement to stop some WACA members melting down in the interim. It's obvious CA (yes, CA decide where Australia plays) is going to shift it all there.
 
Bomberboyokay said:
Every ODI and T20 against anybody, and every Test match against England, India and South Africa at the new stadium is what I think the 'official' line was 12-18 months ago. But that's obviously a holding pattern statement to stop some WACA members melting down in the interim. It's obvious CA (yes, CA decide where Australia plays) is going to shift it all there.
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Tourism WA will grease CAs palm when/where it deems it appropriate, aka games that pull visitors.
 
The way things are going now test matches against Bangladesh and Zimbabwe should be close and hard-fought series - should attract a bumper crowd at the new stadium.
 

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