Wallace discounts Crows?

[mymansyd]

It's hard to believe what you read at the moment, but this was in the The Age this morning....

"Wallace was interviewed by caretaker Hawk chief executive Jason Dunstall this week but has not yet met the Richmond group, now with former premiership wingman Byran Wood on the coaching sub-committee. Wallace will watch the Tigers' clash with Collingwood tomorrow, then return to the MCG on Sunday to watch Hawthorn take on Melbourne.

While Wallace appears to have largely discounted Adelaide from his calculations, he remains no certainty to coach next season given the relative instability at both clubs."

Full article...

http://realfooty.theage.com.au/realfooty/articles/2004/07/29/1091080378651.html

 

[jmorg1]

Caroline Wilson article, nuff said.

 

[Scott_1971]

What Caro writes about on-field stuff is patchy (and anyone that seriously tipped Essendon to win the flag this year, as she did at the start of the season must be a bit dopey), but her off-field journalism is pretty good... I'm worried to read this. Why would Wallace discount Adelaide?

 

[jmorg1]

Wallace hasn't discounted Adelaide. He 'appears to have' discounted Adelaide. Slight difference.

 

[Ausgard]

Surely the main reason you would say that he would discount Adelaide would be that it would involve a move interstate (which last season he said he would be unlikely to do because of family reasons)

It might be a different story if Adelaide was the only job going but With 2 other jobs on the market (Richmond - Big Supporter base, decent list that was coached pathetically, Hawthorn - Injury riddled, not playing with any heart and the team he used to play for) he would probably have a preference, even a media perceived preference, for a melbourne club.

(though to be honest he was almost hand picked for the Sydney job before Roos Gazumped him)

Its a bit like being surprised that Craig's name hasn't been mentioned at all for the Melbourne coaching changes and as Far as I know, no one has every asked him if he was even enterested. (Everyone just assumes he would stay in SA I guess)

 

[relapse]

Adelaide needs to make an offer to Wallace he cant refuse, if we lose tonight then the afc cant afford to put off making a decision on coach, it will be clear that they have given Craig enough of an opportunity to know he isnt the man for the job.

Wallace is the man, and there recently has a huge increase in the support of Wallace with the Adelaide supporters, he is the right man for that job and it is time for Adelaide to throw some money around show Wallace that we have much more on offer than what he would have coaching Hawthorn or Richmond.

My honest opinion says Hawthorn though

 

[relapse]

Originally posted by Ausgard
Its a bit like being surprised that Craig's name hasn't been mentioned at all for the Melbourne coaching changes and as Far as I know, no one has every asked him if he was even enterested. (Everyone just assumes he would stay in SA I guess)

Why would anyone be interested in the services of Neil Craig as senior coach ??????

Maybe if they were looking for a half-assed SANFL coach then he would be on top of the list.

But Richmond and Hawthorn are both looking for a quality coach

 

[Fergus]

In my opinion, it's the last part of that article that highlights why Neil Craig is a risk for our senior coaching role. To quote Craig from the article "All I know is Gary Ayres, from my perspective, gave me every opportunity to work with the midfield and do pretty much what I wanted to do."

Statistically our midfield has steadily declined in its efficiency and effectiveness, a point highlighted by Rucci last week. If Neil Craig has had control of this area then I think he needs to be held accountable for the results.

 

[mymansyd]

Originally posted by relapse
Adelaide needs to make an offer to Wallace he cant refuse, if we lose tonight then the afc cant afford to put off making a decision on coach, it will be clear that they have given Craig enough of an opportunity to know he isnt the man for the job.(

Win, lose or draw tonight...doesn't matter. We should be throwing the kitchen sink and the bar fridge at Wallace this very minute. He's the best candidate...make it impossible for him to say no.

If we can't get Wallace, get Eade or O'Donnell...I don't care (well maybe not Mark Harvey)...as long as it's not some SANFL hack (eg. Craig).

 

[macca23]

Originally posted by relapse
Adelaide needs to make an offer to Wallace he cant refuse, if we lose tonight then the afc cant afford to put off making a decision on coach, it will be clear that they have given Craig enough of an opportunity to know he isnt the man for the job.

Wallace is the man, and there recently has a huge increase in the support of Wallace with the Adelaide supporters, he is the right man for that job and it is time for Adelaide to throw some money around show Wallace that we have much more on offer than what he would have coaching Hawthorn or Richmond.

My honest opinion says Hawthorn though

Totally agree.

Forget tonight - irrelevant. Just send Triggy across to Melbourne with a handsome contract for Wallace to sign - NOW.

This bullsh*t with the Craig audition has got to stop before there are no viable candidates left.

Wallace, Eade, O'Donnell will all be gone unless we move NOW.

We want a REAL coach, not the leftovers.

 

[Cap]

Originally posted by macca23
Totally agree.

Forget tonight - irrelevant. Just send Triggy across to Melbourne with a handsome contract for Wallace to sign - NOW.

This bullsh*t with the Craig audition has got to stop before there are no viable candidates left.

Wallace, Eade, O'Donnell will all be gone unless we move NOW.

We want a REAL coach, not the leftovers.

what exactly is a real coach ???
wouldnt the fact that he is coaching make him a real coach its not like he's faking it.

I think you guys put way to much on wallace and eade seroiusly if they go elsewhere then they go elsewhere thats probably what they were going to do anyway, we need a person who is passionate about football and the Crows if thats craig well i'll still rock up next year

 

[relapse]

Originally posted by Grolm37
what exactly is a real coach ???
wouldnt the fact that he is coaching make him a real coach its not like he's faking it.

I think you guys put way to much on wallace and eade seroiusly if they go elsewhere then they go elsewhere thats probably what they were going to do anyway, we need a person who is passionate about football and the Crows if thats craig well i'll still rock up next year

I am passionate about the crows and football, doesnt mean I have the ability to coach.

 

[Cap]

Originally posted by relapse
I am passionate about the crows and football, doesnt mean I have the ability to coach.

yeah not joke obvoiusly i meant a candidate for the coaching role the crows arent exactly going to interview 45,000 members are they

my point is eade and wallace arent the be all and end all of coaching for the crows - and you cannot judge craig on this year becasue its not his game plan that he has been lumbered with and its not like he has the first choice player

 

[mr snip]

Originally posted by Grolm37

"my point is eade and wallace arent the be all and end all of coaching for the crows - and you cannot judge craig on this year becasue its not his game plan that he has been lumbered with and its not like he has the first choice player" [/B]

So are argument is that CRaig will be coach As long as we have no injuries for the year. Well lets hope that happens then, no injuries that is. It's about working with what you have and getting them to perform to the best of there ability. this is not what happened last week, and maybe is aguide to the future.

 

[Baldrick]

Originally posted by Grolm37

my point is eade and wallace arent the be all and end all of coaching for the crows - and you cannot judge craig on this year becasue its not his game plan that he has been lumbered with and its not like he has the first choice player

Footy is a business with the members (shareholders) expecting a certain rate of return.

If I had a few hundred grand to invest with a financial planner I would be choosing one with a proven record and not one who looks a likely sort. If I did give the money to the newbie and he started losing it hand over fist I certainly would be giving him more money and a 2 year contract.

I don't understand why people would be willing to take a risk when there is proven talent in the market.

 

[napsyd]

Originally posted by Grolm37
yeah not joke obvoiusly i meant a candidate for the coaching role the crows arent exactly going to interview 45,000 members are they

my point is eade and wallace arent the be all and end all of coaching for the crows - and you cannot judge craig on this year becasue its not his game plan that he has been lumbered with and its not like he has the first choice player

Disagree, the gameplan has been tweaked a fair bit over the last four weeks and I think we can safely say that the direction that Craig is taking it is unlikely to be AFL competitive unless your 22 is vastly superior to the 22 you are up against. This is highly unlikely to be the case in the immediate future. Further to this, dyertribe's (I think?) description of Craig looking like a rabbit in the headlights last week was extremely apt. Whilst I agree that nothing would have stopped Brisbane, Craig seemed to neglect the fact that it was his job to try something. Anything. We have often commented on this board that surely Gary wasn't listening to his assistants, surely someone could have thought of A,B,C. Well, I'd say we fair and square got our answer last Saturday. Bring on the big broom!

It seems obvious to me that Craig is not the man for the job. Having said that I don't agree with madly clutching at Wallace either. To my mind there are positive points to Wallace, Eade and O'Donnell, and I would not discount Harvey either. We must calmly go through the process and select the best man for the job, no kneejerk reactions! As others have stated, if Wallace signs up with the Hawks or Tigers shortly, he probably never gave Adelaide any fair dinkum consideration anyway.

Mind you if we want to be where St Kilda are now by 2010, the best way would probably be to sign Craig on a five year contract.

 

[ant]

The only reason he appears to have discounted Adelaide, IMO, is that he doesn't realistically think he has a shot at the job, with Craig a near certainty to be appointed beyond these 9 games.

Everything Wallace has said previously has indicated that the Crows would probably be his ideal position, considering the list, the facilities, the off-field stability, et al.

If we want Wallace bad enough, we can get him, but our contentment with Craig should mean we'll miss out.

 

[mymansyd]

Originally posted by ant
The only reason he appears to have discounted Adelaide, IMO, is that he doesn't realistically think he has a shot at the job, with Craig a near certainty to be appointed beyond these 9 games.

Everything Wallace has said previously has indicated that the Crows would probably be his ideal position, considering the list, the facilities, the off-field stability, et al.

If we want Wallace bad enough, we can get him, but our contentment with Craig should mean we'll miss out.

Bullseye! Took the words right out of my mouth.

 

[relapse]

Time to fire off an email to 5AA, I have got one written. Listen in for an email from Todd about 4pm today.

 

[naughty monkey]

Originally posted by relapse
Adelaide needs to make an offer to Wallace he cant refuse, if we lose tonight then the afc cant afford to put off making a decision on coach, it will be clear that they have given Craig enough of an opportunity to know he isnt the man for the job.

Wallace is the man, and there recently has a huge increase in the support of Wallace with the Adelaide supporters, he is the right man for that job and it is time for Adelaide to throw some money around show Wallace that we have much more on offer than what he would have coaching Hawthorn or Richmond.

My honest opinion says Hawthorn though

AFC don't need to make Wallace an offer he can't refuse, this smacks of Saints and the messiah.

What they need to do post haste is talk to the man and show him they are strongly intersted in acquiring his services for next season. If, after that he isn't interested then it's time to move on.

 

[macca23]

Originally posted by naughty monkey
AFC don't need to make Wallace an offer he can't refuse, this smacks of Saints and the messiah.

What they need to do post haste is talk to the man and show him they are strongly intersted in acquiring his services for next season. If, after that he isn't interested then it's time to move on.

Yes, that's a fair summary of it. But unless we go and talk seriously to Wallace he will not take us seriously and will discount us as an option.

Contrary to what is written in the Age, Wallace is not a lay down misere for the Hawthorn coaching job, according to a man who really should know as he's on their selection panel. Yes, he's one of the 3 main candidates, but he's not over the line.

As you say, we should have a real dash, at him, and at least then we'd know if he is our man or if he's not interested then we can move on elsewhere.

 

[Blue Red and Gold]

I am content with whatever decision the AFC make in regards to the coach for season 2005 and beyond.
However I will only happily approve of the decision if they have made a decent effort to interview every possible candidate as per the wishes of most if not all of the members. If they do this and come back that they honestly believe that Craig is the way to go I will go along with that.
However if they go at is half a***d knowing that whatever happens they will always have Craig to fall back on, I will be extremely dissapointed!

 

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by napsyd
It seems obvious to me that Craig is not the man for the job. Having said that I don't agree with madly clutching at Wallace either. To my mind there are positive points to Wallace, Eade and O'Donnell, and I would not discount Harvey either. We must calmly go through the process and select the best man for the job, no kneejerk reactions! As others have stated, if Wallace signs up with the Hawks or Tigers shortly, he probably never gave Adelaide any fair dinkum consideration anyway.

Mind you if we want to be where St Kilda are now by 2010, the best way would probably be to sign Craig on a five year contract.

I agree 110%.

All this talk that we must sign Wallace NOW is a load of absolute CRAP. We have to make sure that we make this decision based on thorough process and assesment of applicants this jumping into water head first is very unprofessional and unacceptable IMHO.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by naughty monkey
AFC don't need to make Wallace an offer he can't refuse, this smacks of Saints and the messiah.

What they need to do post haste is talk to the man and show him they are strongly intersted in acquiring his services for next season. If, after that he isn't interested then it's time to move on.

Spot on.

 

[Crow-mosone]

Originally posted by relapse
Why would anyone be interested in the services of Neil Craig as senior coach ??????

inlcuding us?