Play Nice Was that Gaffs last game for WC?

[SBYM]

That golf story...

Wut?

 

[Wally Walpamur]

Surely Nisbett can't be called in as a character reference tonight after his lie in his press conference yesterday?

I can't really see any grounds to challenge the intentional charge by the AFL's definition. It was his intention to throw a swinging arm. If they are using precedent, this was graded higher than Bugg's charge as he was charged with high impact whereas Gaff is being charged with severe, so looking at at least 6 weeks IMO.

 

[Mcarcherey]

Are you saying the strike was careless, high impact and severe?

i'm not commenting in terms of the MRP grading, i'm just saying the intention to hit someone in the face vs the chest is significantly different.

 

[PP34]

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/fr...e/news-story/f19ad34e6efd5e2b236d712c8ea8e76a


FREMANTLE coach Ross Lyon has defended Ryan Nyhuis, saying his player’s “split-second decision” to sling tackle Robbie Gray was not “intentional”.

Gray was knocked out cold and required a stretcher to be taken from the ground, after Nyhuis pinned his arms in a tackle in the second term of Port Adelaide’s shock nine-point loss.

While Power coach Ken Hinkley said Nyhuis’ action was “exactly what you’re not supposed to do”, Lyon suggested Gray’s concussion was an unfortunate accident.

Downplaying a tackle is far different to downplaying a punch.

A few years ago Nyhuis wouldn’t have even got a week.

 

[Coasters7]

Grubs.

Can't believe Brown is the voice of reason.

There’s a definite former player vs journalist thing going on all the time. The most reasonable ones in these situations are always the Campbell Browns, Luke Darcys, Wayne Carey etc because they know these other ****heads are making things up to suit the narrative. No idea how Brown gets through Talking Footy without smacking Sam’s head in.

 

[PurpleEyes]

intention to strike the face or not isn't moot at all, it would be a significant factor of the intention....

No.
The classification of intentional is simply whether Gaff intended to punch/strike Brayshaw.
It's not a case of whether Gaff intended to strike Brayshaw in the mouth, break his jaw and crack 4 teeth. The classification of conduct is simply careless or intentional and this was obviously an intentional effort by Gaff to hit Brayshaw. Where he hit him is not factored in to the classification of conduct. That factors in to the classification of contact ... which in this case is also clearly high.
This attempt by Eagles administration (media) and supporters to pretend that Gaff's strike was not intentional (in the eyes of the AFL MRP and tribunal system) is pathetic at the very least.

 

[DRK_13]

Did he or did he not say it. That was what I was asking. You can’t say he didn’t know it when he said it might be his last game. Please don’t defend his comment.

With all due respect, he does mention in his first sentence that the crowd didnt know the magnitude of what happened, as it happened so fast, in real time and was never shown on the big screen.

Im just defending the notion that everyone on the ground cheered Gaff and his act, which is not true... but seems to be a very common misconception on this board.

The main fact is that Eagles fans have Andrew Brayshaw’s health and wellfare as Number 1 priority. Nothing else matters. Young kid in hospital, and Gaff will cop whatever the tribunal deems is necessary. (Not going to debate about intent here as we will be here all day.)

 

[theGav56]

disagree. Theres a reason why the law has manslaughter charge and a murder charge. One carries a lesser penalty.

Gaff tried to strike Brayshaw below the shoulders, but instead struck him in the jaw. Barry Hall deliberately struck Staker in the face and got 7 weeks. If thats the precedent, then Gaff should have a lesser sentence because you can clearly see his fist is lower than his shoulder and was trying to get Brayshaw in the chest/arm/solar plexus. Brayshaw lowered his body simultaneously and got struck on the chin.

Yeah yeah. And Gaff intended to play golf with him on the weekend, but instead had never met him .

 

[Scotland]

Classic Campbell Brown.

He's spot on, but he was never going to fall on the Helen Lovejoy side of things.

 

[SBYM]

Grubs.

Can't believe Brown is the voice of reason.

FMD...

This whole affair is one huge case of who can make themselves look like the biggest deadshit.

Quite a few strong contenders.

 

[Macca81]

Yeah yeah. And Gaff intended to play golf with him on the weekend, but instead had never met him .

lol, why bother quoting someone if you are not even replying directly to what was written. Youre just another one out with the pitchforks. Jog on nuffy.

 

[JackOutback]

Freo supporters need to get off their ******* high horse.

What exactly is so shocking about a home crowd showing support for one of their best players who otherwise would have been in a pretty lonely place?

What he did was bad, but you can't go around shouting that a man's character doesn't count for anything. Things in the real world are more nuanced than 'good/evil'. Gaff is not evil, he made a mistake and the Eagles supporters and most definitely his coach and teammates have every right to provide support to him.

The tribalism on both sides is out of control, people suggesting you can judge someone's character by the football team they support. It's absurd. Unless they know Brayshaw or Gaff, a lot of people need to take a step back and consider how seriously they take their football.

 

[Sir_Loin]

i'm not commenting in terms of the MRP grading, i'm just saying the intention to hit someone in the face vs the chest is significantly different.

Then its irrelevant

 

[kranky al]

Downplaying a tackle is far different to downplaying a punch.

A few years ago Nyhuis wouldn’t have even got a week.

The point being that coaches defend their players.

Its not their job to prosecute them.

Sling tackles can cause as much damage as punches - neither are acceptable.

 

[Sir_Loin]

Eagles can argue Gaffs intent was to strike Brayshaw, yes. But the intention was to hit him below the shoulders, not in the jaw.

Wont change anything

 

[theGav56]

lol, why bother quoting someone if you are not even replying directly to what was written. Youre just another one out with the pitchforks. Jog on nuffy.

I'm replying to your statement about what Gaff was trying to do. You and I have no idea what that was. I assume it was punch his opponent.

 

[theGav56]

The point being that coaches defend their players.

Its not their job to prosecute them.

Sling tackles can cause as much damage as punches - neither are acceptable.

Sure. But tackling is a legitimate and complex part of the game. Sling tackle someone behind play is the closer analogy .

 

[Randomizor]

So when is the hearing?

 

[Barrysballs]

Angus Brayshaw:

"He squared up to him as far as i can see, He's lookimg at him then just collects, absolutely ruined Andrew's mouth with his fist. He's an 18 yr old kid and there is no way Andrew would have done anything to warrant it."

Looks like Brayshaws aren't as happy as Nisbet would have us believe

 

[Tex9798]

Maybe its because he made such an issue of the 100mtres of the ball remark by Ross.
And its not a minor detail. Nisbett was trying to push that the hit was not intentional because Brayshaw was a good friend and you wouldnt hit a good mate. Nisbett has always been a slimy spin merchant.

He wasnt trying to spin that at all, christ some poeple here are impossible to reason with.

Why is it not OK for Nisbett or whatever his name is to be wrong about a golf game, I highly doubt he had first hand knowledge of that - why would someone of his level know details like that? Its more likely that he was misinformed by his team there.

That doesn't mean he came out to intentionally tell some porkie pies and spin some crap story to make everyone ease up.

Yet at the same time, everyone is seemingly OK with Freo trotting out the "he's only 18" line, the "100m off the ball" crap.

The idea that you think that the CEO of a football club came out and intentionally told a lie about the most mundane detail of this whole thing is ridiculous.

I have not seen a single person here there or anywhere say "Oh its ok that he hit him, they're mates", it is literally relevant to nothing.

 

[Peel67skin]

Golf Is a lied .

 

[Belnakor]

So when is the hearing?

5pm aest

 

[Sir_Loin]

There’s a definite former player vs journalist thing going on all the time. The most reasonable ones in these situations are always the Campbell Browns, Luke Darcys, Wayne Carey etc because they know these other ****heads are making things up to suit the narrative. No idea how Brown gets through Talking Footy without smacking Sam’s head in.

Interesting turn of phrase considering the thread...

 

[gym4life]

Do you think Pav would have made that comment without checking the facts first with Brayshaw? He probably told his team mates it's bullshit and word eventually got to Pav. Nisbet has no credibility considering he's already backed away from his previous statement on thug hits and complained about inflammatory comments while making inflammatory comments.

I think incorrect rumours being passed around and getting to Pavlich is a possibility and his opinion shouldn’t be repeated as fact.

 

[Randomizor]

Interesting turn of phrase considering the thread...

Well you’ve seen the role models Eagles supporters have...