Play Nice Was that Gaffs last game for WC?

[Belnakor]

e's fortunate that is cheap, off the ball blind-side punch didn't bust out teeth and put Mills on a four-week liquid diet.

Its the punch you don't see that does the most damage. Mills did see it coming. Bugg punched him front on and Mills got clocked but he was able to tense. Brayshaw was looking to run away and wasn't expecting it.

 

[Scotland]

this seems correct, as far as the tribunal classifications are concerned, it will certainly be intentional.

gaff will argue that in front of the tribunal, but its impossible to see how it could possible end up as a lower grading.

however morally speaking it changes things quite considerably. if it was a mistake to hit him in the face (and theres little to suggest it wasnt), then comparisons to hall-staker are a long way off.

cameron went for 5 weeks for an intentional, high contact and severe hit that left harris andrews in medical trouble.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-06-26/cameron-cops-fivegame-ban-for-intentional-hit

i dont see why it would be much different to that

Comparisons to Hall/Staker have been off from the outset, but the wave of hysteria has well and truly washed over the whole thing.

People (with no medical training whatsoever) have already declared that a broken jaw is worse than a serious concussion, and there have been calls for 10-12+ week bans, criminal charges etc.

The problem the AFL have is that the bar they have set with Bugg/Cameron would potentially have Gaff playing again this year and they don't want that negative PR. To rule that out (ignoring any GF replay) they need to suspend him for 7 games and by that point if it's 8, 9, 10 who cares - players will end up getting suspended in the finals and missing the start of next year. The AFL can win points with the community for making a stand against on-field violence and simultaneously remove the nagging potential of Gaff being back in September when the tribunal will be focused on keeping Trent Cotchin playing.

If this was round 5 or 10 a comparable 5/6 week ban to Gaff would be much more tolerable to the masses than today. People would buy however the tribunal sold it and by the time finals rolled around would be onto the next thing to be outraged over.

 

[Peel67skin]

If the whole 'good character and clean previous record' is deemed irrelevant by people, then i think people need to stop trying to bring up the '18 year old rookie' thing as that seems pretty irrelevant too. I mean, if Gaff had struck David Mundy i don't think it makes any difference to the situation, at the end of the day he struck a player.

The problem now is that your CEO did not check information and talk about Golf in press conference . Is hard to talk about characters when you lied or not checking information before telling story to the public .

 

[Carl Spackler]

Its the punch you don't see that does the most damage. Mills did see it coming. Bugg punched him front on and Mills got clocked but he was able to tense. Brayshaw was looking to run away and wasn't expecting it.

Possibly. From the video they both look pretty similar to me in terms of "disguised attack". Regardless, Bugg is obviously much luckier than Gaff at the outcome of the punch.

 

[kranky al]

Hope that’s all that happens. I also hope the AFL dont **** this up and it ends up being appealed as “manifestly inadequate”. He just needs to rock up, cop his licks and move on. System has to do its job now and let everyone move on. Big test for the AFL.

Heres the thing.

You me and anyone else with 1/2 a brain can see it.

Ergo the afl will find a way of ****ing it up.

 

[salim malik]

Angus has been interviewed now so you can tack on another week or two.

I guess Tomas Bugg is lucky that Callum Mills doesn't have a brother playing at AFL level.

Comfortably the biggest case of trial by media I've seen. If some lowlife journo doorstops Mrs Brayshaw Gaff will get 10 years.

Did you have the same trial by media indignation when Ross Lyon was hounded for weeks,Yarran hounded to death . Johnson and Bennell also hounded non stop for weeks. Nyhuis the most dangerous tackle in the history of the game. Hurts when the media shoe is on the other foot doesnt it.

 

[Peel67skin]

Possibly. From the video they both look pretty similar to me in terms of "disguised attack". Regardless, Bugg is obviously much luckier than Gaff at the outcome of the punch.

Suspension will keep on increasing if players keep doing it until it stop or they get a life ban in playing AFL footy .

 

[Scotland]

Did you have the same trial by media indignation when Ross Lyon was hounded for weeks,Yarran hounded to death . Johnson and Bennell also hounded non stop for weeks. Nyhuis the most dangerous tackle in the history of the game. Hurts when the media shoe is on the other foot doesnt it.

The feck are you on about?

Three weeks for Nyhuis was a joke. AFAIK Ross Lyon wasn't reported by the MRO.

 

[eaglesnutcase]

Its the punch you don't see that does the most damage. Mills did see it coming. Bugg punched him front on and Mills got clocked but he was able to tense. Brayshaw was looking to run away and wasn't expecting it.

Tense?

 

[beema limapep]

i reckon 8-9 is about right. 6 is too few and there will be outrage. 7 he'd be lucky imho. 10+ seems a little heavy handed but meh i could care less right now.

 

[Scotland]

Suspension will keep on increasing if players keep doing it until it stop or they get a life ban in playing AFL footy .

Except that suspensions aren't actually increasing and the AFL keeps giving tacit approval to punching by not suspending players who do it!

I have no doubt we'll see another chest punch that slips high before too long.

 

[Here2tellyouwhy]

Live footage of Gaff arriving to tonights Tribunal hearing

 

[Peel67skin]

Except that suspensions aren't actually increasing and the AFL keeps giving tacit approval to punching by not suspending players who do it!

I have no doubt we'll see another chest punch that slips high before too long.

Well other sport Cantona get 8 month for kicking audience . Regardless of whether his kicking to chest or other area . I don't think he got any record doing it before that. Suspension not going to make people happy but you still need to imposed it.

 

[Goondock saint]

Live footage of Gaff arriving to tonights Tribunal hearing

Clearly aiming at their chests!

 

[beema limapep]

Clearly aiming at their chests!

Clearly 90% the media's fault too.

 

[salim malik]

The feck are you on about?

Three weeks for Nyhuis was a joke. AFAIK Ross Lyon wasn't reported by the MRO.

I,m talking about you being a hypocrite, Apparently it was fine for Lyon to be pursued relentlessly by the media for weeks with out a shread of proof and Johnson was front page news for weeks for his minor indiscretion but Gaff who punched the shit out of an unsuspecting victim causing serious injury should be given a clear run by the media. Give us all a break,Gaff is big news and he deserves all the coverage he is getting.

 

[Carl Spackler]

i reckon 8-9 is about right. 6 is too few and there will be outrage. 7 he'd be lucky imho. 10+ seems a little heavy handed but meh i could care less right now.

I don't have an opinion on what he deserves, but I'm quite interested what is handed out. The damage from the punch is so (apparently) gruesome that it's beyond anything the AFL has dealt with since the league went nation-wide.

I wouldn't be surprised if he gets a 12-month suspension. We haven't heard any details as to the injury, but the Melbourne Brayshaw saying the family are not sure about the long-term consequences of the damage makes me think that the docs aren't quite sure how Freo Brayshaw will heal yet either. If it's particularly significant (like still the chance of losing teeth and the jaw broken in multiple places with perhaps a plate inserted) then I think the penalty will be possibly be very severe.

It all comes down to the extent of the injuries, I think. And even with injuries that are known and likely to heal by the start of next season then I think Gaff will get 10-12 weeks as it's still the worst injuries from an punch that we've seen in a long, long time.

 

[Scotland]

Well other sport Cantona get 8 month for kicking audience . Regardless of whether his kicking to chest or other area . I don't think he got any record doing it before that. Suspension not going to make people happy but you still need to imposed it.

Not sure the segue was there but OK. If an AFL player fly kicks a member of the crowd I think an 8 month suspension is probably fair enough...

Ron Artest/Metta World Peace got a year for his involvement in the Pacers/Pistons brawl. No player or coach got more than 6 weeks from the Oz/Philippines brawl.

 

[zero]

The problem the AFL have is that the bar they have set with Bugg/Cameron would potentially have Gaff playing again this year and they don't want that negative PR.

does the tribunal have public relations of the game as part of its adjudicative scope? i highly doubt it.

on the other hand, that it was accidentally high, the fact that gaff is clean and he is obviously remorseful will be talked about a great deal.

 

[Scotland]

I,m talking about you being a hypocrite, Apparently it was fine for Lyon to be pursued relentlessly by the media for weeks with out a shread of proof and Johnson was front page news for weeks for his minor indiscretion but Gaff who punched the shit out of an unsuspecting victim causing serious injury should be given a clear run by the media. Give us all a break,Gaff is big news and he deserves all the coverage he is getting.

Yeah I'm not really interested in your sex pest coach or coke fiend defender.

The media hound people all the time. Plenty of dickhead Eagles have been in the paper over the years.

Certain individuals are actively trying to influence the tribunal. Not the same thing.

 

[Firestarter]

i reckon 8-9 is about right. 6 is too few and there will be outrage. 7 he'd be lucky imho. 10+ seems a little heavy handed but meh i could care less right now.

This is fhe latest post about sentence length so don't mind.

Reckon the offence, which includes the extent of the result to Brayshaw, justifies at least 6-7. But I reckon the clean record thing will weasel itself in and drop the number.

 

[Carl Spackler]

Is it possible for the MRP to temporarily suspend Gaff while they wait for more information? Say the injuries are severe but the docs are not yet able to determine the likely long-term impacts, can the MRP decide that Gaff is going to be suspended anyway and give him maybe 3 weeks and then hold another hearing when the medical assessment advances a little? Then they can decide that the 3 weeks is enough because it all worked out or add on more time as appropriate.

 

[Peel67skin]

Not sure the segue was there but OK. If an AFL player fly kicks a member of the crowd I think an 8 month suspension is probably fair enough...

Ron Artest/Metta World Peace got a year for his involvement in the Pacers/Pistons brawl. No player or coach got more than 6 weeks from the Oz/Philippines brawl.

You answer my questions , you need to imposed suspension on consequences , bringing Hall and Bugg in not going help . GAff is not professional boxer who can swing an arm accurately at chest or any part of opposition body .That is more dangerous than a trained boxer because he might miss the lot and kill people unknowingly.

 

[FrustratedTiger]

Angus Brayshaw has just called BS on the golf story on the AFL Exchange podcast. He's filthy at what happened and it's fair to say the Brayshaw family won't be giving character references tonight.

 

[Scotland]

does the tribunal have public relations of the game as part of its adjudicative scope? i highly doubt it.

on the other hand, that it was accidentally high, the fact that gaff is clean and he is obviously remorseful will be talked about a great deal.

The tribunal is an arm of the AFL. Gaff isn't being assessed by some risk matrix, it's a judgement call by those that make up the tribunal.

If Gil and co have a number in mind we'll get there one way or the other.