We have a good list,

[salim malik]

If the game was played like it was five years ago.I know its been stated ad nauseam but sheer leg speed is our only problem and it stands out like the proverbial.Peake is acknowledged as our quickest player and if you line him up against the games real speedsters you can see the trouble we are in.Our skills are down because we are leg speed slow and havent got the time to get on our own and when we do we rush everything knowing we will get run down .The defence has no hope because we havent got the pace to pressure the ball carrier coming in so their disposal looks so much cleaner with the time and space they are given.Unfortunately our recruiters have never been innovators, always followers and when the game changes direction we always seem to be one step behind .We will recruit speed now but lets hope some innovating coach doesnt change direction and we get left one step behind again

 

[Avid_Avenger]

Geelong don't have the quickest side going around either, they have Wojinski (or however you spell his name) and the rest of the midfielders are averagely fast - they aren't out and out speedsters at any rate, and they thrashed one of the quickest sides going around at the moment in Essendon. With the addition of Palmer, Mayne and when Brock, Foster and Ibbo come back into the side, and Hinkley when he's ready, we'll be a lot faster than Geelong. Our problem is our senior players have always had sh*t skills and have always been pantsed at the clearances. Plus our senior players are just nowhere near as good.

We've got three A grade players - Pav, McPharlin, Farmer. Two are key position players, the others a small forward. We've got no one in the guts who would even come close with only Palmer showing the possibility and he's only played 3games.

Josh seems like he's on the wane - at any rate he has to have a blinder to have any real impact. M Carr is past it. Belly is still Belly but he's the only reliable senior mid we've got and he's never going to win a game off his own boot. Des is still up and down and always seems to have to go forward to break his tag. Crowley has been ok this year playing for the most part run-with roles. Peake is crap and needs to get chopped. Mundy is a princess with good skills but can't be relied on to win the ball when we're on the back foot. Hase is gone for the year (how we're missing him now!). Solly is great and will give his all but without support won't make much difference. Macca is past it. Ma Johnson is getting past it - won't spend much time on the ball if he comes back into the team.

We're going to get nowhere with a bunch like that.

Keep a few old mids each game. Josh, Solly, Belly, Crowley, Des and that's about it. Bring on Brock, Foster, Ibbo, Josh Head, Browne etc and we won't do any worse. In the long run we'll improve instead of dishing up the same old inconsistent efforts.

And then cull the crap and draft more genuine midfielders at the end of the year.

 

[Freo Big Fella]

The most worrying thing is the blokes that are around 50-100 games that are putting in repeatedly substandard efforts and getting away with it. Peake has been diabolically bad this year, Mundy's been innefectual, Magic Johnson and Crowley have been average. Dodd's had three reasonable games but was terrible this week. Murphy's career is at the crossroads, Sandilands still suffers from the same problems he's always suffered from.

These are the blokes that (in 05-06) we were expecting to come through and form the core group of players that would take over leadership from the Pavlich/Bell/Haselby/McPharlin efforts that we've been so heavily reliant on. How many of them look like doing that now?

There needs to be a massive cleanout at the end of the year.

 

[pistol17]

I always thought we had a good list but the reality at the moment is our list is no better than a Richmond or a Carlton, except those 2 sides have developed some youngsters while we continue to play the same old hacks.

Terry Wallace and Richmond were scrutinised for dropping Joel Bowden. Look what happens... A 64 point smashing of the dockers. Guys like Jake King, Foley, Moore, Thursfield, White, Tambling etc have all been given game time over the past couple of seasons.

The time has come for Drum, Ibbotson, Browne, Dunn (rookie elevation for Hasleby I hope), Chris Smith, Warnock, Hinkley and co to start getting game time. They are now the future of the club.

Ill tell you now if Warnock doesnt start getting game time he wont be at Fremantle next year. I mean why would he want to? No game time? At a club going no where.

Come trade week I would put Mundy and Crowley up for sale, see what we get offered. Only for picks tho, no rejects/recycled players. Could also look at off loading maybe Murphy and Gilmore.

Lets face it, something has to change for us to move forward. Something just isnt right with the list and it needs to change.

 

[Memories]

I always thought we had a good list but the reality at the moment is our list is no better than a Richmond or a Carlton, except those 2 sides have developed some youngsters while we continue to play the same old hacks.

Terry Wallace and Richmond were scrutinised for dropping Joel Bowden. Look what happens... A 64 point smashing of the dockers. Guys like Jake King, Foley, Moore, Thursfield, White, Tambling etc have all been given game time over the past couple of seasons.

The time has come for Drum, Ibbotson, Browne, Dunn (rookie elevation for Hasleby I hope), Chris Smith, Warnock, Hinkley and co to start getting game time. They are now the future of the club.

Ill tell you now if Warnock doesnt start getting game time he wont be at Fremantle next year. I mean why would he want to? No game time? At a club going no where.

Come trade week I would put Mundy and Crowley up for sale, see what we get offered. Only for picks tho, no rejects/recycled players. Could also look at off loading maybe Murphy and Gilmore.

Lets face it, something has to change for us to move forward. Something just isnt right with the list and it needs to change.

If we cut out all the dead wood we might still be a chance in 2-3 years with a team around Pav. Collingwood did it in 3 years after bottoming out. We will just have to get lucky with our picks. Cutting the dead wood might even mean some B class favourites who can't perform reliably might get cut, better to take that risk imo and just bring in a core of youngsters and cross our fingers.

 

[Belnakor]

Ill tell you now if Warnock doesnt start getting game time he wont be at Fremantle next year. I mean why would he want to? No game time? At a club going no where.

Warnock was terrible on the weekend. Can we carry him consistantly though? When Sandiland is under performing already?

Gilmore back in the ruck - at least then we have a greater than 25% chance of a clearance.

 

[Archimedes]

We have a rubbish list that is going no where fast. There is only half a dozen players at best in our list good enough to be in a premiership team. Over the next 2-3 years we need to cull at minimum 6-7 players per year regardless of name based purely on performance and recruit "hopefully" good young players.

 

[pistol17]

Warnock was terrible on the weekend. Can we carry him consistantly though? When Sandiland is under performing already?

Gilmore back in the ruck - at least then we have a greater than 25% chance of a clearance.

Whole side was terrible except for Bell, Mayne and Pavlich.

Hard to pick between Sandilands and Warnock. Maybe your right about Gilmore, he did lead the clearance towards the end of last year.

 

[Belnakor]

I would say those 3 were only "servicable" too. They had a crack, which is more than half the team.

 

[pistol17]

We have a rubbish list that is going no where fast. There is only half a dozen players at best in our list good enough to be in a premiership team. Over the next 2-3 years we need to cull at minimum 6-7 players per year regardless of name based purely on performance and recruit "hopefully" good young players.

6-7 guys for this year.

Andrew Browne - Delist
Mundy - Trade
Crowley - Trade
Murphy - Delist/Trade
McManus - Retire
Bell - Retire
Duffield - Delist/Trade

 

[EastcoastDocker]

If we cut out all the dead wood we might still be a chance in 2-3 years with a team around Pav.

his patient must be wearing pretty thin!

fortunately pav looks like the kinda player that can play into his 30s...

 

[Archimedes]

6-7 guys for this year.

Andrew Browne - Delist
Mundy - Trade
Crowley - Trade
Murphy - Delist/Trade
McManus - Retire
Bell - Retire
Duffield - Delist/Trade

Agree also think these players should be taken into consideration when reviewing the list at the end of the year:

Tarrant, Schammer, Webster, Peake, Ma Johnson, Bradley, Black and Headland

 

[Cisco Kid]

Agree also think these players should be taken into consideration when reviewing the list at the end of the year:

Tarrant, Schammer, Webster, Peake, Ma Johnson, Bradley, Black and Headland

The only club that may remotely be interested in any of those players is Melbourne because of Chris Con Nolley , the worst list management of players in the AFL by a long way.. Keep on getting new coaches and support staff but same recruiting managers and same list management issues ... there must be a troll or some one knows something know one else knows....

TIME FOR CHANGE IS NOW !!!!

 

[Memories]

his patient must be wearing pretty thin!

fortunately pav looks like the kinda player that can play into his 30s...

Agree, he could probably do a Richo and play to 33-34. Rarely gets injured and seems his body is just capable of it. Fingers crossed he stays and delivers a premiership for us.

 

[sumavich]

Great list, no Heart sadly !!!!!!!!!!!

 

[anti.]

i think fremantles list is overrated by the fans/media. the reason it isnt performing is:
A) not as much talent as people think
B) heartless

some serious changes needed. like the look of mayne and palmer though.

 

[Archimedes]

The only club that may remotely be interested in any of those players is Melbourne because of Chris Con Nolley , the worst list management of players in the AFL by a long way.. Keep on getting new coaches and support staff but same recruiting managers and same list management issues ... there must be a troll or some one knows something know one else knows....

TIME FOR CHANGE IS NOW !!!![/quote

I agree completely. But those players are not going to bring Fremantle any regular success. If we don't get any bites, then perhaps we should look at delisting. A clean out is definitely required.

 

[wehavethepassion]

The only club that may remotely be interested in any of those players is Melbourne because of Chris Con Nolley , the worst list management of players in the AFL by a long way.. Keep on getting new coaches and support staff but same recruiting managers and same list management issues ... there must be a troll or some one knows something know one else knows....

TIME FOR CHANGE IS NOW !!!!

Hang on give chris bond a chance he's the list manager and along with the new recruiting manager based in melb that (smart has to account to) a chance to clean it out.

 

[Avid_Avenger]

I think everyone just realised how average half the team are.

Our forward line is great - just needs more system that would come if our midfield was up to scratch...sadly its not, so we continue to misfire going forward.

Our backline is solid with some flair but we are missing a full back. McPharlin can't be in the forward line and at full back at the same time. Grover just isnt tall enough now that you can't put hands in the back, chop arms etc. We will consistently concede big scores until we recruit a full back and unfortunately if we are to get anywhere this year McPharlin has to STAY BACK.

And we will consistently get beaten until we develop a consistent midfield. You can have flash-in-the-pan forwards NOT midfielders.

Palmer - will be the star we've needed for so long given time.
Mayne - more of a forward.
Hinkley - the pacey mid we need. Should be preferred ahead of Peake.
Ibbo - Likewise. Showed against Hawks willing to chase and tackle and put his body on the line. Great skills.
Brock - The grunt and desperation we lack. Good skills.
Foster - Will run till he drops. Good skills.
Browne - may surprise given a chance. If not, get rid of him.
Duff - NOT a backman. When will they work this out???? needs to be given a chance on the ball. If no good, get rid of him.
Head - not a midfielder but should be given the chance to replace Black on the half back line, releasing Black to play on the wing/ball. Great skills.

If these guys get games, you will see improvement long term. We are going nowhere playing the same guys who consistently let the team down.

 

[Sman-21]

Dont believe its list its more to do with heart /effort.

Everyone says collingwood are a def top 4 side i agree but its not because of there list, there list isnt that good its because of the way they play/effort they put in to each game. I think our list is better than collingwoods.

I dont even think geelongs list is that exceptional its just each player puts in a huge effort an they work as a team an support each other.

Hawthorn i would say has the best list.

 

[Avid_Avenger]

Dont believe its list its more to do with heart /effort.

Everyone says collingwood are a def top 4 side i agree but its not because of there list, there list isnt that good its because of the way they play/effort they put in to each game. I think our list is better than collingwoods.

I dont even think geelongs list is that exceptional its just each player puts in a huge effort an they work as a team an support each other.

Hawthorn i would say has the best list.

It's true to a point but Geelong, Collingwood and Hawthorn have much more class and skill through the middle than we do, guys they can rely on to work hard consistently becoz its part of who they are, and plus they have much more room for improvement from their midfield group than we do.

The only way we can improve is to play the young guys and recruit more 'pure' mids in the draft

 

[Freo Blood]

I think everyone just realised how average half the team are.

Our forward line is great - just needs more system that would come if our midfield was up to scratch...sadly its not, so we continue to misfire going forward.

Forward line great, I think not, especially when Pav has to play mid. McPharlin is a backman (CHB) to swing fwd when needed.

Dockers
Pav, Farmer, ??

Coll
Rocca, Cloke, Didak or Davis, Medders

Haw
Buddy, Roughie, Williams, Stokes, Rioli, (plus Boyle as a spare)

Geel
Mooney, Stokes, Hawkins, Johnson, plus goal kicking mids

Syd
Hall, Micky O, Davis,

Saints
Not functioning but more talent... Gehrig, Riewoldt, Kosi, Milne,

Carl
Fev, Betts, Kreuzer (don't know how good)

Bris
Brown, Bradshaw, crumbers??

Ess
Lloyd, Lucas,

Rich
N Brown, Richo, Tambling/Delidio

Kangas
Thompson, Petrie??(playing back?),

Adel
Burton, Tippett,

Port
Westhoff, Tredrea, Motlop,

Bullies
Johnson, Welsh,

Melb
Nietz, Robbo, Davey

WCE
?? ........................................................ Lecras

I have only named those I can recall and rate as any good (prob forgot alot).

Honestly I think we are only better than 3 or 4 of those forward groups.

 

[Avid_Avenger]

I think everyone just realised how average half the team are.

Our forward line is great - just needs more system that would come if our midfield was up to scratch...sadly its not, so we continue to misfire going forward.

Forward line great, I think not, especially when Pav has to play mid. McPharlin is a backman (CHB) to swing fwd when needed.

Dockers
Pav, Farmer, ??

Coll
Rocca, Cloke, Didak or Davis, Medders

Haw
Buddy, Roughie, Williams, Stokes, Rioli, (plus Boyle as a spare)

Geel
Mooney, Stokes, Hawkins, Johnson, plus goal kicking mids

Syd
Hall, Micky O, Davis,

Saints
Not functioning but more talent... Gehrig, Riewoldt, Kosi, Milne,

Carl
Fev, Betts, Kreuzer (don't know how good)

Bris
Brown, Bradshaw, crumbers??

Ess
Lloyd, Lucas,

Rich
N Brown, Richo, Tambling/Delidio

Kangas
Thompson, Petrie??(playing back?),

Adel
Burton, Tippett,

Port
Westhoff, Tredrea, Motlop,

Bullies
Johnson, Welsh,

Melb
Nietz, Robbo, Davey

WCE
?? ........................................................ Lecras

I have only named those I can recall and rate as any good (prob forgot alot).

Honestly I think we are only better than 3 or 4 of those forward groups.

Ummm....

Our forward 6 as it would be if we didn't have to use our forwards in the midfield and had a FB.

Farmer Tarrant McPharlin/Solly/Resting Ruckman/form wafl player
Des Pavlich Mayne

That's a decent forward line.

Only behind Geelong, Hawks, Collingwood really. Brissie and the likes are on par or behind us on paper.

The reason our forward line looks so crap at the moment is because we aren't in control of the ball and don't have skilled midfielders so our structures are stuffed up.

If we improve the midfield and stop needing Pav, Wiz and Des to play through there, our forward line will be better off.

And we need a FB

 

[Docker Clint]

Murphy - Delist/Trade

He's only been given 10% of the chance Tarrant has to show something, seemed to be on the up when we recruited Taz.

 

[Freo Blood]

I may have been a little unkind... but it definately is not great

I completely forgot about Tazz, he wasn't left out deliberately but shows the impact he has been having lately.

I believe McPharlin is a defender and Headland is (or should be) a midfielder, wing even, not a permanent forward. Mayne is a 3rd rd draft pick who's played 3 games, the rest other than Pav and Farmer are bit players and the name is not important to the set up.
The oppo teams I have named what I believe genuine forwards who are a threat to kick goals, not including "defensive forwards" such as Solly.

We only have one key forward thats any good and one small forward. The rest are very average at the moment.

Bar the fact that it would mean giving up Pav who we all love, if you ask around the league I reckon 10 or more forward lines would be preferred to ours.