List Mgmt. 2026 - What do we need?

[mattis117]

If he kicked that goal in the final we win the game.... genuinely as responsible as they come from that failure. True colours rise to the top in finals. He faltered badly. Would love us to upgrade his position.

Which is admitting he is a good player that had a couple of bad moments.

 

[Stevooo3940]

If he kicked that goal in the final we win the game.... genuinely as responsible as they come from that failure. True colours rise to the top in finals. He faltered badly. Would love us to upgrade his position.

If we popped Freddie on the trade block, i can assure you he would have many clubs enquiring. Yeah, he missed a dribble kick early in a final but there were many other errors by other players that cost us that win. He kicked 30 goals for the year. Only 42 players in the whole comp hit the scoreboard more than him. Players that didn't kick as many goals, Ginnivan, Bolton, Bont, Hipwood, Stringer, Moore, Warner, Petracca, McCluggage, D. Jones... the list goes on. Yes, he isn't going to lay bone crunching tackles, but I bet you weren't calling for his head when he hit the scoreboard against the Hawks in a close win at home, or against GWS away to drive us to a win or against the doggies in the last game of H&A to make finals?
No player is perfect but Freddie, based on his position in the Doig is doing exactly what is asked of him. If you think he is scared to go when it's his turn, just go back and watch the video of him being destroyed against the saints in 2024. He aint scared man. He also plays tall and is one of the few Freo players that can kick a goal from outside the arc. He is a lock in our b23 and will be for many years to come. Less hate and more support pls.

 

[Superkoops]

Freddy had a good year. Yes he played badly in the final so did Amiss and a few others. It happens. Freddy played well in our 2022 Elimination final. Let’s not pigeonhole him on one bad game. Let’s hope that game drives him over pre-season to go up another level. He missed a goal so did many others.

Pat Voss had an absolute mare in round 2 last quarter against Sydney. He learnt from that and came back a better player. Goal kicking and improved decision making going i50.

Improvement from our team will come from within. Cooper Simpson, Isiah Dudley, Murphy Reid, Karl Worner, Jye Amiss, Nathan OD, Walker, Chapman, Erasmus, Johnson all need to improve and step up a level for us to go forward. Judd McVee adds to our b22. J Serong would have been a handy acquisition but let’s be honest he was added depth and competing with the likes of Worner, Walker, Chapman and Draper.

 

[swanny1234]

If we popped Freddie on the trade block, i can assure you he would have many clubs enquiring. Yeah, he missed a dribble kick early in a final but there were many other errors by other players that cost us that win. He kicked 30 goals for the year. Only 42 players in the whole comp hit the scoreboard more than him. Players that didn't kick as many goals, Ginnivan, Bolton, Bont, Hipwood, Stringer, Moore, Warner, Petracca, McCluggage, D. Jones... the list goes on. Yes, he isn't going to lay bone crunching tackles, but I bet you weren't calling for his head when he hit the scoreboard against the Hawks in a close win at home, or against GWS away to drive us to a win or against the doggies in the last game of H&A to make finals?
No player is perfect but Freddie, based on his position in the Doig is doing exactly what is asked of him. If you think he is scared to go when it's his turn, just go back and watch the video of him being destroyed against the saints in 2024. He aint scared man. He also plays tall and is one of the few Freo players that can kick a goal from outside the arc. He is a lock in our b23 and will be for many years to come. Less hate and more support pls.

I've actually consistenly called him out all year for not being good enough when it mattered - he's made a habit of becoming entirely irrelevant when games have mattered, and having a day out against weaker opponents, or opponents that are weak defensively. It's no coincidence he always bobs up for a few goals against Essendon or West Coast for example, whilst is un sighted whenever we play Geelong or Brisbane for example.

He's not a bad player, but the fact he has a bit of trade value is a reason why I'd look at it in all honesty, I would be desperately trying to improve that position, and he feels expendable. I do think pulls out of the contest, It was watching him live in that final that really made it clear to me he does - on too many occasions he simply did not go hard enough at the ball and someone else got there ahead of him, it's the sort of thing you see at the ground which you maybe miss on TV. It's more than just one moment, it was that entire way through the game - on too many occasions did me, my mate and a whole host of others around us make the same observation.

Clearly they see value on what he is doing - but every single one of those players you mentioned would be considered a significant upgrade on Frederick. Mate I'd bite your hand off for Darcy Jones in that position over Fred.

For me, from the side that played the Elim final - Worner, Banfield, JOM and Frederick all aren't good enough to be B23 and I'd like all 4 upgraded upon this summer. McVee at least takes Worners spot, Simpson takes Banfield's and Johnson takes JOM.

 

[Spirit Level]

I agree with the criticism on Freddy but OMG enough with this "he lost us the game with that dribble kick" bullshit.

It was the first quarter, if he kicks that goal the whole timeline of the game changes. Who knows, GC might have pumped us by more if he kicked that.

 

[Patty_Moz]

I've actually consistenly called him out all year for not being good enough when it mattered - he's made a habit of becoming entirely irrelevant when games have mattered, and having a day out against weaker opponents, or opponents that are weak defensively. It's no coincidence he always bobs up for a few goals against Essendon or West Coast for example, whilst is un sighted whenever we play Geelong or Brisbane for example.

He's not a bad player, but the fact he has a bit of trade value is a reason why I'd look at it in all honesty, I would be desperately trying to improve that position, and he feels expendable. I do think pulls out of the contest, It was watching him live in that final that really made it clear to me he does - on too many occasions he simply did not go hard enough at the ball and someone else got there ahead of him, it's the sort of thing you see at the ground which you maybe miss on TV. It's more than just one moment, it was that entire way through the game - on too many occasions did me, my mate and a whole host of others around us make the same observation.

Clearly they see value on what he is doing - but every single one of those players you mentioned would be considered a significant upgrade on Frederick. Mate I'd bite your hand off for Darcy Jones in that position over Fred.

For me, from the side that played the Elim final - Worner, Banfield, JOM and Frederick all aren't good enough to be B23 and I'd like all 4 upgraded upon this summer. McVee at least takes Worners spot, Simpson takes Banfield's and Johnson takes JOM.

Not sure I follow.

I get the knocks on Freddy but he kicked 16 goals in our 11 games against the top 9 sides and 14 goals in 13 games against the rest. If anything he’s been better against the top sides than the bottom ones.

 

[apuchar]

Surely it isn't too much to ask that Freddie win some one-on-one contests against his direct opponent. He isn't made of glass.

 

[Big Animal]

been getting racism vibes on the Freddie criticism by a number on here (and one one shaved head big white bloke who sits near me at the game) this season. And I don't like it, especially by Freo supporters.

Yeah we criticise players on here all the time and have favourites. But this feels different.

Lost us the game because of a missed goal in the first. Seriously? Is your brain switched on?

4th highest goal scorer in the no man's land position of HF. But serious criticism because doesn't tackle enough even though we don't know the role the coach has given him.

It just gives me some fn bad vibes atm in some of these threads. Think some on here need to have a think about their motivations. I'm going to need to start ignoring again cause some comments just make me a bit nauseous.

 

[AstonSouffle]

been getting racism vibes on the Freddie criticism by a number on here (and one one shaved head big white bloke who sits near me at the game) this season. And I don't like it, especially by Freo supporters.

Yeah we criticise players on here all the time and have favourites. But this feels different.

Lost us the game because of a missed goal in the first. Seriously? Is your brain switched on?

4th highest goal scorer in the no man's land position of HF. But serious criticism because doesn't tackle enough even though we don't know the role the coach has given him.

It just gives me some fn bad vibes atm in some of these threads. Think some on here need to have a think about their motivations. I'm going to need to start ignoring again cause some comments just make me a bit nauseous.

The guy has no composure in the tight moments and you can’t trust him, and it’s not as if he has runs on the board that prove he’s the best in business.

I’m personally alert to racism (I.e. people clowning on Walker to be dropped during a stretch of being the best lockdown small forward defender in the competition).

But I don’t see it with Freddy, bloke just has to nail those moments or not play on directly into traffic when their key forward has a shot on goal?

 

[apuchar]

been getting racism vibes on the Freddie criticism by a number on here (and one one shaved head big white bloke who sits near me at the game) this season. And I don't like it, especially by Freo supporters.

Yeah we criticise players on here all the time and have favourites. But this feels different.

Lost us the game because of a missed goal in the first. Seriously? Is your brain switched on?

4th highest goal scorer in the no man's land position of HF. But serious criticism because doesn't tackle enough even though we don't know the role the coach has given him.

It just gives me some fn bad vibes atm in some of these threads. Think some on here need to have a think about their motivations. I'm going to need to start ignoring again cause some comments just make me a bit nauseous.

What a lot of rubbish. His lack of urgency in that game was diabolical. Just because someone isn't white that doesn't mean they should be above any criticism. I have been a solid supporter of Freddie, but that was an unacceptable performance from a senior player. The younger players were more physically competitive than he was. Even he said he need to be more consistent. He does, plus show a little more competitiveness. Not a big ask.

 

[Stevooo3940]

I've actually consistenly called him out all year for not being good enough when it mattered - he's made a habit of becoming entirely irrelevant when games have mattered, and having a day out against weaker opponents, or opponents that are weak defensively. It's no coincidence he always bobs up for a few goals against Essendon or West Coast for example, whilst is un sighted whenever we play Geelong or Brisbane for example.

He's not a bad player, but the fact he has a bit of trade value is a reason why I'd look at it in all honesty, I would be desperately trying to improve that position, and he feels expendable. I do think pulls out of the contest, It was watching him live in that final that really made it clear to me he does - on too many occasions he simply did not go hard enough at the ball and someone else got there ahead of him, it's the sort of thing you see at the ground which you maybe miss on TV. It's more than just one moment, it was that entire way through the game - on too many occasions did me, my mate and a whole host of others around us make the same observation.

Clearly they see value on what he is doing - but every single one of those players you mentioned would be considered a significant upgrade on Frederick. Mate I'd bite your hand off for Darcy Jones in that position over Fred.

For me, from the side that played the Elim final - Worner, Banfield, JOM and Frederick all aren't good enough to be B23 and I'd like all 4 upgraded upon this summer. McVee at least takes Worners spot, Simpson takes Banfield's and Johnson takes JOM.

He kicked 2 against Geelong. 2 against Adelaide. 1 against the Pies. 2 against GWS. 2 against Hawthorn. The guy is doing exactly what's asked of him whether you care to admit it or not. Agree on your take of Worner, Banfield and JOM though. Add Chapman to that list. He needs to be played elsewhere. Defence is killing him. And thank god Fyfe is no longer (brings a tear to my eye but it was tough to watch in the end).

 

[Cesoir]

been getting racism vibes on the Freddie criticism by a number on here (and one one shaved head big white bloke who sits near me at the game) this season. And I don't like it, especially by Freo supporters.

Yeah we criticise players on here all the time and have favourites. But this feels different.

Lost us the game because of a missed goal in the first. Seriously? Is your brain switched on?

4th highest goal scorer in the no man's land position of HF. But serious criticism because doesn't tackle enough even though we don't know the role the coach has given him.

It just gives me some fn bad vibes atm in some of these threads. Think some on here need to have a think about their motivations. I'm going to need to start ignoring again cause some comments just make me a bit nauseous.

Being part of a minority does not exempt you from criticism, warranted or unwarranted. If you see racism in this then I think the problem is yours - and possibly the "big shaved head WHITE bloke who sits near you".

There are many players on here who cop more unwarranted criticism than Freddie. Think Banfield, Switta, JOM, even Brayshaw FFS.

There is more than enough real bigotry in the world without trying to find it where it doesn't exist.

 

[Spirit Level]

been getting racism vibes on the Freddie criticism by a number on here (and one one shaved head big white bloke who sits near me at the game) this season. And I don't like it, especially by Freo supporters.

Are you actually though?

Or is it just because he's getting some criticism (fairly) and isn't a white guy?

 

[Sherriff Incorporated]

been getting racism vibes on the Freddie criticism by a number on here (and one one shaved head big white bloke who sits near me at the game) this season. And I don't like it, especially by Freo supporters.

Yeah we criticise players on here all the time and have favourites. But this feels different.

Lost us the game because of a missed goal in the first. Seriously? Is your brain switched on?

4th highest goal scorer in the no man's land position of HF. But serious criticism because doesn't tackle enough even though we don't know the role the coach has given him.

It just gives me some fn bad vibes atm in some of these threads. Think some on here need to have a think about their motivations. I'm going to need to start ignoring again cause some comments just make me a bit nauseous.

Ignore away champ. I'm one of biggest Freddy supporters but I'll still call out your rubbish. He got criticised because he plays a role outside the contest and some people call that a soft style of play. Acres, Langdon, Sheridan and Sharp have been called soft too.It's the same thing. Sheridan had a very poor final years ago (just like Freddy recently) and he copped way more abuse than Freddy has and it was because many perceived him as a fumbler who played a soft style of play. I rate Freddy's role but that doesn't mean there is anyone racist who disagrees with my views.

My job involves working with cultural minorities and doing training on how to run community groups celebrating culture. The feedback I get is that most minorities are sick of racism being linked to everything (when its not racism) as it discredits what racism actually is. In fact the over reactors are considered by many migrants to be the ones projecting their own internal racist beliefs is an overwhelming view.
Deadset do better.

 

[Barnabus]

I did consider at times whether there was a racist element to the Freddie criticism and I have concluded it is more to do with the type of player he is. Having said that the criticism is mostly without merit and is often based on incorrect info (eg. That he performs only against poor teams or that he cost us the final). He is never going to be a tackling machine and that is not really what we need. We need players who kick goals. He does that. We need players who can finish top 10 in the BnF. He did that too.

There are people who would play 23 inside mids who can't kick if they could tackle well. Also since we are trading anyone who kicked a behind in the GC game we are losing Jackson, Amiss, Bolton and Reid as well. Should make us better right?

 

[swanny1234]

been getting racism vibes on the Freddie criticism by a number on here (and one one shaved head big white bloke who sits near me at the game) this season. And I don't like it, especially by Freo supporters.

Yeah we criticise players on here all the time and have favourites. But this feels different.

Lost us the game because of a missed goal in the first. Seriously? Is your brain switched on?

4th highest goal scorer in the no man's land position of HF. But serious criticism because doesn't tackle enough even though we don't know the role the coach has given him.

It just gives me some fn bad vibes atm in some of these threads. Think some on here need to have a think about their motivations. I'm going to need to start ignoring again cause some comments just make me a bit nauseous.

Wow man - nothing racist about it, This is purely about his lack of composure in big moments, and the lack of pressure he brings and his inability to go hard in the contest. Not at one point has his or anyone's race been brought into it until you did.

 

[theGav56]

Amiss becoming our version of Jeremy Cameron would be awesome. Roaming far and wide and creating, then being a dead eye in front of goal when doing his day job, that of a key forward.

I prefer Treacy being our wandering forward.

 

[King Huskii]

Why not lay off the Hugh Davies mocking. He was born with ginger hair and I don't think making fun of him is appropriate.

On another note, nobody has made fun of Freddy they just think he goes missing in games and come finals that can hurt the team as Freo needs all 23 players at their best. I think that's fair enough. By the way I think Freddy at his best is easily best 23. I'd just like him more consistent. I hope I've been careful enough in my critique.

 

[Redgum]

Freddie is just an opportunist goal kicker, it's really all he does. Never gets large possessions and is ZERO defensively.
I somehow can't see him changing anytime soon ,it's in his dna. As long as he gives us 30+ goals a year and you hope we have more than adequate defensive cover form the other forwards ,he stays in. If you can find a replacement player that gives those goals and is defensive,I wouldn't hesitate replacing Freddie.

 

[ubiquitous226]

Ignore away champ. I'm one of biggest Freddy supporters but I'll still call out your rubbish. He got criticised because he plays a role outside the contest and some people call that a soft style of play. Acres, Langdon, Sheridan and Sharp have been called soft too.It's the same thing. Sheridan had a very poor final years ago (just like Freddy recently) and he copped way more abuse than Freddy has and it was because many perceived him as a fumbler who played a soft style of play. I rate Freddy's role but that doesn't mean there is anyone racist who disagrees with my views.

My job involves working with cultural minorities and doing training on how to run community groups celebrating culture. The feedback I get is that most minorities are sick of racism being linked to everything (when its not racism) as it discredits what racism actually is. In fact the over reactors are considered by many migrants to be the ones projecting their own internal racist beliefs is an overwhelming view.
Deadset do better.

I think this is probably the best summary for mine - there's a lot of outside players that cop criticism in AFL.

I offer you none other than Daicos, who while is a great player has the combination of tall poppy/overhyped that Aussies tend to hate, and outside skills, to draw the ire of the general AFL supporter base outside of Collingwood.

Without going too far down the rabbit hole systemic racism is a problem, but in this case I'm not seeing those vibes.
I'd like to applaud people for generally keeping the discussion on the right track - disagreeing without going too far.

As others have stated Freddie had a shit final, a pretty decent season, and has a bunch of stuff to keep working on.
We won't be able to upgrade without spending a lot in cap and draft picks, so I can't see it happening - we went and got Shai, I think we just need another decent pressure forward to round out the balance.

 

[Sherriff Incorporated]

Wow man - nothing racist about it, This is purely about his lack of composure in big moments, and the lack of pressure he brings and his inability to go hard in the contest. Not at one point has his or anyone's race been brought into it until you did.

The projection is very strong in that poster you are responding too.

 

[ignoramus]

Having said that the criticism is mostly without merit and is often based on incorrect info

Fundamentally disagree with this. In the vast, vast, vast majority of cases, criticisms are not based on incorrect info, but rather the info/evidence is selected to support the criticism; and if the evidence is proven wrong, it’s usually a simple matter to summon some more up. That’s why anyone trying to win an argument in the context of polemic is on a fool’s errand.

 

[Big Animal]

The projection is very strong in that poster you are responding too.

prove it

 

[Sherriff Incorporated]

prove it

You're referencing views that have been said about white caucasian players for the exact same football reasons as being racist when they are anything but. Like I said those seeing racism everywhere when its nothing to do with racism but simply a view that would be expressed no matter what the race do so because they feel an internal need to express to the world how non racist they are in the say way religious hypocrites felt a need to project to the world how virtuous they are. I work with African migrants. They love Australia for the safety that it provides as does Freddy if you've checked his past views.

 

[mattis117]

I've plucked up the courage to rewatch the elimination final. First quarter take away is we need Amiss to develop. We went to him six times and he lost 5 and won 1 for a behind. Zero went to ground. He is way ahead of Collins at the same age, the man who dominated him. I do wonder when it was the Amiss got injured though.

Feels like I'm punishing myself watching this again. Geez we actually dominated this first quarter for no reward. Bolton obviously another that just butchered a lot of opportunities.

Hard to see NOD making it without a right foot as well.