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Brennan Cox is a great defender don't get me wrong but Jesus he has his moments 
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Who could possibly have played in Bolton's place last year and done better?
In McVee's case there are viable alternatives.
Granted it is always difficult for players in their first year at a new club but that should not mean a guaranteed start.
Also not too sure McVee was a standout at Melbourne. Bolton and Jackson were at their respective clubs.
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Something that might be getting overlooked because of he doesn't look it, McVee is actually only 22. So still plenty of growth, I will say in the end not sure we needed him but I guess Simpson and Walker have been a bit injury prone. Walker will be out for a while, would like to get a look at Cooper at some point though as far as I can tell hasn't been dominating in the wafl like he should be.
Worner has officially broken free from whipping boy status. It's a badge of honour really. Banners tried for years and could never escape it.
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If we are going have a thread about whipping boys, is someone next going to have a thread about spanking (lightly) ladies (over the age of 18, who have given consent to be spanked, probably by other ladies)?
Where do we draw the line?
Where do we draw the line?
THe line?
CONSENTING adults, in PRIVATE!
Shut this cesspit of sadistic cruelty and voyeurism down.
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He won the Dee's Best Young Player Award, was a Rising Star Nominee and was 7th in their Best and Fairest in his debut year 2023. He was 9th in their b&f 2024. Played every game in those 2 years. High hammy tear 2025.
Perhaps not a standout, but very solid.
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Feel like players we've traded in for second rounders have become whipping boys on this board.
Jordan Clark and Brad Hill about the only exceptions - It helps when you're in our top 7-8 players.
Realistically players like Lobb, Wilson, Aish, O'Meara and now McVee were solid best 22 players.
From 2010 these are our second rounders:
2010: Viv Michie
2011: Alex Forster
2012: Tanner Smith
2013: Alex Pearce
2014: Connor Blakely
2015: Darcy Tucker, Harley Balic
2016: Sean Darcy, Brennan Cox
2017: N/A
2018: Luke Valente
2019: N/A
2020: Nathan O'Driscoll
2021: N/A
2022: Hugh Davies
2023: Ollie Murphy
2024: Charlie Nicholls
2025: N/A
You're only taking Pearce, Cox and Darcy ahead of the guys traded in. Outside of maybe Davies for the future anyone trying to argue otherwise is simply wrong.
IMO there's a few posters on this board stuck in the early 2000s when every Freo trade was a disaster. They can't see a fair trade when it's right in their face unless the player is as good as Clark, Jackson or Bolton.
Comments saying Walker is a better kick than McVee ate laughable - I mean have these posters seen Walker play? I don't mind Walker but he's quicker and better at defending genuine smalls then McVee. McVee has him covered in every other way.
Jordan Clark and Brad Hill about the only exceptions - It helps when you're in our top 7-8 players.
Realistically players like Lobb, Wilson, Aish, O'Meara and now McVee were solid best 22 players.
From 2010 these are our second rounders:
2010: Viv Michie
2011: Alex Forster
2012: Tanner Smith
2013: Alex Pearce
2014: Connor Blakely
2015: Darcy Tucker, Harley Balic
2016: Sean Darcy, Brennan Cox
2017: N/A
2018: Luke Valente
2019: N/A
2020: Nathan O'Driscoll
2021: N/A
2022: Hugh Davies
2023: Ollie Murphy
2024: Charlie Nicholls
2025: N/A
You're only taking Pearce, Cox and Darcy ahead of the guys traded in. Outside of maybe Davies for the future anyone trying to argue otherwise is simply wrong.
IMO there's a few posters on this board stuck in the early 2000s when every Freo trade was a disaster. They can't see a fair trade when it's right in their face unless the player is as good as Clark, Jackson or Bolton.
Comments saying Walker is a better kick than McVee ate laughable - I mean have these posters seen Walker play? I don't mind Walker but he's quicker and better at defending genuine smalls then McVee. McVee has him covered in every other way.
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Struggle to see how Walker can be a worse kick than McVee when I don't think I've ever seen McVee hit a target
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Not sold on him. Quickly becoming Judd McLiability for mine. Not sure why we traded him in when we could have (and should have) continued to groom Simpson and Walker for the roles whilst drafting future coverage (?). Seems like one of the very few trades from the past 3-5 years that hasn't been great. I guess there's still time but I don't see anything he brings that means he should be automatic best 23. He's fortunate Walker has been a bit trashy when not injured/concussed at Peel and Simpson just isn't preferred at AFL level despite being more than okay last year before injury struck. Right place, right time I guess
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Mcvee produced this in his second season of AFL. He'll be fine.
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Might I add players like Walker and Simpson have never produced comparable seasons, let alone back to back like Judd achieved in 2023-4.
He cost a second rounder and isn't on a fat contract. The revisionism on other players has been astounding given we are 10 and 1 since Judd has arrived (Walker played in our only loss). Give him some time and let him cook, I reckon.
Put it this way, if Mcvee is our biggest concern in the 23, and we are 10 and 1, we are doing pretty well. Remember when Banfield, Sharp, Draper and Walker were our 18-22nd players in our best 22? The results speak for themselves.
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Might I add players like Walker and Simpson have never produced comparable seasons, let alone back to back like Judd achieved in 2023-4.
He cost a second rounder and isn't on a fat contract. The revisionism on other players has been astounding given we are 10 and 1 since Judd has arrived (Walker played in our only loss). Give him some time and let him cook, I reckon.
Put it this way, if Mcvee is our biggest concern in the 23, and we are 10 and 1, we are doing pretty well. Remember when Banfield, Sharp, Draper and Walker were our 18-22nd players in our best 22? The results speak for themselves.
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Good to see that Worner and Frederick have been taken off the Whipping Boy list.
Not sure that McVee is an adequate replacement. May need a loss or two to cement his place.
Not sure that McVee is an adequate replacement. May need a loss or two to cement his place.
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I wish we could rise above having a whipping boy. After reading about Noddy's mental health issues and his struggles with social media, we need to rise above bullying our own players.
Bolton took a while to 'fit in' with the Freo team and was accused of being lazy. Even Mundy copped a bit of sh*t in his earlly days. We don't really know what JLo's instructions are to each player, but we seem to have great camaraderie.
Bolton took a while to 'fit in' with the Freo team and was accused of being lazy. Even Mundy copped a bit of sh*t in his earlly days. We don't really know what JLo's instructions are to each player, but we seem to have great camaraderie.
Wonder how much Freo owes it to recruits to give them a period of time to settle down. Also in terms of enticing future recruits I wouldn't discount that as a factor as to why Mcvee is unlikely to be dropped.
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Credit to Freddie, clearly the GC game last year had an effect on him and instead of going into his shell he's used it as motivation to improve. Good sign of his mental game. I had my doubts but his work on the wing in the past month or so has been top notch.
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Remember last year when Simpson was brought into the league team he had been pretty ordinary but took to the big time like a duck to water.
If he comes in he will be ready.
Unless it is because players return, Pearce,O'Meara, Young Serong, I don't see ant change.
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This is exactly the sort of comment that just make me think anything a poster says about a certain player can't be taken seriously.
If you've never seen McVee hit a target you haven't been watching our games.
I know you're exaggerating what you think is the reality but to me this just screams someone seeing what they want to see.
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Presumably there is some evolutionary advantage for a significant minority of a group to feel the need to have an individual to blame for sub optimal outcomes. Maybe the threat of shame helps to improve the performance of the least talented in a group?
After all you're stuck with your greater family group on the plains of the Serengeti in 20,000 BC, but you get to pick the best to make your professional footy team.
After all you're stuck with your greater family group on the plains of the Serengeti in 20,000 BC, but you get to pick the best to make your professional footy team.
If Scerri was a more experienced player he'd go straight into whipping boy category tbh.
I like him because he has a few nice attributes but his contributions to the tean so far have been quite minimal.
Another example of double standards on this board.
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Worner has had a terrific three-week period. He has really found some confidence in his attacking game and has always been moving in the right direction as a defensive player.
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can't be much worse than the 3 dropped chest marks by Worner or the fluffs by McVee the last few weeks since back from illness. Would be good to get a second person in our D50 that has EV acceleration rather than the current Musso-level take offs.
