Weaver Phantom Draft Mark 3

[YAKUZA]

Trolling?? what are you on about dasler? is there some unwritten rule or condition that says you can't comment on certain sites or topics?
The goose made an unwarranted and unfair comment about a kid that in my opinion deserved to be challenged. The fact that you agreed with him makes you just as stupid.
As for your comment tiger of old, I unlike weaver or is it ****er, don't pretend to be an expert, but to satisfy your curiosity which Victorian kid do you want me to comment on?

 

[Stevo]

Originally posted by YAKUZA
Trolling?? what are you on about dasler? is there some unwritten rule or condition that says you can't comment on certain sites or topics?
The goose made an unwarranted and unfair comment about a kid that in my opinion deserved to be challenged. The fact that you agreed with him makes you just as stupid.
As for your comment tiger of old, I unlike weaver or is it ****er, don't pretend to be an expert, but to satisfy your curiosity which Victorian kid do you want me to comment on?

I'm interested in Ray. What can you tell me about him?

 

[holdencaulfield]

First of all good effort Weaver
Questions for Weaver or goaldenhawk

On a melbourne site Craig Cameron mentioned that he thought Harry Miller a forward pocket who played a few games for port magpies in the seniors would go in the 2nd round, didn't make the top 65 any reason or some more info on him?
In another thread a while ago a player for Gippy Power who i think was named Mcqualter was mention as playing mostly school footy but in the 3 or so games he played was very impressive in averaging high 30s. Any chance he will be drafted?

 

[dasler]

Not at all yakuza I enjoy your comments most thoroughly. What I don't enjoy is your constant name-calling and labelling of people who post something you may not like to read. That is where I distinguish it...otherwise go for it!

 

[Stevo]

Originally posted by holdencaulfield
In another thread a while ago a player for Gippy Power who i think was named Mcqualter was mention as playing mostly school footy but in the 3 or so games he played was very impressive in averaging high 30s. Any chance he will be drafted?

My take on McQualter was that he has the ball on a string. The other areas of his game, while not superlative, were adequate. He has a notable lack of bulk and experience, so he's still an unknown quantity. He could take his talent to the next level, or he might fizzle out.

He's bottom age (I believe he doesn't turn 18 till late in the season next year), so he might play a full season in the TAC next year, and we'll see how he goes there.

 

[holdencaulfield]

Thanks for that stevo . He sounds to me like a plyer who would be worth a punt.

 

[Stevo]

Originally posted by holdencaulfield
Thanks for that stevo . He sounds to me like a plyer who would be worth a punt.

Agreed, but he'll probably go third round at the earliest. There's too many players ahead of him with plenty of talent and better credentials.

 

[Bomber12]

Originally posted by YAKUZA
Trolling?? what are you on about dasler? is there some unwritten rule or condition that says you can't comment on certain sites or topics?
The goose made an unwarranted and unfair comment about a kid that in my opinion deserved to be challenged. The fact that you agreed with him makes you just as stupid.
As for your comment tiger of old, I unlike weaver or is it ****er, don't pretend to be an expert, but to satisfy your curiosity which Victorian kid do you want me to comment on?

agreed!!, too many ppl around these boards that will comment for the sake of it, eventhough they have no clue

 

[lamby29]

Originally posted by Bomber12
agreed!!, too many ppl around these boards that will comment for the sake of it, eventhough they have no clue

Where is your Phantom Draft d*ckhead?

 

[Bomber12]

Originally posted by lamby29
Where is your Phantom Draft d*ckhead?

dont need to post one, it dosn't prove anything, id back my knowledge on players any day goose!!, just because im not in to predicting players futures dont make me any less of a person than you are

 

[dasler]

Originally posted by Bomber12
dont need to post one, it dosn't prove anything, id back my knowledge on players any day goose!!, just because im not in to predicting players futures dont make me any less of a person than you are

No but it lacks in credibility when someone has a go, gets shut down then the heros dont post any thoughts of their own..aka phantom draft

Yakuza still waiting on your Farren report?

 

[footyman]

Originally posted by Weaver

As for Calder? I'll stick by my opinion and eat humble pie on draft day if need be. Clifton and Silvester are the only two I would consider unlucky, but there are only 65 spots up for grabs and the thought that 12 should go to one team is a bit OTT.

Nobody ever said 12 should come from Calder, but I have seen them play just about every week this year and I am stunned that you have put Ben Jolley and Ronnie Davis in ahead of other players from that club. Jolley only went to screening, and Davis didn't go to any testing.

I can't believe you left out Adam Bentick, who is ten times better than some of the rejects you have found a spot for in your phantom draft, probably because they come from another club. An AFL club wouldn't give too hoots about whether Calder has 6 or 8 drafted, or whether they should pick a Jets kid at pick 80 because they haven't had a draftee from there yet.

Goaldenhawk has said his "probables" are McLean, Dawson, Bentick and Clifton - you only have one of them in your draft weaver!

I'd be stunned if Calder had only four drafted.

 

[Bomber12]

Originally posted by dasler
No but it lacks in credibility when someone has a go, gets shut down then the heros dont post any thoughts of their own..aka phantom draft

Yakuza still waiting on your Farren report?

come on mate the only person that has credibility on this site i believe is The Doctor, he has a very sound knowledge on players but dosn't shoot his mouth of, just keeps his knowledge by his side for when he needs it, i dont need u to tell me that my credibility will be worthy if i post a phantom draft

 

[Weaver]

Originally posted by YAKUZA
And I suppose that apart from being some sort of self appointed expert you were a tough inside midfielder when you played, that's if you played at all.

I think Al Pacino makes a much better movie gangster than Hugh Grant. But then I have neither been a gangster, an actor or a movie critic.

 

[Stevo]

Originally posted by footyman
I can't believe you left out Adam Bentick, who is ten times better than some of the rejects you have found a spot for in your phantom draft, probably because they come from another club.

I'd be surprised if he makes it into the third round. There's been a lot of focus on McLean because of his great performance in the GF, but Bentick was more consistent throughout the season.

 

[dasler]

Originally posted by Bomber12
come on mate the only person that has credibility on this site i believe is The Doctor, he has a very sound knowledge on players but dosn't shoot his mouth of, just keeps his knowledge by his side for when he needs it, i dont need u to tell me that my credibility will be worthy if i post a phantom draft

Not at all saying that bomber. Weaver was having a go, and after reviewing the process through which he allocates the clubs players is used, I understand the sentiments.

I'm simply not a fan of telling someone he is a ******** when he has a go, might get it wrong and then is completely shut down.

Weaver's knowledge is very very good IMO, but I do agree this phantom draft might not be as reflective as what we have all thought thus far.

 

[Weaver]

Originally posted by footyman
No Clifton, no Dawson, no Bentick - and they went to draft camp. Why did you leave them out? What about Douglas, Silvester, Hartigan, Kent, Iacobucci????

Originally posted by footyman
Nobody ever said 12 should come from Calder, but I have seen them play just about every week this year and I am stunned that you have put Ben Jolley and Ronnie Davis in ahead of other players from that club. Jolley only went to screening, and Davis didn't go to any testing.

I will presume you include McLean and Trotter, so you are implying 10, not 12. I apologise. I included Davis and Jolley to get the 12 number and you obviously don't like them.

As I have said a number of times, Davis did much better at the Metro trials and playing for Victoria than for Calder. He is also the kind of guy who can run the ball out of the backline. I think AFL clubs like those running, rebounding backmen so I included him.

Ben Jolley has great stamina, good size for a wingman and impressed me with his ability to win his own ball which is not that common for a wingman. I think his athleticism will help him. Jolley's lack of bulk will hold him back but I see a lot of potential in him.

Both Davis and Jolley are young enough to return for another year and as I mentioned at the very beginning of this thread I emphasise taking the bottom age players.

I can't believe you left out Adam Bentick, who is ten times better than some of the rejects you have found a spot for in your phantom draft, probably because they come from another club.

Adam Bentick is a fantastic goer. He is tough, gets his head over the ball and works tirelessly for his team. I love watching him play, I love that he can lead the stats sheet in both tackles and inside 50s which are normally mutually exclusive.

I also think that there have been guys like Abe Williams, Nick Geischen, Adam Cosham, Brad Sewell and Michael Stinear who have been similar types and have not been taken in the draft proper. AFL clubs tend to ask more of their draft picks than toughness and ball-winning. They also want athelticism and elite skills.

Leaving Bentick out is not a reflection on him, it is a reflection on the AFL which is increasingly becoming touch-footy played by triathletes ... that is another thread though. Jolley and Davis fit the profile, Bentick doesn't.

If the world was fair the top 20 would include players like Bentick, Waters, Adcock, Logan and McLean ... chances are it won't. If the world was fair Chiu would be rookied, but he probably won't make the VFL.

An AFL club wouldn't give too hoots about whether Calder has 6 or 8 drafted, or whether they should pick a Jets kid at pick 80 because they haven't had a draftee from there yet.

I didn't mean to imply that they would. I was suggesting that the idea that of the best 65 players in the country 12 are at one club was probably over-stating things. The AFL clubs will indeed take whoever they want and won't care what club they are from.

Goaldenhawk has said his "probables" are McLean, Dawson, Bentick and Clifton - you only have one of them in your draft weaver!

I specifically mentioned that I thought Dawson and Clifton unlucky.

Dawson is not tall enough to ruck at 194cm and while he improved greatly as the season went on he didn't really show an enormous amount as a key position player. He played some FB at the end of last season and was OK, but I suspect he might have to wait until next year. Because he is bottom age and can't be rookied he might be drafted.

Clifton is a guy who might go. I personally don't think he takes enough marks or kicks well enough for a guy who has as many opportunities as he has every week. Because he is top age and can be rookied I think that clubs might go for guys they can't rookie (Dawson) and then rookie the likes of Clifton and Silvester.

I'd be stunned if Calder had only four drafted.

I think they are a very good, very even team. I think 4-5 drafted and perhaps another 3 rookied. But I was trying to guesstimate a top 65, not top 100.

 

[footyman]

Originally posted by Weaver
I also think that there have been guys like Abe Williams, Nick Geischen, Adam Cosham, Brad Sewell and Michael Stinear who have been similar types and have not been taken in the draft proper.

Clifton is a guy who might go. I personally don't think he takes enough marks or kicks well enough for a guy who has as many opportunities as he has every week.

Thanks for dissecting my post weaver.

Firstly, Bentick went to draft camp. Correct me if I'm wrong but Williams, Geischen, Cosham, Sewell and Stinear did not go to draft camp in 2002. In fact two of those five didn't even go to screening. Adam Bentick did go to the draft camp this year, therefore I expect there to have been more interest in him from AFL clubs than the five examples you just gave from last year.

Ron Davis has not proven himself in the midfield yet and that concerns me, although I think next year he might play in there and be alright at it. Off half back this year I found that he loves to run off and stroll up the ground, so the games he killed it was when he had lazy opponents who didn't bother going with him when he did it. That lazy Stanton from Northern was one of them, also a kid from Geelong didn't do it either. They were Ronnie's best two games. In saying that - he is fit, strong and a good athlete which is definately what clubs would be after. I certainly expect him to be one of the better players in the TAC Cup next year if he isn't drafted this year. 182cm and 84kg is a good size for a midfielder at his age.

I was not a Clifton fan much this year but he did average 4 marks a game, and if he works on building up, presenting and getting into better position in contests I think he could be quite good.

From the Cannons I think McLean, Trotter, Bentick, Clifton, Silvester, Hartigan and Dawson are the best prospects to be taken. That is not 12 - I merely referred to that figure as an example and mentioned about 5 or 6 names you left out to query if you thought they would be in the mix.

 

[Weaver]

Originally posted by holdencaulfield

On a melbourne site Craig Cameron mentioned that he thought Harry Miller a forward pocket who played a few games for port magpies in the seniors would go in the 2nd round, didn't make the top 65 any reason or some more info on him?

Harry Miller looks a specialist forward pocket / goal sneak. He tends to sneak out the back of packs and forward of the play. I also think to be a good goalsneak it is best to be 2-footed because you will probably only get 4-5 chances a game and half could fall on your wrong side. At 174cm he might be too small to be a regualr midfielder.

He is very quick, and has some flair. I just don't know about drafting specialist small forwards. History sort of says that the likes of Milne, Davey, Kenna, Dinnell, Moorcroft and Borlace have had to sort of 'sneak' towards the AFL via the backdoor.

 

[Falconer02]

Ease up on Weaver,he is the best draft expert for WA on this site so you dicks who think you are so good, just be quite and keep all that good knowledge that you supposedly have to yourselfs, because that is when you know someone is smart apparantlley?

 

[LongBombFromOutside50]

Originally posted by dasler
Not at all saying that bomber. Weaver was having a go, and after reviewing the process through which he allocates the clubs players is used, I understand the sentiments.

I'm simply not a fan of telling someone he is a ******** when he has a go, might get it wrong and then is completely shut down.

Weaver's knowledge is very very good IMO, but I do agree this phantom draft might not be as reflective as what we have all thought thus far.

Agreed. I respect Weaver's knowledge and opinion but I don't think any phantom draft created by one person will be accurate unless the creator has a fairly evenly distributed level of knowledge on players from each state and league. Although, having said that, I do think Weaver's knowledge on the WA boys is more depthful than most other 'experts'.

Also, Weaver, I'm interested to hear why you excluded Paul Richardson (Swan Districts) and Brett Jones (Claremont) from your phantom draft?

 

[GOALden Hawk]

footyman - I have Trotter as a definite as well, so that's 5 that should be picked up. Hartigan should be rookie listed if not a late pick.

Just on Harry Miller - he is very quick and has good goal sense - he reminds me very much of Leon Davis. Unfortunately, like Leon, he has a horrible habit of playing for free kicks. Does it ALL the time.

I'd be amazed if he went in the 2nd round, but let's face it - Craig Cameron would know a lot better than us. Will be interesting to see if the Dees pick him up.

I would prefer Josh Willoughby, Dean Chester or Stevie Kenna myself.

 

[The Doctor]

Keep up the good work all you draft enthusiasts. It's great to have some meaningful discussion (preferably without the sniping) on the next wave of young talent. Let's face it. If we relied on the media for information all we would get is a regurgitation of the same 10 names.

 

[GOALden Hawk]

Originally posted by The Doctor
Keep up the good work all you draft enthusiasts. It's great to have some meaningful discussion (preferably without the sniping) on the next wave of young talent. Let's face it. If we relied on the media for information all we would get is a regurgitation of the same 10 names.

And Kevin Sheahan saying they are all certain Brownlow winners!

I noticed you mentioned Anthony Chiu Weaver - I could not think of a kid I'd like to see drafted more than him, but you're right - it won't happen.

 

[marcuz]

I would love to see steven dinnell get drafted..the kid deserves it and never mind that he is only 165cms..he can play football. He would do well with my mob essendon standing at Lloyds feet where he would be very dangerous as his speed,reading of the play and goal sense are amazing