Universal Love Welcome to Carlton Graham Wright

[WalshistheGOAT]

Match winners are..

Cripps
Mackay
Charlie
Tdk

Cripps isnt going anywhere. That’s pretty close to certainty.

Tdk is an obvious possibility

That leaves Charlie and H

The question is ..

A. are we better off with 2 high salary key forwards ?

Or

B. Keep one and turn the other into an elite small forward or a dynamic midfielder ?

In tge modern game I believe B makes us better overall.

GW values small forwards based on his work at filth and hawks so I think option B is definitely a possibility.

No the question is how do we get an elite small forward or dynamic midfielder?

We can trade as many names as we want out the door, that doesn't change the fact that there's nobody on the market right now that sticks out as an obvious answer.

Getting Liam Ryan in for a few years or a highly talented young small and hoping they can come on in the next couple of years is the best chance we've got. The rest have been locked away by their clubs who realized long before ours that those players were essential to the new brand of modern football being played by the best teams in the comp.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Give our current coaches players with express pace and kicking skills and we will win lots of football games. Nothing surer in my mind.

Agreed. We've done remarkably well at stages with an extremely limited group.

When we've had our full assortment of outside players like Elijah, Newman, Cottrell, Boyd etc healthy and in form we seem to have little issues moving the ball and scoring. Same with Cunners, Martin, Marchy etc in our run in 2023.

Whenever a few of them are missing we fall in a heap and revert to hack kicking bombs into the f50 only to see it slingshot back against us over and over again.

 

[GT619]

No the question is how do we get an elite small forward or dynamic midfielder?

We can trade as many names as we want out the door, that doesn't change the fact that there's nobody on the market right now that sticks out as an obvious answer.

Getting Liam Ryan in for a few years or a highly talented young small and hoping they can come on in the next couple of years is the best chance we've got. The rest have been locked away by their clubs who realized long before ours that those players were essential to the new brand of modern football being played by the best teams in the comp.

we haven't had a dynamic midfielder or small since judd and betts/garlett

 

[Accidental genius]

No the question is how do we get an elite small forward or dynamic midfielder?

We can trade as many names as we want out the door, that doesn't change the fact that there's nobody on the market right now that sticks out as an obvious answer.

Getting Liam Ryan in for a few years or a highly talented young small and hoping they can come on in the next couple of years is the best chance we've got. The rest have been locked away by their clubs who realized long before ours that those players were essential to the new brand of modern football being played by the best teams in the comp.

Established elite small is going to be costly for SC plus overs to get across.

Can we afford it whilst retaining our stars is really the question in my mind and what was proposed.

 

[TENACIOUS]

Agreed. We've done remarkably well at stages with an extremely limited group.

When we've had our full assortment of outside players like Elijah, Newman, Cottrell, Boyd etc healthy and in form we seem to have little issues moving the ball and scoring. Same with Cunners, Martin, Marchy etc in our run in 2023.

Whenever a few of them are missing we fall in a heap and revert to hack kicking bombs into the f50 only to see it slingshot back against us over and over again.

Collingwood has done well with a limited group.

We are nowhere near them. Their coaching shits all over ours, we have a better list.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Collingwood has done well with a limited group.

We are nowhere near them. Their coaching shits all over ours, we have a better list.

Agree to disagree. We have about 5 good kicks of the footy across our whole list.

 

[jj1978]

Collingwood has done well with a limited group.

We are nowhere near them. Their coaching shits all over ours, we have a better list.

We'll see how Wright rates our list compared to the Pies in time (as he's pretty familiar with that list and their strategies)

 

[bradfisher14]

Agree to disagree. We have about 5 good kicks of the footy across our whole list.

5 is being generous IMO.

 

[goreds]

Collingwood has done well with a limited group.

We are nowhere near them. Their coaching shits all over ours, we have a better list.

Do we? I did say we did at the start of the year, but not now.

Their list kicks better than us and runs much better than us. The modern game!

 

[GoBlues!]

Agree to disagree. We have about 5 good kicks of the footy across our whole list.

About right: Weitering, Boyd, Carroll, Elijah, Cerra, Lord are all good kicks. JSOS and Curnow are reasonably good kicks as well.

 

[Kruezing]

Collingwood has done well with a limited group.

We are nowhere near them. Their coaching shits all over ours, we have a better list.

Geez reckon their smalls are the best going around

 

[JJBagger]

Geez reckon their smalls are the best going around

Brisbane and Geelong say hi

 

[TENACIOUS]

Do we? I did say we did at the start of the year, but not now.

Their list kicks better than us and runs much better than us. The modern game!

Because they are well coached, McRae is the best coach in the league.

They have average players buying in and excelling in their modern game plan Frampton, Membrey, Cox, Hoskins-Elliott, McStay.

Plus they are slow Sidebottom, Pendlebury, DeGoey, Houston. But lightning by foot, because they get it to the outside.

I don’t think we are that poor by foot, our game plan doesn’t allow for us to have time and space to make a decision.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Because they are well coached, McRae is the best coach in the league.

They have average players buying in and excelling in their modern game plan Frampton, Membrey, Cox, Hoskins-Elliott, McStay.

Plus they are slow Sidebottom, Pendlebury, DeGoey, Houston. But lightning by foot, because they get it to the outside.

I don’t think we are that poor by foot, our game plan doesn’t allow for us to have time and space to make a decision.

Hill, Daicos x 2, Quaynor, Schultz, McCreery, Elliot, Crisp is slow?

 

[TENACIOUS]

Hill, Daicos x 2, Quaynor, Schultz, McCreery, Elliot, Crisp is slow?

I didn’t say those guys were slow. Overall as a team they aren’t quick though.

 

[Soapy V]

About right: Weitering, Boyd, Carroll, Elijah, Cerra, Lord are all good kicks. JSOS and Curnow are reasonably good kicks as well.

I’d add McGovern Cowan Motlop Durdin Cottrell Cincotta Flynn HOF Moir Charleston Wilson Evans as well. They can all kick a football well

It’s not as bad a people state. IMO it’s more about practice and system

 

[DangerousD]

No the question is how do we get an elite small forward or dynamic midfielder?

We can trade as many names as we want out the door, that doesn't change the fact that there's nobody on the market right now that sticks out as an obvious answer.

Getting Liam Ryan in for a few years or a highly talented young small and hoping they can come on in the next couple of years is the best chance we've got. The rest have been locked away by their clubs who realized long before ours that those players were essential to the new brand of modern football being played by the best teams in the comp.

Things change though, Schulz was contracted at Freo, wasn’t Hill still contracted at GWS

Regardless, every year there’s plenty of players who move, who are under contract.

 

[bigblueboy]

Everyone seems to have a view about Wright will do.

Here’s some predictions on football changes now it’s been confirmed he is taking over in August.

Coach: Will sack Voss. Scott Burns

Scott Burns

Age

50

Ht

181cm

Wt

85kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

19.2

5star

K

10.5

4star

HB

8.7

5star

M

5.0

5star

T

2.8

4star

No current season stats available

D

19.6

5star

K

13.0

5star

HB

6.6

4star

M

4.6

5star

T

3.0

5star

or Chris Newman

Chris Newman

Age

43

Ht

183cm

Wt

81kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.9

4star

K

10.7

4star

HB

5.3

4star

M

4.5

4star

T

2.5

4star

MG

238.4

4star

No current season stats available

D

8.0

2star

K

4.8

2star

HB

3.2

3star

M

2.2

3star

T

1.8

4star

appointed as replacement. Longmire, Hinkley not interviewed. Simpson?
Head of football: Will sack Lloyd. Justin Leppitsch

Justin Leppitsch

Age

50

Ht

191cm

Wt

97kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.2

3star

K

8.3

3star

HB

3.9

3star

M

4.5

4star

T

1.2

3star

No current season stats available

D

8.2

2star

K

5.8

3star

HB

2.4

3star

M

0.6

1star

T

1.0

3star

or Jimmy Bartel take the role.
Recruitment: Will keep Austin. A revamp of other roles.
Assistants: Will be restructured with specialist strategy role created. Hansen, Hamill, Greaves, Russell under the pump. Expect a couple of changes.

List: McKay, Walsh, JSOS all play for Carlton next year. TDK leaves under free agency. Docherty, Fantasia retire. Elijah delisted. McGovern offered a base contract and explores his options. Motlop traded to WA. Other delistings of uncontracted list cloggers.
TDK compensation pick swapped for multiple late first round picks. Draft Dean and Ison in second/fourth round and trade for value picks like O’Halloran, Butler, Rosas who bring speed, skill mid-forward.

 

[DangerousD]

Everyone seems to have a view about Wright will do.

Here’s some predictions on football changes now it’s been confirmed he is taking over in August.

Coach: Will sack Voss. Scott Burns or Chris Newman appointed as replacement. Longmire, Hinkley not interviewed. Simpson?
Head of football: Will sack Lloyd. Justin Leppitsch or Jimmy Bartel take the role.
Recruitment: Will keep Austin. A revamp of other roles.
Assistants: Will be restructured with specialist strategy role created. Hansen, Hamill, Greaves, Russell under the pump. Expect a couple of changes.

List: McKay, Walsh, JSOS all play for Carlton next year. TDK leaves under free agency. Docherty, Fantasia retire. Elijah delisted. McGovern offered a base contract and explores his options. Motlop traded to WA. Other delistings of uncontracted list cloggers.
TDK compensation pick swapped for multiple late first round picks. Draft Dean and Ison in second/fourth round and trade for value picks like O’Halloran, Butler, Rosas who bring speed, skill mid-forward.

Is head of football a step up for Leppitsch or a step down?

 

[CrippaTheGoat9]

Everyone seems to have a view about Wright will do.

Here’s some predictions on football changes now it’s been confirmed he is taking over in August.

Coach: Will sack Voss. Scott Burns or Chris Newman appointed as replacement. Longmire, Hinkley not interviewed. Simpson?
Head of football: Will sack Lloyd. Justin Leppitsch or Jimmy Bartel take the role.
Recruitment: Will keep Austin. A revamp of other roles.
Assistants: Will be restructured with specialist strategy role created. Hansen, Hamill, Greaves, Russell under the pump. Expect a couple of changes.

List: McKay, Walsh, JSOS all play for Carlton next year. TDK leaves under free agency. Docherty, Fantasia retire. Elijah delisted. McGovern offered a base contract and explores his options. Motlop traded to WA. Other delistings of uncontracted list cloggers.
TDK compensation pick swapped for multiple late first round picks. Draft Dean and Ison in second/fourth round and trade for value picks like O’Halloran, Butler, Rosas who bring speed, skill mid-forward.

Why Burns or Newman?

 

[Pixelshooter]

I very much doubt Bartel would give up his media gigs for the HoF role with us.

 

[Wickzki]

I very much doubt Bartel would give up his media gigs for the HoF role with us.

It surprised me for similar reasons when non-Carlton extended family members told me about the link to Jimmy. However, since then other footy people have linked him to us and a couple of other teams. Jimmy is known to have very high levels of competitive drive so perhaps the ability to go in and take on that sort of challenge appeals to him.

It could also be that those talking to him don't want to give up all of his other commitments knowing how good he can be and believe he's smart enough to disconnect the various roles.

 

[Gointocarlton]

It surprised me for similar reasons when non-Carlton extended family members told me about the link to Jimmy. However, since then other footy people have linked him to us and a couple of other teams. Jimmy is known to have very high levels of competitive drive so perhaps the ability to go in and take on that sort of challenge appeals to him.

It could also be that those talking to him don't want to give up all of his other commitments knowing how good he can be and believe he's smart enough to disconnect the various roles.

Who ever influences the ultimate success most at Carlton will have a bronze statue marked in their honour outside PP.

 

[gbatman]

Agreed. All clubs would drool at the chance to have a forward 50 with Curnow and McKay in it. It is a luxury that we have but we do not use it well at all.

Add to that we have a generational fullback, and a Brownlow medalist in the middle together with one of the most promising young rucks in the game. Our spine should be premiership material.

If we can't build a team around that with competent well coached role players, and a competent coaching group with a modern game plan we should pack it up.

We have squandered a great opportunity unfortunately. However, we still do have a bit of time to turn it around with this core group, but we need to start getting it right from here. Losing any of Weitering, Curnow, or McKay would be a disaster. Losing TDK is bad enough, but at the same time it is not smart to pay him what St. Kilda is going to. If we can use that cap space to fill out with good role players (ie small forward and a quick midfielder) it can turn into a win for us.

We need to fix our coaching group too, to resemble some sort of modern gameplan tactics and standards. The win the clearance and then bomb it long down the line stuff is getting real old, and all the good teams have worked us out. We are not going anywhere till we are coached properly.

I think so.

Going forward we need to pick a coach who talks in terms of modern football, leg speed, disposal skills, run and carry, run down pressure. Speed and agility around the ball etc

We also need a coach who is real when it comes to our list. Don't want someone who is going to trade out a heap of the better players. Don't want a coach who thinks he can have an immediate impact either. Realistically we are 2-4 years away. Short rebuild. Keep most or all of our star players. Build around them.

We failed in the first attempt to build around our stars. Voss came in and added a lot of slow plodders to the side when we needed to add a heap of outside pace, risk takers and good kicks. The recruiting team didn't take much notice of kicking skills and pace and that is probably because they weren't being told to by the coach. No notice of the power and agility we need around the ball. Filled the list up with slow one paced accumulators.

Our spine is premiership material. Take Brisbane last season or Collingwood this season. Replce their spine with ours and if anything, those sides get better. We have injuries to our spine, most of our best 22 forwards are out and we have had to cut important yet injury prone players from our list.

Voss showed red flags from day dot. I can list a heap of them. Playing Ed Curnow who was cooked, slow as a wet week and couldn't kick over a jam tin while Dow who was playing with explosive pace and made us better when he cam in was left in the VFL. Going into a finals series and dropping Fisher who had become a 25 possession, running accurate kicking half back for Cincotta who could not run. Dropping Cuningham who was our best defensive half forward who could also run and kick for an expirement with Docherty. Dropping Owies who was one of our better goal kickers in that finals series. Who he selected in our last finals series.

All Voss's split decisions, when it comes to selection, when it comes to picking the skilled quicker player or the big bodied hard nut who can'r un or kick. He only ever goes one way, always picks the unskilled big body who can't run or kick over the quicker player. He's shown his view of the game and the game and the results have proven him wrong.

So it's important that we chose a coach who gets these things right and helps undo a lot of the damage and get us back on track because our list still has a lot of quality and we do have time.

I can tell you see it how I see it. We need to be cool headed but also bring change and someone who has the correct outlook for our list and for how the game is played now.

 

[Jimmae]

Voss showed red flags from day dot. I can list a heap of them. Playing Ed Curnow who was cooked, slow as a wet week and couldn't kick over a jam tin while Dow who was playing with explosive pace and made us better when he cam in was left in the VFL. Going into a finals series and dropping Fisher who had become a 25 possession, running accurate kicking half back for Cincotta who could not run. Dropping Cuningham who was our best defensive half forward who could also run and kick for an expirement with Docherty. Dropping Owies who was one of our better goal kickers in that finals series. Who he selected in our last finals series.

This is revisionist nonsense. Ed had every right to be in the side, but so did Dow, playing in vastly different roles.

Fisher was and remains crap in defence because he gets exploited by direct opponents. Bottom of the barrell football team in North, and he's barely played this year after being figured out in round 1. That was a great trade for us.

Fisher happily throws his body in at a stoppage, but avoids it like the plague in terms of aerial contests, and can't keep up on the outside so he just winds up being a seagull there. Was a terrible pick unless we had a system for a small clearance mid.

Penny has dropped for the North coaching staff too, who are back to the drawing board in terms of figuring out where to play him.

Cuningham just couldn't stay fit, but perhaps part of the issue earlier on was how we flog our players. He's now barely appearing for the Dogs in the VFL, and barely impacting on top of that.