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Ok so were not winning games, but the kids that we have coming through and picks that we might get in this years draft i think we might be better placed then wat most people think on essendon board. We all might disappionted about some of the older players and some of middle age players so why are we on knights back when we lose games. 02, 03, 04 drafts is were it has hurt the bombers and sheedy's trading in that time\. Knights is trying to fix bombers F--k up's in drafts from then, so 3 years of that time we want knights to fix everything in 8 month. For all those bombers fans on the Essendon board stating knights is shit do you really know anything about footy or when the bombers up and winning your footy know it all's, wen the team is down your just point the finger at who ever!!!!!!!!!!!11
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We were competative in the second half v richmond, against adelaide and for the first half against Hawthorn. We need to start playing complete games but considering the position were in at the moment, it's not as bad as it seems.

Had we not done some insipid recruiting in the drafts you highlighted, we could be in a lot better position than we are now.

Unfortunatly, thats the position were in but were taking the right steps to get back on track.
 
forever green said:
Ok so were not winning games, but the kids that we have coming through and picks that we might get in this years draft i think we might be better placed then wat most people think on essendon board. We all might disappionted about some of the older players and some of middle age players so why are we on knights back when we lose games. 02, 03, 04 drafts is were it has hurt the bombers and sheedy's trading in that time\. Knights is trying to fix bombers F--k up's in drafts from then, so 3 years of that time we want knights to fix everything in 8 month. For all those bombers fans on the Essendon board stating knights is shit do you really know anything about footy or when the bombers up and winning your footy know it all's, wen the team is down your just point the finger at who ever!!!!!!!!!!!11
TIME PEOPLE TIME
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at the end of last knights match that was the first time i have really had doubts about knights. i am willing to give him time as all essendon supporters should but his coaching efforts last night were nothing short of pathetic.

you cant give a player who will imo finish as the greatest forward of all time that sort of space. there was a few times where franklin was the only hawthorn player within 60 metres from goal. fact is with the chopping of the arms rule and the in the back rule that has been brought in you just cant do that. ryder must hate knights, he had little or no support from any essendon player last night and thats not the players fault thats knights fault. Now his answer to this would have been its a lesson for ryder but the fact is its not because in the future if the essendon coach has any brains ryder wouldnt be put in that position again.. the modern game requires having some members behind the ball when you have a player like franklin at FF.

and another complaint, why did bellchambers play at all? 25% game time? thats just ridiculous, why not just play another midfeilder and get a bit more run? you dont give a player his first game and give him less than 25% game time.

getting belted week in week out isnt a learning curve for the players
 

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Thing is, Bellchambers wasn't ready for his debut, with Laycock's injury he had to come in other wise we'd be a tall down in the backline with Ryder having to play in the ruck, which he hasn't been suited to in the past.
 
Blind Blink said:
Thing is, Bellchambers wasn't ready for his debut, with Laycock's injury he had to come in other wise we'd be a tall down in the backline with Ryder having to play in the ruck, which he hasn't been suited to in the past.
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why? hille played 83% of the game. why couldnt he just go the extra 17%?
he has done it before...

i know bellchambers wasnt ready thats why i was against him being brought into the seniors but if your going to play him at least give him a chance to show something. he wasnt given any chance
 
i think it is a complete fallacy that playing young players consistently now as opposed to rotating them through the VFL and the firsts is a good thing for those players now and the club going forward. This new fashioned notion that rebuilding clubs must play the kids now is very risky. The hawthorn template had a far greater resource pool than we will ever have. Ryder was not deserving of nine goals against him when Fletcher is easily better prepared to take that kind of stick if Franklin is trully on song.

THe damage that this can cause is tremendous given that Knights has put all our eggs in this basket and there is no proof that this group can achieve the prospects we want and also all teams are similarly focused upon as well.

The draft situation is the same for all clubs now with GC17 and prehaps if there is merit in this rebuilding programme, we are a year or two too late. Myers needs to bulk up and be given time to get his head around the jobs they are giving him now. I think it is fortunate that Gumby's injuries have spared him the deep end. Pears is physically mature but has he made the mental traisition. There is nothing wrong with bendigo as a grooming ground.

I would rather see JJ and Pev back to protect these guys and at least leave their experince on the park whilst thses kids do the time.
 
forever green said:
Ok so were not winning games, but the kids that we have coming through and picks that we might get in this years draft i think we might be better placed then wat most people think on essendon board. We all might disappionted about some of the older players and some of middle age players so why are we on knights back when we lose games. 02, 03, 04 drafts is were it has hurt the bombers and sheedy's trading in that time\. Knights is trying to fix bombers F--k up's in drafts from then, so 3 years of that time we want knights to fix everything in 8 month. For all those bombers fans on the Essendon board stating knights is shit do you really know anything about footy or when the bombers up and winning your footy know it all's, wen the team is down your just point the finger at who ever!!!!!!!!!!!11
TIME PEOPLE TIME
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Oh no, we are THAT bad. Believe me.
 
forever green said:
Ok so were not winning games, but the kids that we have coming through and picks that we might get in this years draft i think we might be better placed then wat most people think on essendon board. We all might disappionted about some of the older players and some of middle age players so why are we on knights back when we lose games. 02, 03, 04 drafts is were it has hurt the bombers and sheedy's trading in that time\. Knights is trying to fix bombers F--k up's in drafts from then, so 3 years of that time we want knights to fix everything in 8 month. For all those bombers fans on the Essendon board stating knights is shit do you really know anything about footy or when the bombers up and winning your footy know it all's, wen the team is down your just point the finger at who ever!!!!!!!!!!!11
TIME PEOPLE TIME
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I wouldn't stop at the '02 draft. Our drafting was a disgrace in '01, '00 and 99. Six years of shocking drafting is going to hurt you. That's the price we're paying at the moment.
 
exactly right in that Knights must be given time before we make wholesale changes to the way essendon is run. I believe Knights is doing the right things in playing the kids and giving them opportunities.
 
dapto said:
i think it is a complete fallacy that playing young players consistently now as opposed to rotating them through the VFL and the firsts is a good thing for those players now and the club going forward. This new fashioned notion that rebuilding clubs must play the kids now is very risky. The hawthorn template had a far greater resource pool than we will ever have. Ryder was not deserving of nine goals against him when Fletcher is easily better prepared to take that kind of stick if Franklin is trully on song.

THe damage that this can cause is tremendous given that Knights has put all our eggs in this basket and there is no proof that this group can achieve the prospects we want and also all teams are similarly focused upon as well.

The draft situation is the same for all clubs now with GC17 and prehaps if there is merit in this rebuilding programme, we are a year or two too late. Myers needs to bulk up and be given time to get his head around the jobs they are giving him now. I think it is fortunate that Gumby's injuries have spared him the deep end. Pears is physically mature but has he made the mental traisition. There is nothing wrong with bendigo as a grooming ground.

I would rather see JJ and Pev back to protect these guys and at least leave their experince on the park whilst thses kids do the time.
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Have you seen Myers. He has a body to rival men 5 years older than him. He has a more developed body than most non-KP players drafted last year or most years for that matter
 
Don't necessarily disagree that there is merit rotating the kids back through Bendigo, however if this isn't going to happen then at least when the door closes on 2008 we'll be able to look back and see we gave some of these kids a decent run at it at AFL level - they'll approach '09 preseason very clear about what is required.
 
Ryder was definitely hung out to dry, but it can't be easy to be a 20 year old key defender in a side leaking goals like we are at the moment. The Bulldogs have become a better defensive side this year due to their midfield pressure. This is an area where we suck at the moment. What I do like about our kids coming through though, is they look tough, gotta a bit of mongrel in them. Reimers, Lonergan, Monfries (he is a required player - plays with a lot of heart), Hislop, Myers, Houli (tough because he puts his body and head over the ball) could become a formidable and may be even feared unit in a couple of years. Much like the Hawks and Cats at the moment. We need patience and we also need to let Knights see what he can do. Replacing coaches continually doesn't help your team.
 

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Sigmund said:
Have you seen Myers. He has a body to rival men 5 years older than him. He has a more developed body than most non-KP players drafted last year or most years for that matter
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To rival average men perhaps...but not AFL footballers.

He still needs to put on some kg's and get some core strength going because he gets outmuscled in the stoppages.

On topic:

I think our lack of 4 quarter efforts make us look bad. When we are up and running, we can trouble most sides (Hawthorn first half) but as soon as we make a few mistakes, the confidence goes down, we don't chase hard enough and we end up getting pumped.
 
BacharHouli_43 said:
exactly right in that Knights must be given time before we make wholesale changes to the way essendon is run. I believe Knights is doing the right things in playing the kids and giving them opportunities.
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Doing everything right by playing the kids!! that is the only card knights has who else is there to play..not having a defensive game plan is not a great sign and his lack of spin keep's the media wolf's at the windy hill doorstep..

good performances or not our next best chance of winning a game is in round 22 against the blues. By that stage not even the boot cleaners will wont to hang around the club, I can handle losing but are we really unearthing players that are in the top bracket for there position!!

Stanton, our ruck stocks, the whole backline, and lack of midfield pace and pressure does not look good for the future no matter who is the coach
 
Merv Neagle said:
Just something to think about.

Essendon have for decades been slaughtered by power forwards.
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Which is why we got hold of Mal Michael. Why aren't we using him again? :p
Should have used David Hille on Franklin, I know he isn't a back.. but he matches him in Speed, Strength and Marking ability.
 

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Merv Neagle said:
Just something to think about.

Essendon have for decades been slaughtered by power forwards.
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Get CJ into the backline... rough them up a bit & keep the bastards honest. DGAF if he's not good enough to go with them, Paddy is & he still gets bags kicked on him under current "interpretations". Change of approach: take them on head-on.
 
Slattery_20 said:
Get CJ into the backline... rough them up a bit & keep the bastards honest. DGAF if he's not good enough to go with them, Paddy is & he still gets bags kicked on him under current "interpretations". Change of approach: take them on head-on.
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Courtney Johns is on the delist list along with Leroy Jetta how does he and Lovett-Murray get a game
 

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