What are the question marks over your team in 2022?

[Dewyyyyy]

Clarko never said anything alike as he was a fighter and always up for the battle. He was always bullish about how Hawthorn would perform in any given season. Conceding wasn’t in Clarko’s DNA, besides it’s irrelevant as Mitchell isn’t Clarko.


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You'd never hear Clarko say atleast the last two years that we'd push the 8 or being up there.

 

[Dewyyyyy]

Or he was being completely honest. He could have played the straight bat, but he didn’t.


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Mate, you think Coaches are just gonna go right out and say shit?

 

[Dewyyyyy]

Hawks are unfortunately stuck in no man’s land. A handful of promising youngsters, but simply not enough talent drafted at the really pointy end of the draft to develop into a flag quality team. They gave up the equivalent of around 3 x top-15 picks and Burton over a 3-year period for Mitchell, O’Meara and Wingard. Those guys are also taking up approx $2.2m of cap space.

So those guys plus a bunch of other quality senior players such as Shiels, McEvoy, Gunston, Breust, Sicily etc… will have the Hawks very competitive and maybe even a finals contender.

But as a general rule finals and ultimately flags are won by top-30 drafted talent and especially top-5 picks:

Melbourne: Petracca, Oliver, Lever, Jackson, Pickett, Salem, Viney, Brayshaw, Bowery, Sparrow

Richmond: Martin, Cotchin, Rance, Reiwoldt, Prestia, Lynch, Caddy, Bolton, Balta, Rioli, Edwards, Vlastuin

Hawks: Buddy, Lewis, Hodge, Rioli, Roughy, Burgoyne, Birchall, Smith, McEvoy

Eagles: sheed, Shuey, Redden, Hurn, Yeo, Kennedy, Duggan, Cripps, Masten, Jetta, Darling, Ryan, Lycett,

All top-30 picks or better.

Hawks have:

Impey
McEvoy (on his last legs)
O’Meara
Gunston (question marks on fitness)
Day (looks very good)
Grainger
Wingard
MacDonald and Butler (new draftees)

I’m sure I’ve missed a couple somewhere ….

So I just can’t see the high end talent or depth of top-30 draft picks to contend any time in the next 6-8 years.

Finishing top-4 after H&A in 2018 was a monumental effort from the Hawks but probably did them no favours from a list mgt point of view, as it provided false hope and meant starting a genuine rebuild/refresh probably 2-years later than they should have.

After 2018 they got rid of Burton and a top draft pick for Wingard. On the back of Mitchell and O’Meara it has really made their list build really tough and well behind other teams looking to contend.

In 3-4 years the Hawks midfield is what?: Ward, Bramble, Newcombe, Butler, MacDonald plus some more draftees.

North’s is : Horne-Francis, Simpkin, Philips, LDU, Powell, Thomas

Giants is: Kelly, Hopper, Taranto, Whitfield, Tom Green, Callaghan

So if Hawks don’t win a flag with JOM, Mitchell and Shiels, I’m not sure how they’ll compete with the star studded midfields of North and GWS to name a couple from 2025-2027 as they’ll have 2-3 years development on Hawks.

So then they are holding out for perhaps 2028 onwards…. which is when Ward, Butler, MacDonald and picks from 2022/23 will be hitting their prime. But if Hawks don’t really stockpile top-30 picks and hopefully a couple of top-5 picks in 2022/23 I think they could miss their opportunity. A half arsed rebuild like the Saints did recently will keep them in no man’s land for a long time.



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LOLLL

 

[Taylor Moss]

Always the same;

Injuries
Coaching

 

[Dewyyyyy]

Lol.

More than happy to put $$$ on Eagles finishing higher than the Hawks.

Who's the ruck at the Hawks again? Some Pies reject?

How old are Gunstan and Bruest?

Great points btw......

Gunston* and Breust. Both just turned 30 basically, Breust a year older and both better than most of your forwards.

Pies reject? you mean the same kid who beat Gawn lol and no it's not even him, it's Nedly.

 

[Trav 20]

Pies reject? you mean the same kid who beat Gawn lol and no it's not even him, it's Nedly.

It's fascinating to me that supporters of a club misrepresent the truth to try and make an opinion.

Lynch played well against Gawn, who can't be up every week, especially against new opponents. But to say he ''beat'' him ?

Gawn was the highest rated Melbourne player that day. Granted that means SFA.

Gawn had 19 disposals, 8 marks, 20 hitouts, 5 tackles, a goal and 119 rating points.

Lynch had 15 disposals, 3 marks, 23 hitouts, 1 tackle, no goals and 68 ratings points.

Lynch played really well and Gawn was very average, but stop with the hyperbole as though Lynch had some masterclass that he didn't.

 

[Dewyyyyy]

It's fascinating to me that supporters of a club misrepresent the truth to try and make an opinion.

Lynch played well against Gawn, who can't be up every week, especially against new opponents. But to say he ''beat'' him ?

Gawn was the highest rated Melbourne player that day. Granted that means SFA.

Gawn had 19 disposals, 8 marks, 20 hitouts, 5 tackles, a goal and 119 rating points.

Lynch had 15 disposals, 3 marks, 23 hitouts, 1 tackle, no goals and 68 ratings points.

Lynch played really well and Gawn was very average, but stop with the hyperbole as though Lynch had some masterclass that he didn't.

He was awesome in the centre bounce and basically nullified Gawn, disposals were similar, marks obviously is a very big strong suit of Gawn, tackles aswell. But by beat, i mean in the ruck at the centre bounce and around the stoppages.

Like i'd say Reeves nullified Gawn in our draw, kept him down around the ground and he didn't dominate in the middle.

 

[Nutjob]

You'd never hear Clarko say atleast the last two years that we'd push the 8 or being up there.

I never suggested Mitchell should declare finals for this year or anything close to that. But if Mitchell has the same confidence that you and all your mates have, I’m sure he could have shown a bit more optimism than ‘I have no idea’ how we will go.


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[Strapping Young Lad]

… if Mitchell has the same confidence that you and all your mates have, I’m sure he could have shown a bit more optimism than ‘I have no idea’ how we will go.


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He did not say that.

 

[the big lebowski]

North - what is plan B with KPD?

If Mckay goes down for an extended period we are stuffed.

 

[Dewyyyyy]

I never suggested Mitchell should declare finals for this year or anything close to that. But if Mitchell has the same confidence that you and all your mates have, I’m sure he could have shown a bit more optimism than ‘I have no idea’ how we will go.


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Well he didn't just say "i have no idea" ROFL

 

[Nutjob]

Mate, you think Coaches are just gonna go right out and say sh*t?

They often do, what rock have you been hiding under? As an example plenty of coaches in recent years have declared finals when finishing the previous year outside the top 8. Buckley, Hinkley, Goodwin to name a few have all done this in previous years.

At early stages of the Brisbane rebuild Fagan would expect improvement from Brisbane year to year, which again is expectation.

I wouldn’t expect Mitchell to do either of the above because honestly he has no idea what’s ahead himself. As I said previously he is a first year coach, with a different game plan, rebuilding a team with youth. How you and other hawthorn posters have so much confidence is beyond me.


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[Dewyyyyy]

They often do, what rock have you been hiding under? As an example plenty of coaches in recent years have declared finals when finishing the previous year outside the top 8. Buckley, Hinkley, Goodwin to name a few have all done this in previous years.

At early stages of the Brisbane rebuild Fagan would expect improvement from Brisbane year to year, which again is expectation.

I wouldn’t expect Mitchell to do either of the above because honestly he has no idea what’s ahead himself. As I said previously he is a first year coach, with a different game plan, rebuilding a team with youth. How you and other hawthorn posters have so much confidence is beyond me.


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There's absolutely 0 need for a coach to be honest or to answer in depth. He said it in a great way, he didn't say anything, gave away nothing.

 

[burge13]

Other than our forward line, ruckmen, midfield other than Laird/Keays and most defenders i think we'll be ok

 

[Grand Uncle Horace]

This thread has become a contest of the insecurities experienced by Crows and Hawks supporters.

 

[BIGHAWK23]

You fall off a cliff after that.


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Well no, but you can think that

 

[Nutjob]

Well no, but you can think that

Who is your second best mid? O’meara? He is a B grader playing with a bung knee.


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[BIGHAWK23]

Who is your second best mid? O’meara? He is a B grader playing with a bung knee.


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Cool, hasnt missed a game for a knee injury in 2 years

Who is your best mid?

A delisted Gold Coast Mid?

 

[Nutjob]

There's absolutely 0 need for a coach to be honest or to answer in depth. He said it in a great way, he didn't say anything, gave away nothing.

Yeah I wouldn’t forecast any predictions if I had no idea how the team was going to perform either.


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[Dewyyyyy]

Yeah I wouldn’t forecast any predictions if I had no idea how the team was going to perform either.


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Mate.. You just didn't watch it properly..

 

[Obeanie1]

Gunston* and Breust. Both just turned 30 basically, Breust a year older and both better than most of your forwards.

Pies reject? you mean the same kid who beat Gawn lol and no it's not even him, it's Nedly.

30 and 31 actually.

Gunstan with back pro blend that kept him out for all of 2021......THAT Gunston?

I'm more than happy with Darling, Fly in Ryan, Oscar Allen, Rioli and Waterman coming through.

But continue on in your little fantasy world. It's funny to read about.

 

[Dewyyyyy]

30 and 31 actually.

Gunstan with back pro blend that kept him out for all of 2021......THAT Gunston?

I'm more than happy with Darling, Fly in Ryan, Oscar Allen, Rioli and Waterman coming through.

But continue on in y o it fantasy world. It's funny to read about.

Gunston* please it hurts reading it.

30 and 31 is "just turned 30, they are 30 year olds who've only been 30 for a little while. Gunston was injured for 2021 yes but he's still absolute class, moving very well in the pre season so far so i'd back him, it's iffy with him ig but last time he played he was 3rd in the Coleman and one of the better forwards in the comp, he was the best third tall.

Breust has rarely missed a game and i love how you didn't mention him, he's a star.

Darling is good but old, Ryan is great love him but has been inconsistent atleast last year.
Allen looks super talented, Rioli just coming back from a big break but is talented (still a little on the older side being mid to late 20s.) and Waterman lol.

 

[Obeanie1]

Gunston* please it hurts reading it.

30 and 31 is "just turned 30, they are 30 year olds who've only been 30 for a little while. Gunston was injured for 2021 yes but he's still absolute class, moving very well in the pre season so far so i'd back him, it's iffy with him ig but last time he played he was 3rd in the Coleman and one of the better forwards in the comp, he was the best third tall.

Breust has rarely missed a game and i love how you didn't mention him, he's a star.

Darling is good but old, Ryan is great love him but has been inconsistent atleast last year.
Allen looks super talented, Rioli just coming back from a big break but is talented (still a little on the older side being mid to late 20s.) and Waterman lol.

Darling is 28. That's two years younger than your best forwards.

 

[BIGHAWK23]

Darling is 28. That's two years younger than your best forwards.

And hasnt accomplished anything near those two

And will be done in 2 years

 

[spudmaster]

The question mark over us is do we get the double chance or simply a home elimination final?