What are we doing?

[Richmond 2014]

we have a side with run such as Deledio Tambling McMahon Newman, Foley, Cotchin and white but yet we are still over possesing the footy and not kicking it to contests, instead we let our skill erorrs contradict how we play football by trying to link players.

Brett Deledio is our biggest problem he does take players on but the runs other players in to trouble by doing silly handballs. What we need to do is either kick long to even contests or push wide to leads from small forwards.

Brett deledio, Nathan Foley, Jordan McMahon are all in our top 5 handballers. these players are our outside midfielders suppost to run and carry and kick long inside 50.

its either Terry's fault or the playes but something needs to change at Richmond. This is what causing errors at richmond poor disposal now every side has bad kicking days but we are trying to handball our way into trouble. 60% of Adledaide goals were caused by Richmond turnover and from what i saw it was when Richmond tried to run out of the backline with quickhandballs instead of pushin wide our kicking long to even contests.

 

[richcogs]

Deledio is in the top 2 for handballs in the league, he loves it!

 

[telsor]

Brett deledio, Nathan Foley, Jordan McMahon are all in our top 5 handballers. these players are our outside midfielders suppost to run and carry and kick long inside 50.

 

[RichosGuns]

Overpossesing the football with alot of handpasses comes with a lack of confidence I reckon. A lack of confidence in a player's own skill to kick it long and find a target AND a lack of confiedence in the foward's ability to mark it.

Btw, I don't really mind when players like Tuck and Foley get a bunch of handball's because they are constantly in and under, it's the guys like Deledio, Tambling etc. What really grates on me, is that these guys have great foot skills they are just not conifedent within themselves. Just look at Natha Brown, a very confident player who uses the ball by foot alot more by hand because he fancies himself.

 

[CoggaRules]

we have a side with run such as Deledio Tambling McMahon Newman, Foley, Cotchin and white but yet we are still over possesing the footy and not kicking it to contests, instead we let our skill erorrs contradict how we play football by trying to link players.

Brett Deledio is our biggest problem he does take players on but the runs other players in to trouble by doing silly handballs. What we need to do is either kick long to even contests or push wide to leads from small forwards.

Brett deledio, Nathan Foley, Jordan McMahon are all in our top 5 handballers. these players are our outside midfielders suppost to run and carry and kick long inside 50.

its either Terry's fault or the playes but something needs to change at Richmond. This is what causing errors at richmond poor disposal now every side has bad kicking days but we are trying to handball our way into trouble. 60% of Adledaide goals were caused by Richmond turnover and from what i saw it was when Richmond tried to run out of the backline with quickhandballs instead of pushin wide our kicking long to even contests.

we have no structure in the FL because we havent the players to implement one, or we havent the coaching staff to develop one. Take a look at the top sides, their forwards go on a lead before the ball is even in the hands of the deliverer. This is what we dont do...our forwards more often than not, wait until its in the hands of the deliverer, when 40,000 fans, let alone his direct opponent, ontop of those who are covering the space, know where its going to go. We need to get our Forwards moving before anyone knows.... this is why i have grave concerns at who the ____ is the one with the plans.....they know JS.
Lids is a prime example, he gets it and within a split second looks up, to nothing, had he a leading forward who had gone on the lead, a second or two before Lids even got it in his hands, Lids would put it on a platter for him.

I mean what ____ing harm could it do if a one or two of our forwards went on leads before we had possesion? i.e we get possesion, job ____ing done, we dont, who gives a flying ____, the ball aint gunna get there, so start ____ing coaching TW.

Ontop of all that, do we have any set plays where we have players in spots in the FL, that our leading forwardds use as foils? Like say a Pettifer(sheeeeeeesh) stands say at 30 on an angle, Richo ambles up, then leads into the direction where his opponent has to change direction because of Petifer? nup, jade ____ing rawlings? how much does this fool get paid"?

 

[telsor]

Overpossesing the football with alot of handpasses comes with a lack of confidence I reckon. A lack of confidence in a player's own skill to kick it long and find a target AND a lack of confiedence in the foward's ability to mark it.

Btw, I don't really mind when players like Tuck and Foley get a bunch of handball's because they are constantly in and under, it's the guys like Deledio, Tambling etc. What really grates on me, is that these guys have great foot skills they are just not conifedent within themselves. Just look at Natha Brown, a very confident player who uses the ball by foot alot more by hand because he fancies himself.

Lack of confidence in teammates more likely.

They *should* move it fast, either to a teammate on their own or to a contest where we have the advantage ( and dispose of it so it advantages our player ).

 

[Roachy8]

Overpossesing the football with alot of handpasses comes with a lack of confidence I reckon. A lack of confidence in a player's own skill to kick it long and find a target AND a lack of confiedence in the foward's ability to mark it.

Btw, I don't really mind when players like Tuck and Foley get a bunch of handball's because they are constantly in and under, it's the guys like Deledio, Tambling etc. What really grates on me, is that these guys have great foot skills they are just not conifedent within themselves. Just look at Natha Brown, a very confident player who uses the ball by foot alot more by hand because he fancies himself.

Perhaps not just a lack of confidence but also I regret to say a lack of structure in the forward line to provide a target.

Richo in his prime is great at providing a strong marking target but as we know, when we don't at least "feign" an alternative, the defence pretty quickly works it out and triple teams him.
Earlier this year... Richo on the wing not only freed him up but created the space for the others to lead in to.

God I know I am simply repeating this weeks BiG Footy Tiger mantra (sorry Khan), but play the right team with the right structure... have some patience to let them find their mojo & then see what might happen with our mid-fielders and their delivery!

 

[Goldust]

THIS applies equally to other teams as it does our own.....there is nothing technically wrong with handball. If we were getting 55% or even 60% handballs to 45?or 40% kicking and moving the ball effectively, there isn't a problem.
It all begins with the first handball and it being to advantage.
Our problem is execution of skills. Too often through poor decision making or poor execution the first handball puts a teammate under pressure, who is then forced in to getting rid of the ball as quickly as possible, usually to our disadvantage.
Watched Geelong on Friday night...they often put together six or seven handballs, but in contrast to us the handballs hit their mark. We exceute poorly, miss a target and then try to continually mop up!
Put simply, hit targets and we will move the ball freely!

 

[tony_montana]

we have a side with run such as Deledio Tambling McMahon Newman, Foley, Cotchin and white but yet we are still over possesing the footy and not kicking it to contests, instead we let our skill erorrs contradict how we play football by trying to link players.

Brett Deledio is our biggest problem he does take players on but the runs other players in to trouble by doing silly handballs. What we need to do is either kick long to even contests or push wide to leads from small forwards.

Brett deledio, Nathan Foley, Jordan McMahon are all in our top 5 handballers. these players are our outside midfielders suppost to run and carry and kick long inside 50.

its either Terry's fault or the playes but something needs to change at Richmond. This is what causing errors at richmond poor disposal now every side has bad kicking days but we are trying to handball our way into trouble. 60% of Adledaide goals were caused by Richmond turnover and from what i saw it was when Richmond tried to run out of the backline with quickhandballs instead of pushin wide our kicking long to even contests.

very good post

it shows that opposition teams know who they want in our side handballing as opposed to kicking. Fact is teams will alow certain players get the ball as much as they want in certain positions bc it hurts the overall structure of the team. Teams used to do it to us all the time in the past by allowing Gas and Kellaway to always bring the ball out of defence by foot.

Now they know the above mentioned are our key distributors by foot so they make sure they are allowed to get the ball in situations where they would prefer. ie Lids/Foley handballing it 15-20 times a game as opposed to running and kicking it 65.

so what are we going to do about it?

We have to setup a firm structure in the side which doesnt allow this to happen (look at collingwood and the way they utilise Thomas) ....its obvious with this being pointed out that we get dictated to each week. Bring in players and build a structure bc our team has always been bereft of it. Look at Collingwood and what a set structure can do to a workmanlike and very young side

 

[Parabola]

There was a time when the more you got the ball inside 50, the more chance you had of winning. Pretty sure that still applies today.
I think the team is being over coached. They're obviously confused. Back to basics I say.

 

[Croat tiger]

Deledio is in the top 2 for handballs in the league, he loves it!

He should be kicking it long stuff the handball.

 

[Heisenberg_]

He should be kicking it long stuff the handball.

I would much rather he kicked the ball and had 10 less touches rather then handball it to some spud who is about half the kick he is.
It annoys me so much, infuriating stuff