What Carlton needs

[Just Kreuzing]

We won the flag mate you need those guys that complete your team. What team doesn't have those players? As i said before they give you depth, you dont just have a team full of superstars.

So what are you saying mate! I agree with you that you need those players and you need depth and yeah we won the flag everyone knows all that mate i am simply commenting on why and how i thought Kernahan and Spalding were great focal points who greatly assisted in not just Clape and pearce to have positive impact but a few others as well, The thread is about what we think Carlton needs and i am giving my opinion and in no way underselling Clape's or Pearce's role or performance in that year, just emphasising how important and valueable Kernahan and Spalding were, If you dont agree with that assessment then thats fine mate but dont come on here saying things to me like "did you watch" or "you need those players for depth" etc because we all know that and clearly shows you didnt understand the point i was trying to make, happy to discuss the thread otherwise and the reasons behind our style of play.

 

[blues4flag]

He is indigenous?

Pretty surer his grandfather (I believe on his father's side) is indigenous.

As for Wojinski, correct me if I'm wrong, but he's not exactly the best kick of the football. I'd love to have someone like Heath Shaw - helps his defenders superbly, has excellent skills and sets up the play very well with his run out of defence.

 

[The Coach]

Totally agree with OP, as I have highlighted in several threads we are not handballing and running enough and the half backs have become more important than CHF nowadays (why CHF's are starting to become wingers). Someone in the mould of that old marvel Andrew McLeod - runs through the lines and delivers but players like him - in Juddy's class, are once in an era players so I would be more than happy to settle for someone in the Wojcinski/Gram class. Apart from Juddy our players would never think of running as fast as they can like Wojcinski does, unless they are chasing someone - why is that? David Rodan has found the confidence to do it and I am thinking confidence/coaching encouragement might be the key.
I really think the Bumbers are on the right track with their concentration on pace (unfortunately their hammies have not be conditioned for it). I am hoping that with experience Bower's runs will include him knowing what he is going to do with it. Overall we have too many lopers, some like Carrots have to in order to deliver. We really do miss the run of the Walker but he can suffer from Carrots disease too.
Isn't Gibbsy capable of being the equal of Heath Shaw - how fast is Gibbsy if he went for it? I hope his last game was a sign that he has the confidence in himself that we all have in him but it is only his second year and perhaps like Cooney, he may take a couple to become a match winner. It is truly amazing what Cyril Rioli (and the Kreuzer) has done in his first few games. The Eagles fans are raving (somewhat prematurely) about what Ben Mckinley has done in his three games and it took him till his third year to get his second game (that may have been a mistake by The Eagles)

 

[one eyed bluey]

I think the most important thing Carlton need is TIME.
Time to get another year of games under some of your exiting players belts and a year under Ratten will be beneficial as well.

Having said that, Im tipping you to flog the Crows this week

yeah agree with the crows muppet here....think we just have to patient and let the cattle we have will grow with time, we're definately on the right track.

Everyone has made great points to what we need and i agree.

We need:
- More Aboriginal talent in the team,
- Genuine CHF so we have more options other then fev and fisher.
- Quality HBF, quarterback role player
- A dynamic/game breaker medium forward...in the dikak, thomas mould

So a few more pieces of the puzzel still needed yet....but we're not far off, few more drafts, more growth from our youngster, more time with ratt's gameplan and we'll get there


At least we have finally solved our ruck issues!

 

[Artie Bucco]

yeah agree with the crows muppet here....think we just have to patient and let the cattle we have will grow with time, we're definately on the right track.

Everyone has made great points to what we need and i agree.

We need:
- More Aboriginal talent in the team,
- Genuine CHF so we have more options other then fev and fisher.
- Quality HBF, quarterback role player
- A dynamic/game breaker medium forward...in the dikak, thomas mould

So a few more pieces of the puzzel still needed yet....but we're not far off, few more drafts, more growth from our youngster, more time with ratt's gameplan and we'll get there


At least we have finally solved our ruck issues!

Yeah puts things into perspective doesn't it.

Apart from us lacking skill at this stage to contend for a premiership we still need 3/4 points you raised to be challenging for one.

We are three years off IMO.

2008: 8-10 wins 12-10th
2009: 5-8th
2010: top four
2011: Premiership here we come

 

[BrizzyBlue]

He is indigenous?

His father Rob Walker, regularly posts on Talking Carlton and Carlton Supporters Club. He referred to himself as a Koori in one post a couple of years ago.

 

[len_jet]

I was taking the piss. I see Bower developing into a very attacking half-back flanker, and possibly even someone like Grigg... Anyway do you really care or just wanted another anti-Thornton thread?

spot on Totti... that is all wdgann wants... as many anti-thornton threads as possible on Bigfooty... his theory is if he continues to bad mouth him the Carlton people will see past his vital existance of our defence and trade him off for peanuts so we can be laughed at when he becomes a premiership player at another club...

Thrawn summed up wdgann AND TerryWallet's personal vendettas beautifully here... http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10782324&postcount=134

Our backline is working very very well. Comparing two eras of football is plain stupid... why not compare it to the comeback kings of the 1970's grand final? you cant... back in 1995 we still had footballers playing our game... today we have athletes. The game is 10 times faster that it was back in the 90's and none of the players in the era would survive long today, i mean look at the death of the big burly full forward now-a-days it takes a bloke of the ilk of fevola and buddy to kick bags because of their speed and agility... (fev is agile, and a lot more agile than the dunstalls and locketts of yesteryear)

The other thing to consider this is the first year that we have settled our backline... we hav managed to string 5 games in a row with the same back 6 and it is beginning to pay dividends... but they are still young... i mean bower and jammo barely make it into the teens for collective game totals!

Bower is developing his run/take them on game well, he is still a little indecisive and butchers the ball some times but we are persisting with him and gradually he will come good... He and Waite are your men wdgann, they both play your role of taking on the man... Thornton is our quarterback, he is a our general in the backline, he shuts down his man while acting as the third man up to give guys like Jammo a chop out. He switches the play in a bid to try and counter the flood by using the fat side of the ground. He takes some solid pack grabs and his long and short kicking is impeccable...

Once again your attempts at bashing thornton has not gone un noticed... and never will, no matter how much you sugar coat it...

get over your personal vendetta against the bloke he is here to stay and he is a vital cog... re read thrawns comment and take a good hard look at yourself!

 

[ericpascoe]

We are too reliant on Fev up forward. I think our key priorities are a genuine CHF (ala Riewoldt), and a genuine goal kicking half forward (Steve Johnson or Aker type). A top notch run with player would be handy too

 

[Big Red is back]

When you look at the modern game and the good teams, the best teams have great half back flankers. I couldn't help notice during the Melbourne game that if we weren't quick at getting the ball out of defence, Melbourne would flood and we would chip the ball around and not get anywhere

I note as well that the Carlton of 1995 had players like Ang and Hanna that would run through the lines and kick up to 5 girls per game from the half back flank. Look at Geelong with Woginski and Scarlett from deeper in defence. McLeod at Adelaide does it and Port has a number of guys that do it

WE desparately need a Woginski that can take the ball and run through lines and deliver onto the chest of Fevola et al. Aside from Walker (who can't really kick on the run), we don't have a player with the necessary strength

This is our key deficiency!

The blues only short coming is experience at this stage I would suggest finals this year are not out of the question but in 2009 they are almost certain

 

[gandaal]

1. Goal kicking forward (plays like: Steve Johnson)- We have one but we need another to take some of the attention away from Fev.
2. Pacey midfielder (Plays like: Alwyn Davey)- We need someone in the midfield who's keen enough to apply defensive pressure through the midfield, and quick enough to chase down the quicker midfielders in the game
3. Ball winning tagger: (Plays like: Kane Cornes)- We need a tagger who can shut down the oppositions best mids, but also gets plenty of the ball going the other way.

 

[Damp Squarie]

yeah agree with the crows muppet here....think we just have to patient and let the cattle we have will grow with time, we're definately on the right track.

Hey...enough with the muppet jokes

The unfortunate thing about the speed of time is that it is one second per second ...you cant rush it.

 

[thylacine60]

Hey...enough with the muppet jokes

The unfortunate thing about the speed of time is that it is one second per second ...you cant rush it.

Surely you mean one game at a time?

And apologies for calling you Shirley.

 

[The Grover]

What we really need is a couple of electrifying half-forwards in the mould of a Didak, or Rioli who can kick goals. This would not only ease the pressue on Fev but also provide a lot of forward line pressure.

We also need a few more indigenous players with flair. Why haven't we recruited this this type of player in the past? Before you jump down my throat, yes I am aware we have Betts and Walker but, in my opinion we have deliberately ignored this type of talent. Look at Essendon and the Kangaroos in particular last weekend.

I agree & depending on what draft pick we get this year there is a WA indigenous kid surname Yarran, is playing WAFL & has kicked some bags of goals.

Typical exciting aboriginal player with good pace & skills, can play half-forward or midfield.

Other posters have also nominated CHF as a weakness, Hurley from knights is a prime candidate for this role.

If we finish bottom 5 we should snag 1 of these kids provided they keep performing.

 

[Matt72]

Yeah puts things into perspective doesn't it.

Apart from us lacking skill at this stage to contend for a premiership we still need 3/4 points you raised to be challenging for one.

We are three years off IMO.

2008: 8-10 wins 12-10th
2009: 5-8th
2010: top four
2011: Premiership here we come

Darryl Kerrigan just called and he said,"Tell him he's dreaming!"

 

[thylacine60]

Darryl Kerrigan just called and he said,"Tell him he's dreaming!"

Well you tell Darryl to get them gates round the back.