He's being managed, it has nothing to do with form. Remember that Myers has probably not played five games in a row in his career. He has played half a season now.
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He's being managed, it has nothing to do with form. Remember that Myers has probably not played five games in a row in his career. He has played half a season now.
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Maybe so. But you can't deny he has looked better coming on as a sub than starting on the ground.
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Not necessarily. I think his Geelong game showed that he can have a huge impact starting on the ground, and that he can play a similar role to Watson - be a good ball winner and clearance player, whilst going forward and kicking goals at times. Obviously he isn't on the same level as Watson, but he just turned 24 today.
We got ourselves back in the game by instructing the players to play on at all costs and, where possible, to do it through the middle of the ground. Before that point I didn't think that the players were poor we were just caught in the Eagles half of the ground flooding back in an attempt to withstand the pressure (without the players in position to counterattack). I am not convinced that our defensive efforts were overly effective and think it would be wiser to say that it was the Eagles' inaccuracy that kept us in the game more than any tactical masterstroke (this is not to downplay the ******* outstanding mental strength developing in the group that keeps us in any contest)
The play on at all costs mentality is so significant because it doesn't allow the Eagles the time required to set up the zone that prevents us from counter attacking. So, breaking even in the midfield battle and upsetting the West Coast forward zone we are then in a better position to play the game on our terms (before this we could get the ball to our half forward line but it would just come straight back).
Even then, without a half forward-line we don't have the conduits required to get the ball deep into our territory from which point we can get our players back into our half of the ground, on mass, to set up a zone/press to lock the ball in our half of the ground.
I am not sure that we can continue to rely on flicking the switch to "play on" mode to get us out of trouble that we were in against West Coast and Carlton for a few reasons.
Even when it works we are still going to turn the ball over and the really good sides like Sydney and Geelong will continue to shred us on their own counter attacks because, until Gumby and Daniher start controlling territory between the logos and our 50m, we can't keep control of the ball enough to take a more measured approach which is required when our deep forwards are absent or are significantly outnumbered.
The other thing is that "play on" mode probably needs a break and instruction from the coaches. I'd be much happier if when we are under that extreme pressure we were to control the pace of the game and take a more measured approach to transfer the game into our half (which is probably done by hitting 2 to 3 targets through the middle of the ground - the players should almost always include one of JD/Gumby and Crameri).
Ultimately we need to get a balance of the games of Geelong and Hawthorn/Freo.
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If crameri got the 10 free kicks for arm chopping and tackling without the ball we would have been 10 goals better off. Our forward line was dysfunctional but shit we get no assistance from the maggots. The umpires dragged them back into the game during our great start, the crowd lifted so the cocaine obviously hit in and the WC players lifted with them. In reality we have gone into our shells a few times this year and that was one of them but the good thing is most times we have made slight adjustments and its all worked out AOK. I would love to see any team who is under the scrutiny and pressure the biys have been under peform to this level. Look at Melbourne they have crumbled we are standing strong
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Good points.
Apparently we're the number 1 play-on-from-marks team in the comp. Hard to argue with when we're 10 and 3, but at the same time I agree - we're no Geelong and while we have a quality list, we don't have that ultra-sublime level of skill that they've enjoyed in their recent golden period.
It isn't just the skill. Against Geelong in particular we ended up kicking the ball to forwards who were outnumbered and generally not able to compete in the air. We need the guys like Crameri, Gumbleton and Daniher there to compete in the air and to feed the smalls so that the opposition can't just win possession straight back and counter attack.
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True to a certain extent, but you rely on guys like that because the skill to put it out in front is limited. Geelong do it very well because they are top kicks. We are not at that level but could get away with playing on every time if we were able to put it out in front of most leading forwards.
For weeks now I've been frustrated by the way Hurls runs under the ball when on the lead, this issue defiantly needs to be addressed. Not sure if Fletch coming back will effect this but Hurls to the back line this week for me.
m7jebus
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A factor with Hurley, I think anyway, is that he seems to be putting an awful lot of pressure on himself to make that CHF role his own... there are games where he looks so tense and strained, like he's trying almost too hard and overthinking every technical aspect, which simply isn't good for a footballer. When he's back he looks calm and instinctive by comparison. Everyone knows what he can do forward when he gets it right, but his future is almost definitely in defence (probably alongside Carlisle) and I'm convinced it's just a matter of time before he's starting back there again.
Thought we were pretty average for most of the game in the clearances.. Priddis dominated at one stage of the game you knew he was going to get the pill and clear it... I think hocking is the obvious change adds alot of defense and always fights tooth and nail to stop a clearance...
The other thing I noticed was our clearances and efficiency... so many times we get the ball in our hands but someone like stanton and even watson at times just bomb it so high and it barely makes the 50 rebounds the other way and they kick a goal.
The other thing I noticed was our clearances and efficiency... so many times we get the ball in our hands but someone like stanton and even watson at times just bomb it so high and it barely makes the 50 rebounds the other way and they kick a goal.
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In the first quarter especially when we were 4 goals up, we just could not clear it off their half forward line for the rest of the quarter. (although there were 5 free kicks given to them to help keep it there.)
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We had the fumbles pretty bad all game. Made a huge difference i think.
It is a concern though that with all their quality outs, they still probably should have won. I agree that we seemed to be severely effected by the loss of Hocking, the poor form of Howlet and Myers being sub. We lacked "crunch" at the contests. Add to that the forward line looks terrible without JD or Carlisle. At least that issue is easily solved!
It is a concern though that with all their quality outs, they still probably should have won. I agree that we seemed to be severely effected by the loss of Hocking, the poor form of Howlet and Myers being sub. We lacked "crunch" at the contests. Add to that the forward line looks terrible without JD or Carlisle. At least that issue is easily solved!
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We have been pretty ordinary all year with our clearance conversion rate.
Our I50's have been disappointing lately, not exactly news to all, but it's something that needs to be addressed quickly, we may be able to get away with it with the next few games but the run home starting R18 we won't be so lucky.
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CONSENSUS: Both Hurley and Carlisle belong down back.
For the remainder of this season however, one at each end is a reasonable approach.
Nonetheless, given we have both Daniher and Gumbleton at our disposal, beginning in 2014 there should exist no need for either Hurley or Carlisle to play up forward.
As a result of the short-term approach (one of Hurley/Carlisle at each end) however, for the remainder of 2013 we can really only have one of either Daniher or Gumbleton in the team at a time.
Daniher is probably the preferred option, but given that we are at risk of losing Gumbleton in the off-season, him playing ahead of Daniher is the smarter move.
Indeed, it is paramount that we retain Gumbleton.
For long-term, this will produce bi-polar brilliance, with Hurley, Carlisle and Hooker the three pillars of our unbreakable defence and Crameri, Daniher and Gumbleton our unstoppable forward-line equivalent.
For the remainder of this season however, one at each end is a reasonable approach.
Nonetheless, given we have both Daniher and Gumbleton at our disposal, beginning in 2014 there should exist no need for either Hurley or Carlisle to play up forward.
As a result of the short-term approach (one of Hurley/Carlisle at each end) however, for the remainder of 2013 we can really only have one of either Daniher or Gumbleton in the team at a time.
Daniher is probably the preferred option, but given that we are at risk of losing Gumbleton in the off-season, him playing ahead of Daniher is the smarter move.
Indeed, it is paramount that we retain Gumbleton.
For long-term, this will produce bi-polar brilliance, with Hurley, Carlisle and Hooker the three pillars of our unbreakable defence and Crameri, Daniher and Gumbleton our unstoppable forward-line equivalent.
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I agree with this a lot!
In first few games this year he did well because he worked and worked and attacked the contest with all his might.
I agree that he's over thinking it.
Personally I would like both Hurley and Carlisle down back and occasionally swing one of them forward.
The big worry is if Hurley has put so much pressure on himself that playing as a defender will feel like failure to him.
I reckon it will take Hird a good 18 months to admit he has it wrong. By that stage we'll need to trade Gumby back into the side.
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ProfessorGaz
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I agree with this a lot!
In first few games this year he did well because he worked and worked and attacked the contest with all his might.
I agree that he's over thinking it.
Personally I would like both Hurley and Carlisle down back and occasionally swing one of them forward.
The big worry is if Hurley has put so much pressure on himself that playing as a defender will feel like failure to him.
