What Shane Tuck Does - 2012 Thread

[nut]

Tigers fans can't help but get excited about the midfield.

Trent Cotchin, 21, Dustin Martin, 20, Brett Deledio, 24, and Nathan Foley, 26, are a handy quartet, with the likes of Reece Conca, Daniel Jackson, Shane Tuck and Shaun Grigg running through.

"We feel like we are pretty strong in that area and hopefully those guys can keep developing," Newman said.

"They're only a really young midfield group. And with Tucky going through there he can add a bit of maturity.

"Tucky's form has been outstanding and all his fitness tests suggest that he's still got a lot of run in his legs. He can still provide us with that grunt and clearance ability - he's going to be vitally important to our structure this year."

So suddenly he is Vital to our structure????? We now suddenly realise his importance???

I would have liked Tuck play moe last season.... it's good that our club have reaslised the huge mistake they have made...

 

[tugga]

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So suddenly he is Vital to our structure????? We now suddenly realise his importance???

I would have liked Tuck play moe last season.... it's good that our club have reaslised the huge mistake they have made...

Mistakes happen every day in all walks of life.
I will put my hand up and admit I made one with Tuck. The fact is, he is important to our structure. I got it wrong.

 

[CoggaRules]

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Mistakes happen every day in all walks of life.
I will put my hand up and admit I made one with Tuck. The fact is, he is important to our structure. I got it wrong.

Dont spit it yet dude. He is important to our structure atm, would be a better way to put it. The classic case of in the right place at the right time, because of need and not want. But we can deal with that when the time arises.

 

[Grin]

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Dont spit it yet dude. He is important to our structure atm, would be a better way to put it. The classic case of in the right place at the right time, because of need and not want. But we can deal with that when the time arises.

Agree with Cogga on this.

He's pretty vital ATM and likely to play a key, but hopefully diminishing role this year, and still likely to be on the list next year IMHO.

 

[RICHOLEGEND12]

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good to see a bit love going around for tucky for once

 

[JAKLAUGHING]

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Mistakes happen every day in all walks of life.
I will put my hand up and admit I made one with Tuck. The fact is, he is important to our structure. I got it wrong.

Fair call......

Tucky's unfashionable and i love his work...he gives his all for the club...cant ask more than that...

 

[CoggaRules]

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Fair call......

Tucky's unfashionable and i love his work...he gives his all for the club...cant ask more than that...

relax dude, how about winning a brownlow? it might go hand in hand with us winning the flag? No?
At the end of the day, kudos to the guy, he has carved out an AFL career the hard way, lobbing at the right team to be able to do that, with the limited amount of skill and inate talent, helped tremendously. He can thank his old man's right hand man for giving him the leg up.
I will state it again, those helicopter handballs are shitful and to become a contender we need not to see them.
So its basically see ball get ball, or get to ball, without any get out plan. Thats why he lobbed at the right team at at the right time for his amount of talent. His bulk the dearth in core players with the required bulk and you have an AFL career.

 

[_RT_]

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So suddenly he is Vital to our structure????? We now suddenly realise his importance???

I would have liked Tuck play moe last season.... it's good that our club have reaslised the huge mistake they have made...

If only you understood why we did what we did last year. Leaving Tuck out was all part of the development process. We needed to find out what the kids were capable of without having Tuck around. After all he isn't going to be around forever.

 

[CoggaRules]

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If only you understood why we did what we did last year. Leaving Tuck out was all part of the development process. We needed to find out what the kids were capable of without having Tuck around. After all he isn't going to be around forever.

So we have basically indirectly shown that we are ****ed, because if we wanted to find out what the kids were capable of and now Tuck is a walk up start, doesnt conjure up confidence in what the kids are capable of.
Just taking the piss dude...Tuck has worked hard and for a dude with the limited talent and its not no talent, you dont play AFL footy if you havent any talent, but with limited talent, he should be tickled pink that he has carved out the career he has. Dont know about you, but if i were in his position and i had what Tuck had put to him last year. I would have sat down and thought, ok, what do i do?..do i spit the dummy go get a contract in suburbia playing for $500 a game and work in the glass factory the rest of the week. Or do i stick it out and train, get fed the right shit, get all that love and attention and make what? 200gs? I know what i would be doing..

 

[JAKLAUGHING]

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If only you understood why we did what we did last year. Leaving Tuck out was all part of the development process. We needed to find out what the kids were capable of without having Tuck around. After all he isn't going to be around forever.

And mores the shame for that...such a fierce competitor for the ball...with a little more polish and skill could have been one of the games greats...

Tucky's one of the reasons why i go and watch the tigers in action...the other is Cotchin...

 

[nut]

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If only you understood why we did what we did last year. Leaving Tuck out was all part of the development process. We needed to find out what the kids were capable of without having Tuck around. After all he isn't going to be around forever.

I understand why we did what we did. I just think it was stupid and the excuses from the club were appalling and disrespectful.

Well then we should leave Jack out of the forwardline for large periods of the season, to see how Astbury or Post or... or Elton goes there. What sought of logic is that...

We lacked experienced big bodies last season.... Tuck should have played... Martin plays taller everytime he does.


Its good to here the club is finally going to picking players on merit

 

[CoggaRules]

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And mores the shame for that...such a fierce competitor for the ball...with a little more polish and skill could have been one of the games greats...

Tucky's one of the reasons why i go and watch the tigers in action...the other is Cotchin...

LMAO..interesting..so you dont go to watch Dustin or JR or Lids, but you to the tigers to watch Tuck and Cotchin...I will keep that in mind when debating shit down the track with you dude...i.e. you are a lost cause..

 

[theflea]

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If only you understood why we did what we did last year. Leaving Tuck out was all part of the development process. We needed to find out what the kids were capable of without having Tuck around. After all he isn't going to be around forever.

well said.

 

[JAKLAUGHING]

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LMAO..interesting..so you dont go to watch Dustin or JR or Lids, but you to the tigers to watch Tuck and Cotchin...I will keep that in mind when debating shit down the track with you dude...i.e. you are a lost cause..

Cant help it...i love a fierce competitive streak...and Tucky...Cotchin have it by the bucketloads......

 

[Rustof]

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I understand why we did what we did. I just think it was stupid and the excuses from the club were appalling and disrespectful.

Well then we should leave Jack out of the forwardline for large periods of the season, to see how Astbury or Post or... or Elton goes there. What sought of logic is that...

We lacked experienced big bodies last season.... Tuck should have played... Martin plays taller everytime he does.


Its good to here the club is finally going to picking players on merit

The thing is, Tuck is 31 this year. He's not going to be around much longer, so we needed to see how our midfield could handle without him.

Obviously we still are quite reliant on him winning a lot of clearances for us and just being a presence in the middle, so hopefully that gives our staff a good indication in what sort of players we need to pick up or develop who are currently at the club to replace him.

As for Jack, we've still got around 10 years left in him hopefully before we need to start looking for a replacement...

 

[nut]

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So we have basically indirectly shown that we are ****ed, because if we wanted to find out what the kids were capable of and now Tuck is a walk up start, doesnt conjure up confidence in what the kids are capable of.
Just taking the piss dude...Tuck has worked hard and for a dude with the limited talent and its not no talent, you dont play AFL footy if you havent any talent, but with limited talent, he should be tickled pink that he has carved out the career he has. Dont know about you, but if i were in his position and i had what Tuck had put to him last year. I would have sat down and thought, ok, what do i do?..do i spit the dummy go get a contract in suburbia playing for $500 a game and work in the glass factory the rest of the week. Or do i stick it out and train, get fed the right shit, get all that love and attention and make what? 200gs? I know what i would be doing..

No the reason was we hoped that grigg was going to beable to take the slack.... we gave him Tucks role hoping he would be an improvement... but we quickly found that Grigg... or anyone else are along way off being able to get first hands on the bal like Tuck can (besides Cotchin)... What we did by not playing Tuck was turn our best young midfielder into a battering ram... as a 21 year old who already was struggling with injuries... This was just plan stupidity. This gave me real concerns of what sought of thought processes were going through out football Department.What Were they trying to see??? how long it would take for Cotchin or Martin to break????

It was plan DUMB.... I have a strong belief that the playing group... especially our leadership group ... and most defenitly from our Vice captain has had a big say in putting Tuck back in the side.


But the Tuck haters have to hate.... and they'll keep focusing on the mistakes he does under pressure and ignore his elite contested game.

 

[RICHOLEGEND12]

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I agree with JAK, i love seeing tucky play. Havent noticed these Helicopter handballs.. Obviously he does the sky scraping kicks but he does some pretty good handballs in the packs imo.

 

[JAKLAUGHING]

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No the reason was we hoped that grigg was going to beable to take the slack.... we gave him Tucks role hoping he would be an improvement... but we quickly found that Grigg... or anyone else are along way off being able to get first hands on the bal like Tuck can (besides Cotchin)... What we did by not playing Tuck was turn our best young midfielder into a battering ram... as a 21 year old who already was struggling with injuries... This was just plan stupidity. This gave me real concerns of what sought of thought processes were going through out football Department.What Were they trying to see??? how long it would take for Cotchin or Martin to break????

It was plan DUMB.... I have a strong belief that the playing group... especially our leadership group ... and most defenitly from our Vice captain has had a big say in putting Tuck back in the side.


But the Tuck haters have to hate.... and they'll keep focusing on the mistakes he does under pressure and ignore his elite contested game.

That above all else was what annoyed me most about not playing Tucky in the mid-field last year...

The possibility of Cotchin and to a lesser extent Martin two of our best and youngest players being injure doing grunt work in the mid-field...simply to gain experience...in Tucky's absense...

One word for that...STUPID...

 

[nut]

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The thing is, Tuck is 31 this year. He's not going to be around much longer, so we needed to see how our midfield could handle without him.

Obviously we still are quite reliant on him winning a lot of clearances for us and just being a presence in the middle, so hopefully that gives our staff a good indication in what sort of players we need to pick up or develop who are currently at the club to replace him.

As for Jack, we've still got around 10 years left in him hopefully before we need to start looking for a replacement...

This is crap... IMO. Why play Cousins then??? I';ll tell you why... becuase you learn off experienced players. What Tuck brings to the table is alot more than what Cousins did with his endless talent.

Tuck gives you a lesson in sheer determination and if you put 100% in you can succeed. Through Sheer guts you can win the ball. That you dont have to be a top 10 pick and full of talent to make it this competition.... He is exactly the type of player that club should be using as an example of what can be achieved if you commit 100%.

At 31 he will hopefully be an imprtant part of our Finals campaign this year and next.

 

[nut]

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... and the Tucks dont understand the age limit

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

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I like the look of what Biscuit has shown in close and it wouldn't surprise me if he assume Tucks position within the side quickly.

 

[JAKLAUGHING]

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I like the look of what Biscuit has shown in close and it wouldn't surprise me if he assume Tucks position within the side quickly.

Jeez i hope your right...another young fierce competitor in the making...Excellent!...

 

[santa claws]

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Whilst i agree with your overall synopsis on Tuck and his traits ... During that run of losses , and in particular the Carlton game , our rucks and midfield and were non existent . To focus in on that Carlton game .. massive occasion . FTF day , Grand luncheons and speeches .

We all know what happened next .

We all know Tuck would have gotten the pill 30 times and at least put some pressure on the one of the best centre clearance units going around . Sometimes , no matter what the overall game plan is ... you just have to be competetive for competetivities sake sometimes.

Yes ... we all know Hardwicks mantra of playing the kids in positions for the future etc. ... but we were haemmoraging from the jugular and blind freddy could see that the comprimise on Tuck would have gone a long way to stemming the flow . As has been proven correct over the last 2-3 weeks . The major spin off being able to stick the majorly out of form Dustin Martin into the front half where while still looking out of it , still managed a major contribution .

Whilst Tuck does chop it up ... his assets of being the hardest most experienced body in the guts we have still out weigh his negative side for mine . At least at times "we have" the ball with Tuck in the side as opposed the ridiculous downhill procession we saw during that horror 6 week stretch .

i was looking thru this thread and this quote hit me. especially the competetive part.

you can have all the best kids in the world but if they cant compete for what ever reason size age experience you cant develop jack shit.
to do anything you at least have to be comprtetive. its why we have targeted size.
experienced big bodies like tuck actually allow you to develop the younger players on your list. dont have enough experienced players and you will end up the creek with out a paddle with shit all over you.
unbelievble that some still cant grasp this and even wanted tuck gone. if tuck has to go lets make sure we have a player who can do his job better.that aint going to be a 18 yr old kid in the near future.

also lol at grigg replacing tuck. in what capacity? its like looking at soft and hard or weak and strong. or inside or outside.
we still have no replacement for tuck other than maybe arnott are we going to put that onto a 18 yr old.

 

[Spanish_Fly]

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I said to a mate after the first round of NAB matches that we need to start every centre bounce with either Cotchin or Tuck in the centre.

We just look so much more likely to win first possesion with either of them in there. Without either of those 2 the opposiitin just seem to stroll away from the contest.

Since then Foley has improved in this area but if I were coach we wouldnt start one centre bounce all year without atleast 1 of these 2 in the guts.

 

[cotchinsoda]

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If we are to win enough games to make the 8, this bloke will be critical. Simply cannot underestimate the value of a tough, battle hardened warrior like him in the high pressure situations we will find ourselves in.

Arnot may well take his role one day, but Tuck's experience - in combination with the younger mids' "silk" - will be vital for 2012 at least.