What should we be expecting?

[aussiebob14]

Hi everyone,

I'm totally confused at the moment. Should we be shooting for top four OR are in we in some sort of mid-table rebuild?

Just hard to gauge what to expect of our club at the moment without Maric, Lids and Yarran.

 

[Achilles Heel]

Hi everyone,

I'm totally confused at the moment. Should we be shooting for top four OR are in we in some sort of mid-table rebuild?

Just hard to gauge what to expect of our club at the moment without Maric, Lids and Yarran.

Tanking

 

[tgrs]

the unexpected

never a dull moment when ur a tigs fan

 

[SpudsLoveChild]

You should expect a lot of angry posts

 

[BF Tiger]

We're seven years with the one coach. If we're not shooting for top 4 then we should be. If it's a re-build then it's a re-build from nothing.

 

[A Tiger 4 lyf]

Expect another smashing against the eagles

 

[spackler]

Manure, melted membership cards, rabid talk back, robbo exposés, talk of 'four walls'...

 

[TigerImposter]

It's been obvious for four years we were a middle table side.
Rebuild is needed this admin has cheated us with the stagnation line.
Remove DH FJ BH and Peggy and then the rebuild will begin. Failed administrators and FD people from up to and over a decade of nothing and they're trumpeting stability
GAGF

 

[TheProwler]

It's been obvious for four years we were a middle table side.
Rebuild is needed this admin has cheated us with the stagnation line.
Remove DH FJ BH and Peggy and then the rebuild will begin. Failed administrators and FD people from up to and over a decade of nothing and they're trumpeting stability
GAGF

And replace them with who exactly?

 

[TigerImposter]

And replace them with who exactly?

A big fat turd floating on a public toilet will do. Far out the have been coach changes made from day dot . There are assistants and coaches everywhere that could do a better job blind folded
Your statement is a cop out

 

[TheProwler]

A big fat turd floating on a public toilet will do. Far out the have been coach changes made from day dot . There are assistants and coaches everywhere that could do a better job blind folded
Your statement is a cop out

No suggesting X,Y&Z need to go but not putting forward anyone to replace them is a cop out.

The coach is contracted for three more years so get your head around that to start with.

Its easy to look back and say we got this wrong by picking this guy over that guy but maybe, just maybe our ability to develop the players is the bigger problem. Now you can put some of that onto the coach but this ain't little league where someone does all but we have a myriad of coaching assistants that need to be looked at as much as the head coach and recruiters.

Typical of the uninformed to go after the easy targets though so don't feel too bad.

 

[astro_toby]

Pretty convinced we will miss the 8. The Bulldogs, Hawks, Cats, Eagles, Giants, Suns, Crows, Swans, Kangaroo's, Dockers all miles ahead of us.

Thats 10 teams. You make a decent argument against that, the i'd love to hear it.

My guess that we will be wrestling Power, Saints, Pies for a position from there down and we should finish above Lions, Dees, Blues & Bombers.

So somewhere from 11th to 14th. We are literally a clone of Carlton 4 years ago under Ratten, except he at least got 1 finals win before leaving. Hardwick wont, unfortunately.

That supposed "war chest" we all put our hard earned in will end up getting used to pay out his contract. It was definitely never used to bring in any type of Franchise changing player. Since the "War Chest" propaganda crap we have only lured Houli, Maric, Grigg, Hampson, Chaplin & Yarran. All sound players but none required a "War Chest" to get.

Pathetic.

 

[TiggerMan22]

It's been obvious for four years we were a middle table side.
Rebuild is needed this admin has cheated us with the stagnation line.
Remove DH FJ BH and Peggy and then the rebuild will begin. Failed administrators and FD people from up to and over a decade of nothing and they're trumpeting stability
GAGF

Failed? I say they have done as good as they could have with the resources they had.
How are we supposed to draft top of the line talent to rebuild when the AFL gives it all to gws and gold coast?

 

[aussiebob14]

See my opinion is that BH and FJ need to go.

Too harsh to blame all of this on Dimma or Benny (I rate Benny highly) but our recruiting is the let down here

 

[exceptional design]

It's been obvious for four years we were a middle table side.
Rebuild is needed this admin has cheated us with the stagnation line.
Remove DH FJ BH and Peggy and then the rebuild will begin. Failed administrators and FD people from up to and over a decade of nothing and they're trumpeting stability
GAGF

But we have been stable.
It's just that everyone else is going past us lol

 

[astro_toby]

No suggesting X,Y&Z need to go but not putting forward anyone to replace them is a cop out.

The coach is contracted for three more years so get your head around that to start with.

Its easy to look back and say we got this wrong by picking this guy over that guy but maybe, just maybe our ability to develop the players is the bigger problem. Now you can put some of that onto the coach but this ain't little league where someone does all but we have a myriad of coaching assistants that need to be looked at as much as the head coach and recruiters.

Typical of the uninformed to go after the easy targets though so don't feel too bad.

To be honest its not the supporters job to suggest a replacement - we have a board for this. We are here to put $$$ into the club & Richmond supporters do that better than any. To suggest we have the resources to make any sort of sound decions on who should be the person to replace him is ridiculous. Not sure if you are 12 & if you are, you are forgiven. If you are over the age of 25 though - get a bloody clue. Throwing names out there is merely time wasting fodder. Stop wasting your time & go read a book.

 

[aussiebob14]

Failed? I say they have done as good as they could have with the resources they had.
How are we supposed to draft top of the line talent to rebuild when the AFL gives it all to gws and gold coast?

...Compromised drafts have destroyed us. How were we supposed to jag a few bargain players in 2nd or 3rd round with GWS or GC hoarding all the picks?

 

[TigerImposter]

No suggesting X,Y&Z need to go but not putting forward anyone to replace them is a cop out.

The coach is contracted for two more years so get your head around that to start with.

Its easy to look back and say we got this wrong by picking this guy over that guy but maybe, just maybe our ability to develop the players is the bigger problem. Now you can put some of that onto the coach but this ain't little league where someone does all but we have a myriad of coaching assistants that need to be looked at as much as the head coach and recruiters.

Typical of the uninformed to go after the easy targets though so don't feel too bad.

Go and see what passed our eyes ? A contract means nothing.
DH will not see it out
Here's one for you: a little fat dwarf that played in an 08 flag
Knights would at least develop kids also.
I'm not paid hundreds of thousands a year and more like Gale and DR etc to pull the Stabilty line and sign up a six year dysfunctional robot for two more years
As I said coaches are out there especially if you don't have one

 

[astro_toby]

Go and see what passed our eyes ? A contract means nothing.
DH will not see it out
Here's one for you: a little fat dwarf that played in an 08 flag
Knights would at least develop kids also.
I'm not paid hundreds of thousands a year and more like Gale and DR etc to pull the Stabilty line and sign up a six year dysfunctional robot for two more years
As I said coaches are out there especially if you don't have one

Yup, I will be stunned, & disappointed, if Hardwick see's his contract out based on what we have seen. It is a total reflection of a coddled nature we live in that he was given any sort of extension after last years finals disaster. I would have loved to have seen how this group and coach reacted with his head on line to make success happen. Sink or Swim, Buy the Ticket - Take the Ride stuff.

Instead we extended his contract for no other reason than to make him feel comfortable - no one was definitely knocking on his door to poach him - why else extend it? And 2 years??? This club clearly spends money like it is not theres.

 

[Achilles Heel]

No suggesting X,Y&Z need to go but not putting forward anyone to replace them is a cop out.

The coach is contracted for three more years so get your head around that to start with.

Its easy to look back and say we got this wrong by picking this guy over that guy but maybe, just maybe our ability to develop the players is the bigger problem. Now you can put some of that onto the coach but this ain't little league where someone does all but we have a myriad of coaching assistants that need to be looked at as much as the head coach and recruiters.

Typical of the uninformed to go after the easy targets though so don't feel too bad.

Without getting into a shit fight ,the assistants are picked by the coach, if he has no input then he should walk, who brought Hartley to the club?

Usually when a coach goes so do the assistants, and yes he had a three year contract , and those that gave it to him should be held accountable when they need to pull the triggers, they got spooked by Bartlett and it's not the first time.

 

[Achilles Heel]

Failed? I say they have done as good as they could have with the resources they had.
How are we supposed to draft top of the line talent to rebuild when the AFL gives it all to gws and gold coast?

Bullshit, they have tried and failed to attract a big fish, even with our war chest, players don't rate the club as a destination for success

 

[TiggerMan22]

...Compromised drafts have destroyed us. How were we supposed to jag a few bargain players in 2nd or 3rd round with GWS or GC hoarding all the picks?

The players we would have got with 2nd and 3rd round are the ones we end up taking with our first.
Imagine if we got players like Vlaustin with our 2nd rounders

 

[TiggerMan22]

Bullshit, they have tried and failed to attract a big fish, even with our war chest, players don't rate the club as a destination for success

Yeh drafts already being raided has nothing to do with that /s
If we had the chance to draft better players, then our team would be better, then it would be more attractive to come here.

In fact why would we even need to attract a big player? We would have just drafted them.
Players like Bennel, Treloar, Stringer would already be on our list.
Not to mention our picks were even lower than what they seem, GWS didnt even have to use a pick for Treloar or Cameron, they got them us 17 year olds along with their bounty of picks.
In 2011 we should have got pick no.5 Instead we got pick 15 in a draft that had already had talent taken from it.
E.g in that draft we could have got Tyson as our first pick and then got B.Ellis with a econd rounder.

 

[theyellowsash]

Short term im expecting more of this crap and a new coach at the end of next year. The board wont want to payout 2 years and look incompetent, even if we finish bottom 4 this year (which I expect to happen). It was just so obvious this off season that the recruitment side of the club is obsessed with finding a hidden gem even if it takes 2 years worth of picks to do so. We made no improvement over the off season and somehow expected duds like Griffith's to suddenly improve to become acceptable afl standard players.

Long term I'm expecting another 50 years of mediocrity and to die never having seen the tigers reach anything more than maybe second week of finals.

 

[Achilles Heel]

Yeh drafts already being raided has nothing to do with that /s
If we had the chance to draft better players, then our team would be better, then it would be more attractive to come here.

In fact why would we even need to attract a big player? We would have just drafted them.
Players like Bennel, Treloar, Stringer would already be on our list.
Not to mention our picks were even lower than what they seem, GWS didnt even have to use a pick for Treloar or Cameron, they got them us 17 year olds along with their bounty of picks.
In 2011 we should have got pick no.5 Instead we got pick 15 in a draft that had already had talent taken from it.
E.g in that draft we could have got Tyson as our first pick and then got B.Ellis with a econd rounder.

Look at what we have passed up in the draft...Heppel for one and he was training with us in his draft year, compromised or uncompromised our draft position has nothing to do with it, other clubs have improved during the compromised drafts