What you would give for Brent Stanton?

[Slattery_20]

You're right that he's no-where near Swan (self-evident).
It's an odd thing; I know a few people from DVFL/NFL sort of area and not many of them rate Stanton either.

Stanton takes a lot of marks and kicks a lot of goals for someone who doesn't mark; sets up a lot of goals for someone who can't kick; wins a fair bit of contested pill for a sheepdog.
For someone who turns it over a lot, he doesn't have a high percentage of critical errors (2 out of 25 touches is fine compared to guys like Swan (2.8 from 33 ) or Pendlebury (2.5 from 28) or Montagna (2.8 from 25)).

Not a guy you want as your #1 or #2 midfielder but a capable footballer. Far better than Tambling.

You'd take Tambling if it was purely a spot on half-back because he is slightly better defensively, but would take Stanton in any almost other situation and he produces far more, far more often.

http://www.pro-stats.com.au/psw/web...9,G10,E1,E2,E3,E4,E5,E6,E7,E9,F7,D7,F8,D8,E13

 

[brady05]

First round. Comfortably.

Draft picks can be a bit over-rated when you look back, with a bit of hindsight, at who goes where.
Blokes on the fringe at very good sides move; blokes chasing a flag towards the end of their career move; guys with "issues" move; guys pushed out by younger better players move and guys with injuries move.
Good players who contribute each and every week and rarely get injured do not go on the market that often.

So top 10? Big difference between pick 1 and pick 18

 

[rooke33]

Pretty under rated on Bigfooty I would think.
Ranked 6th on Final Siren
10th on Supercoach
5th on Dream team
6th on Pro-stats

Some of the criticism of him is valid but it doesn't overide the positives he brings to the table. One of the fittest blokes in the AFL and he runs himself into the ground in every game

Thank you, Was unaware that scoring dreamteam points made you a good footballer

I remember going to a geelong essendon game once and seeing and essendon supporter with a number 5 jersey on and in permanant marker had written "not Stanton". Of all the essendon supporters I know none of them seem to rate Stanton he can get the ball fine its just what he does with it that is questionable.

I honestly don't think clubs would be offering much for his services. Maybe a second round draft pick.

 

[Alexwce]

Jarrad Oakley-Nicholls, couldn't get a game at a Richmond team that wasn't winning a game and couldn't get a game at a wooden spooned eagles last year, (couldn't even get promoted off the rookie list despite a tone of injuries)

 

[HighettBomber]

No thanks.

I'd sooner play the more talented kids on our list.

StKilda, Bulldogs & Swans might be possible clubs for a trade.

Life's great through rose coloured glasses, unfortuinately the reality is that you don't have any "more talented kids". Harvey and Swallow are better players, but Stanton has every other onballer on your list covered quite easily. If it fitted your list management strategy to add a player his age North would give a first round pick for him, as woulod a number of other clubs. Stanton has his weaknesses, but he also has some great strengths and is a very good consistent player.

 

[yaco55]

So top 10? Big difference between pick 1 and pick 18

You would probably get a selection between 15 and 20 - Could edge closer to 10 if really wanted.

 

[yaco55]

Wall E

Not a big wrap for Stanton - but he is a better footballer than Tambling.

 

[The OBSTacle]

Life's great through rose coloured glasses, unfortuinately the reality is that you don't have any "more talented kids". Harvey and Swallow are better players, but Stanton has every other onballer on your list covered quite easily. If it fitted your list management strategy to add a player his age North would give a first round pick for him, as woulod a number of other clubs. Stanton has his weaknesses, but he also has some great strengths and is a very good consistent player.

Put the glue down.

 

[00Stinger]

Not a guy you want as your #1 or #2 midfielder but a capable footballer. Far better than Tambling.

And why would you give up a first round pick for a guy who would be your third midfielder at best?

He should be a gun, but he isn't. I would say a pick between 25-35 would suffice.

 

[WN123]

He should be a gun, but he isn't.

I tend to think the opposite. He has limited talent for an AFL footballer and has made the most of it through his willingness to work so hard both on the track and on the ground.

 

[HighettBomber]

Put the glue down.

Great comeback, why don't you tell us who all these "more talented kids" are and who on your list is better rather than resorting to insults?

 

[The OBSTacle]

Great comeback, why don't you tell us who all these "more talented kids" are and who on your list is better rather than resorting to insults?

http://www.kangaroos.com.au/Players/tabid/4995/Default.aspx

http://www.kangaroos.com.au/players/tabid/4995/season/2011/category/rookie/default.aspx

Now go away.

 

[Kaiser Powser]

Can distinctly remember this same discussion when Lovett was put on the table.

Essendon fans generally suggested a pick in the early second round.

Opposition fans generally suggested 3rd round at best.

He went for a first round pick. BF posters and their overvalued view on picks were proven to be nuff-nuffs again.

This thread is eerily similar.

 

[The OBSTacle]

Can distinctly remember this same discussion when Lovett was put on the table.

Essendon fans generally suggested a pick in the early second round.

Opposition fans generally suggested 3rd round at best.

He went for a first round pick. BF posters and their overvalued view on picks were proven to be nuff-nuffs again.

This thread is eerily similar.

Kindergarten logic.

You insult the intelligence of the readership by posting that.

Just because a freak event occurs and someone pays 100 bucks for a lemon, doesn't mean everyone would pay 100 bucks for a lemon.

 

[Kaiser Powser]

Kindergarten logic. You insult the intelligence of the readership by even posting it.

Just because a freak event occurs and someone pays 100 bucks for a lemon, doesn't mean everyone would pay 100 bucks for a lemon.

Kindergarten Logic? Freak event? Are you for real?

Lovett was not a lemon. If he played in the GF rather than Peake, we'd probably have a different Premier. It was a good move by St Kilda, just back-fired due to a very stupid off-field incident from Lovett.

BF posters overate draft picks. It is a fact.

Players are worth whatever a club is willing to pay for them. In a premiership window clubs will give more. Collingwood gave away a first rounder for Krakouer.

 

[The Fact]

Kindergarten Logic? Freak event? Are you for real?

Lovett was not a lemon. If he played in the GF rather than Peake, we'd probably have a different Premier. It was a good move by St Kilda, just back-fired due to a very stupid off-field incident from Lovett.

BF posters overate draft picks. It is a fact.

Players are worth whatever a club is willing to pay for them. In a premiership window clubs will give more. Collingwood gave away a first rounder for Krakouer.

Agreed we see it all the time proven AFL players aren't rated high enough considering the fail rate of draftees after the 1st round. i think considering north got a 2nd for hale and gibson, the dees a 1st for Mclean shows bigfooty are very out of touch with how clubs rate players and draft picks.

Also with Lovett it has to be remembered the year before Geelong offered pick 16 or 17 so the saints weren't crazy

 

[The OBSTacle]

Kindergarten Logic? Freak event? Are you for real?

Lovett was not a lemon. If he played in the GF rather than Peake, we'd probably have a different Premier. It was a good move by St Kilda, just back-fired due to a very stupid off-field incident from Lovett.

BF posters overate draft picks. It is a fact.

Players are worth whatever a club is willing to pay for them. In a premiership window clubs will give more. Collingwood gave away a first rounder for Krakouer.

That's all good and well, but the tone of your post proposed a broad blanket view which does not automatically apply year in year out, and it does not automatically apply to Brent Stanton.

Utilising Krakeour in 2010 is also very misleading. He went for draft pick 25!

As far as Stanton goes, I pretty much agree with Wall - E's summation. You just might get a 1st round pick for him, but it would amaze me.

 

[barrel47]

I'd take the following ahead of Stanton:

• Cunnington;
• Wells;
• Wright;
• Ziebell;
• Atley;
• Hansen;
• McIntosh;

 

[Ants]

And why would you give up a first round pick for a guy who would be your third midfielder at best? ......

You see, this kind of logic blows my mind. Ignoring whether its Stanton or soemone else - if you had the chance to get a 25yr/26yr old midfielder who would be your #3 mid, you wouldn't give up a first round pick? What the hell are the odds do you think of an average first round pick reaching the top 3 mids in your club? I can understand if maybe you exclude top 5 picks, but most of the others for an average draft you would go for the certainty every day of the week.

Its why Johnstone, Stenglein, Chick, McLean, Lovett, S. Thompson, Maloney, Woewodin and a host of others went for first round picks - and often more.

Hell, WCE paid out a top 10 pick, another first round pick and their second round picks on Chick and Stenglein and they played the tagging role and as a back in their team. Do you think WCE fans think they paid over in hindsight and would have preferred some kids - or do you think they were happy paying that price to get solid contributors who strengthened the team and filled gaps?

 

[Toadvine]

The thread is titled "what YOU would give for Brent Stanton". If opposition supporters dont think he's worth a first rounder and Essendon supporters don't agree, it means nothing.

Maybe the thread title should be " What would Essendon TAKE for Stanton"

 

[HighettBomber]

I'd take the following ahead of Stanton:

• Cunnington;
• Wells;
• Wright;
• Ziebell;
• Atley;
• Hansen;
• McIntosh;

Well its lucky you're not a recruiter or a list manager then. Hansen and McIntosh are totally different types of players, you could argue McIntosh has more value being a ruckman, but Hansen has a very lonmg way to go.

Wells is older than Stanton and not as well performed, he certainly has more talent but he doesn't use it and may never. The real argument though was about these mythical "more talented kids" as i don't think there are any. Let's look at some facts:

Wright averages 14 touches a game
Zeibell averages 13 and has not improved since his first year
Cunnington averages 12 touches
Its Atleys first year so his 14 per game is OK but he still has a long way to go and his disposal is every bit as questionable as Stantons.

Stanton currently averages 25 disposals a game and hasn't average less than 20 since his third year. Stats aren't everything, but getting hold of the ball is a pretty fundmental skill. He is also in the top 10 players in the comp for inside 50's and goal assists, so its not like he doesn't do anything with the ball.

Stanton is an easy target for opposition supporters because he is bagged by so many Essendon supporters, but he is a very good player. He was good when we were no good and he remains one of our most important players, despite having some faults. There is not a chance in hell that any of those North players would get a game ahead of him and I highly doubt any of them will ever be as good as he is.

 

[WCE_phil]

From a west coast perspective i wouldnt give anything for him as we really already have a few players of his type. That being said if was a recruiting manager and i was chasing him i'd know he'd have to want to come play with us and i'd likely have to give up a mid to late first round draft pick for him. If he was contracted and the club didnt want to release him it would definitely take a top 10 pick to move him. That being said if he was thrown up on the trade table by essendon rather than him being chased i think and end of first rounder to mid second rounder is what you would get.

 

[Azzleberry]

Was going to say the same thing (@Toadvine).
If you don't wanna hear the answer to the question, don't ask the question in the first place... Thread has been derailed by Essendon supporters justifying why they think Stants is a top 15 pick... Reality has it, that no teams out there are willing to pay that...

close thread

 

[Yoda_]

Was going to say the same thing (@Toadvine).
If you don't wanna hear the answer to the question, don't ask the question in the first place... Thread has been derailed by Essendon supporters justifying why they think Stants is a top 15 pick... Reality has it, that no teams out there are willing to pay that...

close thread

Well said

I am not against trading Stanton, but in reading some things of late, unless we are going to truly upgrade on our (Essendon's) situation with a better player, I do not think I could justify trading Stanton.

If I were to trade Stanton to say a Fremantle (hypotheticall only) as they are coming into their premiership window and they offered up a first round pick and a promising young midfielder who is on the fringes (Rhys Palmer for example) then I think Essendon would certainly entertain a trade like this.

In short, Essendon will not trade Stanton just for picks, me thinks they (Hird & Co.) rate the list a little better than most and would look to upgrade on Stanton to a top 30 player in the comp.

 

[The OBSTacle]

The thread is titled "what YOU would give for Brent Stanton". If opposition supporters dont think he's worth a first rounder and Essendon supporters don't agree, it means nothing.

Maybe the thread title should be " What would Essendon TAKE for Stanton"

Bingo!

Unfortunately, some people are having trouble grasping that concept.