When does Terry Wallace get the credit he deserves?

[HairyO]

Champion footballer. Average coach. Truly shit list manager.

 

[MisterMarcus]

If Terry Wallace's aim was to leave plenty of room in the Richmond history books for the achievements of others, then he was a raging success.....

 

[markr]

My vague memory is that Hardwick put the broom through when he came in and cut the list pretty deeply, even though it meant drafting a bunch of players with very late picks to fill those spots. Didn't seem like he thought much of the state of the list.

 

[Demonic Ascent]

Perhaps his greatest legacy was his "hands free" coaching in the last round of 2007 that netted us Cotchin.

Nice euphemism for "tanking"

 

[HairyO]

My vague memory is that Hardwick put the broom through when he came in and cut the list pretty deeply, even though it meant drafting a bunch of players with very late picks to fill those spots. Didn't seem like he thought much of the state of the list.

Also have to wonder about the legacy of a guy who had a heap of good draft picks yet none of them started to shine for about a decade...

 

[Franc de Borges]

The minute Wallace was gone, kids were promoted and Richmond had its youngest winning team in 40 years.

Wallace would be justifiably proud of the premiership players who got their start under him - Edwards, Riewoldt, Cotchin and Rance. But the fact is that Richmond were on a road to nowhere under his coaching and had to begin from ground zero after he was replaced.

Perhaps his greatest legacy was his "hands free" coaching in the last round of 2007 that netted us Cotchin.

Hands-free coaching...

 

[PetterdHoisted]

Nice euphemism for "tanking"

Tigers don't tank.

Terry was always honest and open that he felt conflicted in those sorts of situations though, that's how you know, clubs getting up systematic tanking didn't talk openly about it.

 

[gordo2016]

Champion footballer. Average coach. Truly shit list manager.

Bullshit.

 

[Damon_3388]

Also have to wonder about the legacy of a guy who had a heap of good draft picks yet none of them started to shine for about a decade...

Spending top 20 picks on players like Danny Meyer, Adam Pattison and Jarrod Oakley-Nicholls was a problem too. And that's before you look at Richard Tambling.

 

[gordo2016]

I remember watching Wallace play for camberwell thinking he was a busted arse player who hung around a little too long, he gave the impression of an over inflated opinion of himself.... is more important than the team.
Thought the same thing in his last two years as coach.
Think the same thing now.

That is because you have no idea. Wallace was the ultimate team player who gave his all for his team mates and club. There is no over inflated opinion of himself, he is as down to earth as what you can get. Your opinion is a shit one mate.

 

[parmy2balmey]

Terry needs to talk to Danger about his tan. how can someone that lives at the beach be so pale? will he ever win a premiership? can gary ablett save danger's career?

 

[Ron The Bear]

What about Thomas from Pt Adelaide - he was no kid - he was slow a battler - and Hardwick loved him and gave him plenty of games - Taylor Hunt another in that category and probably others

2009

Round |Coach|Avg Age
\8|Wallace|24.78
\9|Wallace|24.38
\10|Wallace|24.56
\11|Wallace|24.48
\12|Rawlings|22.77
\13|Rawlings|22.90
\14|Rawlings|22.87
\15|Rawlings|22.82

The minute he was gone...

 

[ess7]

I do find the constant complaining about why Wallace has a job in the media quite funny. Should we only have former premiership winning coaches and all time great 300+ game players in the media?

 

[Power Raid]

Jack Dyer had more input into this flag than Wallace

 

[Cdog71]

That is because you have no idea. Wallace was the ultimate team player who gave his all for his team mates and club. There is no over inflated opinion of himself, he is as down to earth as what you can get. Your opinion is a shit one mate.

Yeah it's not a great opinion of him..ok maybe my view is a little tied up in the disappointment of his time at Richmond.
If he is as you say then good onya for sayin it.
But Terror Wallace did a shit load of damage to our club by not developing the team and instead trying to develop his own brand, self promotion and trying to get a name for himself with a crap, cowardly basketball style game plan that in the end forced the AFL to change the rules with rushed behinds because of what was happening.
Could go on for ages about draft choices
Franklin, Callum Ward etc
What he didn't do in
2005
2007
2008
That damaged us for years and it's my view he was more interested in his own brand and record than the club

 

[Ron The Bear]

My vague memory is that Hardwick put the broom through when he came in and cut the list pretty deeply, even though it meant drafting a bunch of players with very late picks to fill those spots. Didn't seem like he thought much of the state of the list.

The state of the list was dire. The following players exited post-Wallace/pre-Hardwick

Richardson 282 games
Bowden 265
Brown 219
McMahon 148
Pettifer 113
Coughlan 92
Schulz 71
Pattison 66
Raines 56

while an ailing Simmonds (197) was talked into playing the handful of games he had left in him. And that's after finishing second-last with a percentage of 74.

Wallace never conducted a proper rebuild. He had a bet each-way (e.g. Cousins) all the way through, without having good enough players to make it work. Admittedly he was hamstrung by lack of resources; there wasn't much left in the football department kitty after he was paid. And somehow our membership kept climbing while he was there. He generally represented the club well in the media.

 

[JackFlash]

You know what would be cool? Superhuman intelligence. To walk into a room like Dr.Who or Sherlock Holmes and show everyone your brain works twice as fast as theirs. Unfortunately, we can't turn you into a genius... genetics and the public school system have already tried and failed. There really needs to be a test before you can join Big footy!

 

[Leviathan Pie]

Gee this is a bad thread from OP.

 

[Demonic Ascent]

Tigers don't tank.

Terry was always honest and open that he felt conflicted in those sorts of situations though, that's how you know, clubs getting up systematic tanking didn't talk openly about it.

Lol

 

[Rohan25]

Yep. Set up a flag for the dogs and did the same for the tigers.

A delayed reaction, sure. But he put the building blocks in place for both and deserves full credit.

 

[The full package]

King Gold = Terry Wallace

Seriously love the opinion's from people that no nothing of our club.

 

[Cdog71]

Yep. Set up a flag for the dogs and did the same for the tigers.

A delayed reaction, sure. But he put the building blocks in place for both and deserves full credit.

There are laws against inciting a riot...

 

[gordo2016]

Yeah it's not a great opinion of him..ok maybe my view is a little tied up in the disappointment of his time at Richmond.
If he is as you say then good onya for sayin it.
But Terror Wallace did a shit load of damage to our club by not developing the team and instead trying to develop his own brand, self promotion and trying to get a name for himself with a crap, cowardly basketball style game plan that in the end forced the AFL to change the rules with rushed behinds because of what was happening.
Could go on for ages about draft choices
Franklin, Callum Ward etc
What he didn't do in
2005
2007
2008
That damaged us for years and it's my view he was more interested in his own brand and record than the club

It was more what you said about him having an inflated opinion of himself. Have met the man a few times and he does not appear to be self centered, struck him as being a very genuine, humble man. As a footballer got the absolute best out of himself. Not quite sure about how good of a coach he was at Richmond, seemed to get the best out of the players at the dogs, they just were not good enough. Saw Terry at the national a draft camp in Canberra in 2005 I think. Went with a group of indigenous students from remote East Kimberley communities. Wallace remembered me from a previous time and went out of his way to talk to the boys and make them feel welcome, as did Chris Connolly.

 

[gaelictiogar]

He used to drive me mad but now we can look back on the days of sir Terence McTan Wallet with a kind of affection.

 

[Upgrayedd]

Wallace wanted to draft Scott Selwood or Tayte Pears ovee Rance. Even though Rance had slipped a bit