Where has all the ranting gone?

[WannabeVegas]

In this low season let's get into it.

I want to see some serious hard nosed analysis of the list that we now have and exactly where on the premiership clock we are.

Prediction from me - we slip right back - Mad Micky M wastes the whole season by playing Tarky/Shane/Paul - end of the year MM stands down for health reasons.

 

[daics cousin]

If we don't make the 8 next year malthouse will be gone.Choco will step in in 2008.i know he was offered an extension at port adelaide,but i don't know if he has signed the contract.May be buying his time at port to see what develops at collingwood.If on the other hand collingwood have a good year malty will sign another extended contract and will stay at the pies and choco may resign at port for another 3 years.Let's hope all these young players step up especially the 5 we picked in this years draft.We will develop our depth and build on a very good fast athletic team in 2-3 years.I still believe we will be very competitive in 2007 only injuries could stuff us up and we haven't got the depth to cover kpp's at the moment that's our only downfall.We also have to fix our ruck options,the midfield will be sorted with the likes of thomas,pendelbury,cox,swan,nichols,the shaws,davis, and medhurst stepping up to the plate in 2007.Once didak and holland come back that will be an even bigger plus.

 

[Chase the Ace]

In this low season let's get into it.

I want to see some serious hard nosed analysis of the list that we now have and exactly where on the premiership clock we are.

Prediction from me - we slip right back - Mad Micky M wastes the whole season by playing Tarky/Shane/Paul - end of the year MM stands down for health reasons.

Cheeky, I love your nic, very good. Now to answer your question. This board has now been dumbed down to the point that it is a poor imitation of another board which primarily deals with 14 year olds. Anything that is remotely controversial or that doesn't fit with VV69 or Figjam regardless of its worth is no longer allowed. This board has purposely been turned into a bland, meaningless, trivial, children’s forum. It was done so that the moderators can control what gets said, what the discussions will be and how those discussions will unfold. It is a fully contrived environment and all of you who fail to speak up deserve exactly what you get. You don’t have to believe me, just take a look at the club boards and see how different they are. Controversial discussion is encouraged, the hard questions get asked, and supporters get to talk about grievances. Go see for yourself and then compare what happens here. I wonder how many of you will get to see this before one of the mods deletes it.

 

[JOELY]

i hope we sack them all. death penalty still an option. i hate this club!

 

[morax]

There are concerns for next year and perhaps the year after.

I'm still not convinced Lonie, Davis and O'bree have the ability to be consistent.

A viable alternate option to fraser in the ruck is still nothing more then a dream.

We have a core group who are close to end.(Buckley, lucuria, presti, and Burns)

But its not all doom and gloom. Collingwood seems to taken giant leaps with its drafting and rookie selections. Hine seems to be great addition to our recruiting staff, but only time will tell if I'm correct.

A lot depends on how Maxwell, O'brien, and Cloke develop next year and we need R.Shaw to have a big year in the middle.

Hard to pick were we might finish. Bad run with injuries and no didak or holland at the start could have us around 10th to 12th. Early confidence, development in our young players and a favourable draw, we should be playing finals again.

I just hope that if our season goes pear shaped, we have the balls sack MM. Eight years is long enough.

 

[Lonie_from_50]

i hope we sack them all. death penalty still an option. i hate this club!

Its bandwagoners like you as to why we get a bad name. We have done nothing wrong, have we?

We have got rid of the wasted talent. We didn't look at size at all, and that is a good thing. Would you want a dud on our list only because he has height, NO! So what have we done wrong.

We traded Tarrant is probably one thing, but we got a youngster who has the ability to be a top KPP and ruckman, and even better, an experienced forward who has had a great career. I don't think we have made any real mistakes in the National Draft.

We know what we want in the PSD, we just got to make sure we get it, so the planning is their.

We finished 7th last year when we were predicted to finish bottom 4 by 90% of people.

So all in all, what should we be ranting about...oh yeah, the scapegoats behind Clokey, I see!

Tarkyn Lockyer had probably the most under-rated season in the history of the club. People wanted him delisted. He was valuable for us, one of our best and most consistent players in the first half of the year. He got exposed by Jeff Farmer, big deal! Shane O'Bree was great again this year, but everyone has a go at him. He puts in 100% and he has success on the stats sheet. His role isn't to use the ball with 100% efficiency, it is to get the friggen ball out of the guts. Don't know what games people were watching, but he found the ball, got it out of the guts, and put in those 1%ers. Oh and Paul, not the best footballer going around at the moment, agreed, but he is two time Copeland Trophy winner who continues to do the same as he did in our successful years...find the ball consistently with ease, but be at 75% efficiency (the AFL average is what, 78% or something!)

It is so easy to find an easy way out by blaming the same guys every year. It doesn't matter if they play an awesome season, they continue to be stamped on. Last time I checked, it is a team sport!

 

[morax]

Wannabe. If your looking for a group to come out and rant about this boards mods, then you are mistaken.

While neither fig or vegas are perfect, they do an admirable job when you consider the different personalities they have to deal with.

Vegas is overly optimistic, but i'll put that down to age. The humour i find in fig's posts usually has me laughing.

Its a tough job and something i could never be bothered with.

 

[Shellz]

Its bandwagoners like you as to why we get a bad name. We have done nothing wrong, have we?

We have got rid of the wasted talent. We didn't look at size at all, and that is a good thing. Would you want a dud on our list only because he has height, NO! So what have we done wrong.

We traded Tarrant is probably one thing, but we got a youngster who has the ability to be a top KPP and ruckman, and even better, an experienced forward who has had a great career. I don't think we have made any real mistakes in the National Draft.

We know what we want in the PSD, we just got to make sure we get it, so the planning is their.

We finished 7th last year when we were predicted to finish bottom 4 by 90% of people.

So all in all, what should we be ranting about...oh yeah, the scapegoats behind Clokey, I see!

Tarkyn Lockyer had probably the most under-rated season in the history of the club. People wanted him delisted. He was valuable for us, one of our best and most consistent players in the first half of the year. He got exposed by Jeff Farmer, big deal! Shane O'Bree was great again this year, but everyone has a go at him. He puts in 100% and he has success on the stats sheet. His role isn't to use the ball with 100% efficiency, it is to get the friggen ball out of the guts. Don't know what games people were watching, but he found the ball, got it out of the guts, and put in those 1%ers. Oh and Paul, not the best footballer going around at the moment, agreed, but he is two time Copeland Trophy winner who continues to do the same as he did in our successful years...find the ball consistently with ease, but be at 75% efficiency (the AFL average is what, 78% or something!)

It is so easy to find an easy way out by blaming the same guys every year. It doesn't matter if they play an awesome season, they continue to be stamped on. Last time I checked, it is a team sport!

I agree with you entirely! excellent post.

 

[morax]

LF50 you do realise that stats can be misleading. 80% of people know that

 

[Chase the Ace]

Wannabe. If your looking for a group to come out and rant about this boards mods, then you are mistaken.

While neither fig or vegas are perfect, they do an admirable job when you consider the different personalities they have to deal with.

Vegas is overly optimistic, but i'll put that down to age. The humour i find in fig's posts usually has me laughing.

Its a tough job and something i could never be bothered with.

I suspect you honestly believe that and if you do that is fine. But I don't think you are able to speak for everyone, nor am I of course. I don't believe either of the current two mods do any sort of a job, it is merely "do it my way or you will be banned" that is no way to run a board that is supposed to be involved in discussion. Just take a look at the thread topics, it is as if they have puposely been started because they contain not deep or controversial points of discussion. With that comes ease of moderation and if anyone dares to be a little bit different they get an infraction point as has occured with the thread starter of this discussion. Now I ask you does that seem fair, someone starts a topic that a mod doesn't like and they cop a point for it based solely on the topic being upsetting to a mod because it questioned one of his mates. That is what this board has turned into.

 

[Jabso]

Ok chase what would you consider a controversial point to make a thread about?

 

[Chase the Ace]

Ok chase what would you consider a controversial point to make a thread about?

Thank you for asking jabso. Try these. 1 The ability to question decisions by moderators. 2. The ability to question posters sources. 3. The ability to suggest a post is trivial or childish. 4 The ability to go hard at posters who post lies. Those are just off the top of my head without even giving it a lot of thought. I will give it some serious thought and respond.

 

[FIGJAM]

1 The ability to question decisions by moderators.

You have that ability, it's just this is a Collingwood discussion forum and it's best to PM the moderator so as to not clog up the boards with an agenda / vendetta most people couldn't care less about.

2. The ability to question posters sources.

You are more than welcome to do this politely. Belittling posters for posting rumours is however against the rules that you agreed to when you signed up.

3. The ability to suggest a post is trivial or childish.

Why do you want to belittle people and propagate negativity through the board?

4 The ability to go hard at posters who post lies.

Who is posting lies? Rumours are to be taken at face value (which is two fifths of ******** all). Chinese whispers yields some funny results, purple monkey dishwasher, but we're here to discuss football and the Great Club, so why limit discussion and make people feel bad about themselves in the process. Indeed, why is it that you want to make people feel bad??

Eitherway, this is a Collingwood Discussion Forum. Discuss Collingwood and respect your fellow posters and you'll never have to complain about myself or vincent ever again. Simple really!

 

[morax]

"do it my way or you will be banned" that is no way to run a board that is supposed to be involved in discussion. Just take a look at the thread topics, it is as if they have puposely been started because they contain not deep or controversial points of discussion. With that comes ease of moderation and if anyone dares to be a little bit different they get an infraction point as has occured with the thread starter of this discussion. Now I ask you does that seem fair, someone starts a topic that a mod doesn't like and they cop a point for it based solely on the topic being upsetting to a mod because it questioned one of his mates. That is what this board has turned into.

Personally i have never witnessed anything that would indicate the mods on this board are guilty of this. The rest bf, well that's entirely different matter. Experiences on these board, however, differ from person to person.

I can remember the first time i encountered fred. I can be quite belligerent at times (my mother is german) and i'd be surprised if he undertook a similar tone with me in person. But i like this place, so sometimes you just have to accept this type of behaviour and move on.

Trying to moderate, with a view of some sort of utopia, is a dream however. I personally feel that as long as the a poster abides by the rules then anything else is fair game. Especially if posters a blatant trolls or posting outright lies to big note themselves.

Trade period is the best example of this.

I really don't give a toss about Wannabe and his issues with other site's. I do hope that you can find some peace on this board.

 

[bucksisbest]

Its bandwagoners like you as to why we get a bad name. We have done nothing wrong, have we?

Unless you have Aspergers , smarten the ******** up.
Your Tarkyn Lockyer comment which is not associated with my above comment , was an absolutely dire piece of analysis as well.

 

[sherminator]

Its bandwagoners like you as to why we get a bad name. We have done nothing wrong, have we?

We have got rid of the wasted talent. We didn't look at size at all, and that is a good thing. Would you want a dud on our list only because he has height, NO! So what have we done wrong.

We traded Tarrant is probably one thing, but we got a youngster who has the ability to be a top KPP and ruckman, and even better, an experienced forward who has had a great career. I don't think we have made any real mistakes in the National Draft.

We know what we want in the PSD, we just got to make sure we get it, so the planning is their.

We finished 7th last year when we were predicted to finish bottom 4 by 90% of people.

So all in all, what should we be ranting about...oh yeah, the scapegoats behind Clokey, I see!

Tarkyn Lockyer had probably the most under-rated season in the history of the club. People wanted him delisted. He was valuable for us, one of our best and most consistent players in the first half of the year. He got exposed by Jeff Farmer, big deal! Shane O'Bree was great again this year, but everyone has a go at him. He puts in 100% and he has success on the stats sheet. His role isn't to use the ball with 100% efficiency, it is to get the friggen ball out of the guts. Don't know what games people were watching, but he found the ball, got it out of the guts, and put in those 1%ers. Oh and Paul, not the best footballer going around at the moment, agreed, but he is two time Copeland Trophy winner who continues to do the same as he did in our successful years...find the ball consistently with ease, but be at 75% efficiency (the AFL average is what, 78% or something!)

It is so easy to find an easy way out by blaming the same guys every year. It doesn't matter if they play an awesome season, they continue to be stamped on. Last time I checked, it is a team sport!

That is correct. No, personally I reckon Collingwood did as best as they could. Very good post.

 

[Jabso]

Thank you for asking jabso. Try these. 1 The ability to question decisions by moderators. 2. The ability to question posters sources. 3. The ability to suggest a post is trivial or childish. 4 The ability to go hard at posters who post lies. Those are just off the top of my head without even giving it a lot of thought. I will give it some serious thought and respond.

I am always doing these 3 of these things. I always go hard at the poster who posts crap rumours without sources. Number 1 is crap, pm the mods if you have a problem.

You seem to be referring to a case of a pretty well known poster getting banned here. Well he wasn't only just doing those 4 things, things got a bit out of hand.

 

[Chase the Ace]

I am always doing these 3 of these things. I always go hard at the poster who posts crap rumours without sources. Number 1 is crap, pm the mods if you have a problem.

You seem to be referring to a case of a pretty well known poster getting banned here. Well he wasn't only just doing those 4 things, things got a bit out of hand.

Not just him, others as well. But in a sense and because I am close to him and with what happened to him, it made me look more closely at it. Up until then I was mainly just a reader not a poster. But when I saw how things could be twisted and lies told by those that had the power to do so I took a deeper interest. He actually doesn't care that much as he posts on several other Collingwood boards. The issue for me is how this board has been turned into a type of pre-school and that it was done so deliberately so as to exsert more control over what can be said. Its a bit like the Murdoch press, Rupert Murdoch doesn't have to issue orders everyone knows the line they must take. The same thing has happened here, posters now know they must follow the VV69 and Figjam line or they will be removed. They don't need to say it, as others have seen what can happen if posters don't follow that line. I notice there is a bit of a clique here, that there is an inner sanctum so to speak, these posters can say and do things that others can't, because they openly support the way the board has gone. Once again nothing needs to be said it is just accepted practice. I hope that explains in a little more detail what I am on about.

 

[Jabso]

Chase quite honestly that is pure BS. Take your imaginative conspiracy theories and assorted paradigm where it can be more constructive.

 

[Fred]

I can remember the first time i encountered fred. I can be quite belligerent at times (my mother is german) and i'd be surprised if he undertook a similar tone with me in person. But i like this place, so sometimes you just have to accept this type of behaviour and move on.

No recollection of that at all. It must have made an impression on you for you to still remember and the fact that your name hasn't come up since means it worked, whatever it was.

 

[Chase the Ace]

Chase quite honestly that is pure BS. Take your imaginative conspiracy theories and assorted paradigm where it can be more constructive.

See what I mean, anyone who dares to speak out against what is happening here is made a target. I put up an argument that was without abuse and is (I think) well constructed and raises important issue. You immediately attack for me personally for having that point of view. You have just extrapolated exactly the point I was making jabso. We are now no longer able to discuss issues which are seen as outside the scope of this dumbed down board.

 

[FIGJAM]

See what I mean, anyone who dares to speak out against what is happening here is made a target. I put up an argument that was without abuse and is (I think) well constructed and raises important issue. You immediately attack for me personally for having that point of view. You have just extrapolated exactly the point I was making jabso. We are now no longer able to discuss issues which are seen as outside the scope of this dumbed down board.

You will note that you have been able to post that which you consider to be controversial on here unimpeded by myself or any other moderator. That is because you are not directly abusing or belittling someone and are conducting yourself politely and remaining generally on topic (which isn't about Collingwood incidentally, but for the sake of some off-season venting we'll put up with it).

Indeed, the the "VV69 and Figjam line" is the BigFooty line you agreed to when you signed up. Part of that agreement was to respect and not abuse or belittle other posters, to not avoid the swear filter, to not post illicit material or links and to stay on topic. The only times mods do anything (and we do about 1/20th of the stuff people think we do) is if any of these common sense board rules have been contravened.

The board is not dumbed down. There is plenty of intelligent and heated discussion, especially during the season. We can have polar opposites in terms of opinions here, argued furiously, but always maintaining respect for each other. To ensure this continues means that the board is "smartened up" and not "dumbed down".

 

[Jabso]

I think the board will have been "dumbed down" when we end up just talking about moderators decisions.

 

[MarkT]

Murray/Chase the Ace,

I regularly disagree with many on here whether or not they are mods and many on here argue with my views (or is it vice versa). I have never been banned or even warned. You are smart enough to know that we don’t have to agree but nor should be abuse each other when we don’t. I saw the post that I presume was the issue at the time and I thought it was out of line. That probably means jack to you but such is life.

I can't see any point whinging about it. If you have that much issue with this place then why bother. Personally I think Murray had plenty to offer and my preference would be for him to apologise for the abusive post and for he and the mods to shake hands and move on.

It's really none of my business I guess but that never stopped me sticking my beak in before.

 

[morax]

Hi fred, look forward to your continued input on this board. Collingwood should be a part of everyone's life.

No recollection of that at all. It must have made an impression on you for you to still remember and the fact that your name hasn't come up since means it worked, whatever it was.

Yes you are right, it did indeed have the required impression. Having said that, I disagree in your people management style. We are all individuals, who should be treated on a individual basis. But your the boss and i will respect that.